NBA Season 2015/16

[Jay]

Suns ;D
Raptors >:(

[Jay]

Kawhi is a monster

[j959]

Suns ;D
Raptors >:(

Suns ... what, what?? What did I miss??  :P 

I've just been hoping they tank for a highly unlikely chance at no1 pick ... even though remote, don't think Simmons would be a good fit??  ???   ;)

[Jay]

Suns ;D
Raptors >:(

Suns ... what, what?? What did I miss??  :P 

I've just been hoping they tank for a highly unlikely chance at no1 pick ... even though remote, don't think Simmons would be a good fit??  ???   ;)

They won a game :P I'm still holding out hope that Brooklyn can finish with a worse record than them, giving Boston the third best lottery odds ;)

[RiOtChEsS]

Hinkie sold a hollow now to fans for the promise of a brighter future...

Hypothesize he did a good job all you like, meanwhile fans actually paid money for that sh!t and the future isnt exactly "brighter" :-X

[Mat0369]

I only have a couple of criticisms throughout the whole Hinkie era.

1. Being overly cheap with his rookie contracts and losing a kid like KJ for nothing because of it.

2. Not taking advantage of the cap space he had by signing guys to deals which make them assets. Eg Corey Joseph, Bismack Biyombo, Aminu, Ed Davis. Those guys weren't going to be good enough to mess up his lottery ball strategy and they are at least good players. He signs a couple of those guys and the team looks a little better, he can better evaluate his talent on the team by giving them a better supporting cast, and he increases the team's assets. Instead, he just punted the space and now it's going to be very difficult to sign a guy to a good contract with all the teams with cap space.

3. Not until Collangelo came along did they get a half decent point guard. He drafted 2 active centres, but gave them no point guard to run the offense and get the ball to them in good spots. How can you evaluate the talent of big men when you're putting them in such a bad situation for them.

Those aren't huge criticisms and I think Hinkie did a fantastic job. He turned a team of Jrue Holliday, Evan Turner and Andrew Bynum into Noel, Saric, Embiid, Okafor, the highest ever chance at the number 1 pick this year, the Lakers pick, future kings picks, and a heap of cap space. His process was an intelligent one, and if the lottery balls had bounced differently they'd be sitting there with Karl Towns and Hinkie would look like a genius.

The only real mistake he made was not re-signing Ish which he admitted at the time. He put his eggs in the basket of waiting for Marshall and Wroten to get healthy and run the point while going with a rookie and an undersized shooting guard in the meantime. Wroten was cut and wasn't signed for a long time, Marshall is blah which was expected, Canaan is pretty bad and McConnell is more of your bench role player. It basically stunted the growth of two rookie bigs as there was no leadership or floor spacing while Canaan jacked up bad shots time after time. Ish isn't a world beater, but he had chemistry with Nerlens and helped lead the offense Brown wanted. It wasn't a coincidence they improved the second he came onto the team. Regardless of Jerry Colangelo they were probably going to bring Smith back.

Hinkie has done a really good job of getting maximum value out of his assets and building a solid core for them to build around. Bringing in Colangelo Jr. is a big mistake and the impatience of this ownership is basically going to end up with the team heading back into NBA purgatory overpaying guys to get them 30 more wins a year. I don't even understand how someone can agree to this plan and then bail so quickly, especially given the circumstances.  If you are smart enough to understand what Hinkie was doing, how in the hell can you be so stupid to bail now and replace him with exactly the type of disaster that plagued this team for the previous decade? I know Colangelo Sr was basically forced on the ownership by the league, but the move alienated Hinkie and bringing in his son pushed him over the edge. Apparently he is also the one that leaked the 13 page resignation letter to the media. If they succeed it won't be because he stood down, but despite the fact he did.

Also Jay the reason he didn't use the cap space is because he wanted to be an attractive dumping ground for bad contracts to collect assets like they did with Jafail and Turiaf last year. Next year is the time they would look at adding free agents, it probably would have been after the last draft but they had to grab Okafor who was BPA so they couldn't start filling out the roster yet since all their potential stars are in the same position.  I think he's always been open to signing a superstar or a free agent that could be part of the core going forward, he just wouldn't shell out ridiculous contracts to mid-level guys that catapult the Sixers to mediocrity, but no further.  If the next phase is signing guys like that, guys like Dion Waiters, then I doubt he'd be on board with that.

Hinkie's smart enough to know the tanking can't continue indefinitely, but the "next phase" should be allowing the young guys to grow together, and swinging for the fences with a superstar signing should someone like that want to sign with Philly.  It shouldn't be spending the cap space on over-priced, middle of the road guys. Jimmy Butler would have been the ideal target but I don't think he was ever leaving the Bulls.

The team was farked after the Bynum trade, Jrue had stress fractures in his legs which they never made public, but he was the only player with currency. Hinkie did an amazing job for clearing the picks Philly owes while getting maximum value for guys that were never going to be able to take the team to the next level. He cut the dead weight, managed to turn Jrue into Noel, turn MCW into the Lakers first round pick, drafted Embiid, Saric, Jah and Grant, has some good role players on cheap contracts like RoCo, Homes, TJ and Thompson, has an arsenal of picks including the Lakers first, the Heats first, the Thunders first (2 of those 3 will convert at the minimum) a pick swap with the Kings and a future first from a team that has been notoriously poor. Anyone that had an idea in Philly was 100% behind him and knew that he was behind where he expected to be after getting pick 3 in a 3 player draft twice in a row.

On a side note, Jojo has returned from Qatar where he has been rehabbing and is participating in full scrimmages for the first time that he has been in Philly. They might have finally got their superstar if there are no more setbacks. Add in a top 2 pick and they probably get superstar number two meaning the plan was a success.

[RiOtChEsS]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20160407_For_Sixers__it_s_the_end_of_Sam_Hinkie_error.html?viewGallery=y

"47 wins and 195 losses. That's the legacy now-resigned general manager Sam Hinkie leaves after nearly 3 seasons with the Sixers. People will call him a genius and an innovator, but at the end of the day there was never actually any plan besides tanking for picks."

[Jay]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20160407_For_Sixers__it_s_the_end_of_Sam_Hinkie_error.html?viewGallery=y

"47 wins and 195 losses. That's the legacy now-resigned general manager Sam Hinkie leaves after nearly 3 seasons with the Sixers. People will call him a genius and an innovator, but at the end of the day there was never actually any plan besides tanking for picks."

And it would have worked if they had just continued on the same path and not lost their patience after a relatively short time..

[Mat0369]

And that is unfortunately the circumstance in the NBA. You can't win a championship in the league without a superstar, to get a superstar when you're crap you have to go through the draft because they aren't going to sign with you in FA. To get one in the draft you need early picks, to get early picks you need the best odds to win the lottery. Superstars then attract superstars. You also don't give max contracts to mediocre players or you end up like the Pelicans.

[Holz]

And that is unfortunately the circumstance in the NBA. You can't win a championship in the league without a superstar, to get a superstar when you're crap you have to go through the draft because they aren't going to sign with you in FA. To get one in the draft you need early picks, to get early picks you need the best odds to win the lottery. Superstars then attract superstars. You also don't give max contracts to mediocre players or you end up like the Pelicans.

Exactly free agents will/shpuld come if they land simmons or landed towns.

Wolves are pretty much the sixers wirh good lotery

[RiOtChEsS]

Philadelphia will never, ever land a top tier free agent, ever :-X

NBA rookie contracts are 2 years with a 3rd year option, they wont have a winning record in the next 3 years ainec

Okafor will be out the door the minute his contract is up, Noel and Embiid may stay but how much will they play?

They have created this perpetual losing culture and will suffer with it long after they decide they now want to win

[Jay]

Shoot out going on in Atlanta, battling for the 3 seed. Celtics D not as disruptive as usual but getting good looks on offense.

Not without the usual horrendous charge call though..

[Jay]

Millsap is killing us..

[RiOtChEsS]

Shoot out going on in Atlanta, battling for the 3 seed. Celtics D not as disruptive as usual but getting good looks on offense.

Not without the usual horrendous charge call though..

hoping to tie it up tomorrow, what is the tie breaker i wonder...

[Jay]

Shoot out going on in Atlanta, battling for the 3 seed. Celtics D not as disruptive as usual but getting good looks on offense.

Not without the usual horrendous charge call though..

hoping to tie it up tomorrow, what is the tie breaker i wonder...

I tried to work out the 4-team tiebreaker between Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, Boston. Didn't get very far :P