NBA Season 2015/16

[Jay]

This is one of the games of the year

[Holz]

Sixers really need to move on Noel,

surely you could get quite abit for a rim protector.

with him out and Okafor the paint all to himself has put up 26 points 10 rebounds 5 assits 2 blocks with 5 minutes to go against demarcus cousins.

apparently have offers for both guys but they are waiting on the health of embiid.

They are more likely to move Jah if Embiid gets healthy. Noel since the arrival of Ish smith leads the league in FG%, is active on the defensive side of the ball with blocks and steals and is actually a decent passer for a big guy. Jah is a better post up player and his moves are insane in the law post for a rookie, but Embiid is a similar player with better range. They argue that Jojo is the 6'ers best 3pt shooter but he hasn't been on the court yet, this means he can probably play that stretch 4 because teams have to respect his outside shooting ability and it allows Noel to play the 5. Again, this all depends on the health of Embiid, if he can't get healthy they keep both and figure out a way to make it work with a 3 man rotation involving Saric.

potentially true im a huge Okafor fan and would like to see him the focal point of the team, if it wasnt for this off field stuff then people should be all over him. Teams should make a big play for okafor, i just think okafor is more talented then noel so if you only have one then you build around okafor. Getting all 3 was a mistake but they kind of had to with Okafor and Embiid both slipping when they were number 1 or two players.

they certainly have alot of pieces and if can pull off some good trades then could move up quickly.

really would like to see okafor thrive in a team built around him, really can see him as a franchise player. Noel is a very very good role player but not a franchise guy in my books.

[Holz]

But Draymond on offence > Kyrie on defence

So taking your assumption that Kyrie is a top 5 offensive player and Draymond is at worst a top 5 defensive player then overall they are very verrrryyyy close in terms of value.

this was the call from Jay

Draymond is far superior to both Irving

that is ridiculous irving kills green on offense, the call was made they are similar on offense which i completely disagree with. This season as a player green is above irving.

Kyrie needs to get fit and he will overtake him though.

Remeber Green is young being 25 but Kyrie is only 23 and has 1 year more experience in the NBA. 

[Jay]

But Draymond on offence > Kyrie on defence

So taking your assumption that Kyrie is a top 5 offensive player and Draymond is at worst a top 5 defensive player then overall they are very verrrryyyy close in terms of value.

this was the call from Jay

Draymond is far superior to both Irving

that is ridiculous irving kills green on offense, the call was made they are similar on offense which i completely disagree with. This season as a player green is above irving.

Kyrie needs to get fit and he will overtake him though.

Remeber Green is young being 25 but Kyrie is only 23 and has 1 year more experience in the NBA.

My call was that they are close to even on offense, maybe slightly in favour of Kyrie, but then Draymond kills him on defense - hence why he is far more valuable. As Riot brought up.. I'm not sure the skills Irving has, contribute as much to a successful offense anymore. Ball stopping iso ball isn't going to win championships.

Draymond has proven he can be the 2nd best player on a championship team, and one that is about to be 48-4. Your turn Kyrie.

[Jay]

So that's wins over the Clippers, and Cavs for Boston heading into the all-star break

[Holz]

Draymond has proven he can be the 2nd best player on a championship team, and one that is about to be 48-4. Your turn Kyrie.

not really last year I think lots of people would argue that Klay was the number 2. He certainly was on the offensive side of the ball.

when it came to that series Iggy Curry were number 1 and 2.

in the one game Irving played through injury in the series by the way he went 23 points 6 assits and 1 turn over

by the way went 4 steals 2 blocks  not bad for a man with no D

all i need is kyrie to stay fit. Crossing my fingers for that. then he can let his game do the talking.

got another clip for people to watch. from game 1 of the finals last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilv4dt54_Fw

[plumdog millionaire]

So what's the conclusion in the end? Kinda gets lost in the discussion

[Jay]

So what's the conclusion in the end? Kinda gets lost in the discussion

That the Warriors, mainly because of Steph, followed by Draymond - two elite, and impossible to replicate players - are one of the best teams of the modern era.

[plumdog millionaire]

Holz?

[Mat0369]

potentially true im a huge Okafor fan and would like to see him the focal point of the team, if it wasnt for this off field stuff then people should be all over him. Teams should make a big play for okafor, i just think okafor is more talented then noel so if you only have one then you build around okafor. Getting all 3 was a mistake but they kind of had to with Okafor and Embiid both slipping when they were number 1 or two players.

they certainly have alot of pieces and if can pull off some good trades then could move up quickly.

really would like to see okafor thrive in a team built around him, really can see him as a franchise player. Noel is a very very good role player but not a franchise guy in my books.

The Lakers should look at releasing the protection on their pick and making Philly an offer. They have a 19.9% chance at pick 1 and 18.1% chance of pick 2 giving them a 38% chance of a top 2 pick. After Simmons and Ingram there isn't a clear cut third guy and Okafor is likely better then all of them. There is also a 44.2% chance they have to give up the pick entirely because it lands outside the top 3 meaning it goes to Philly anyway. So maybe something like Okafor, Covington, Miami pick for Lakers unprotected pick and Jordan Clarkson.

As it stood earlier today with the Kings in the #9 slot, it added 3.7% to Philly's 46.5% chance of a top 2 pick. So they actually currently have a 50.2% chance. If Kings drop to say, 6th, that could increase to 59.9%. If they also received the Lakers unprotected pick, they gain another 38% chance of a top 2 pick giving them 88.2% chance of getting one of Simmons or Ingram.

Basically it means that the Lakers can develop a young core of Okafor, Russell, Randle, Nance Jr and RoCo, still have a first round pick that would give them a shot at someone like Trimble and they have money to bring in two max contract guys apparently.

Meanwhile in Philly they should see two of Simmons/Ingram/Brown/Dunn/Hield depending where the picks land, Saric comes over, Embiid should finally be healthy, they will have another late round first and it will be interesting to see what happens from there.

It makes sense for both teams looking at the percentages of where the picks will land, but there will be sticking points for both teams in regards to who and what should be involved in the deal.

[jvalles69]

So what's the conclusion in the end? Kinda gets lost in the discussion

That the Warriors, mainly because of Steph, followed by Draymond - two elite, and impossible to replicate players - are one of the best teams of the modern era.

Lebron described it the best, "the most healthy team in NBA history".

Remember when Steph had glass ankles and people thought he was going to be a bust?  Times change and he's proved that wrong.  1 big injury to on of their big 3 and they struggle.  You can't call a team one of the best teams of the modern era off 2 great seasons!  That means you're putting them up their with the Spurs, Boston and even Miami, and I don't think they qualify in that group just yet.

[Jay]

So what's the conclusion in the end? Kinda gets lost in the discussion

That the Warriors, mainly because of Steph, followed by Draymond - two elite, and impossible to replicate players - are one of the best teams of the modern era.

Lebron described it the best, "the most healthy team in NBA history".

Remember when Steph had glass ankles and people thought he was going to be a bust?  Times change and he's proved that wrong.  1 big injury to on of their big 3 and they struggle.  You can't call a team one of the best teams of the modern era off 2 great seasons!  That means you're putting them up their with the Spurs, Boston and even Miami, and I don't think they qualify in that group just yet.

Dude, they're going to break the best record of all-time...

[jvalles69]

So what's the conclusion in the end? Kinda gets lost in the discussion

That the Warriors, mainly because of Steph, followed by Draymond - two elite, and impossible to replicate players - are one of the best teams of the modern era.

Lebron described it the best, "the most healthy team in NBA history".

Remember when Steph had glass ankles and people thought he was going to be a bust?  Times change and he's proved that wrong.  1 big injury to on of their big 3 and they struggle.  You can't call a team one of the best teams of the modern era off 2 great seasons!  That means you're putting them up their with the Spurs, Boston and even Miami, and I don't think they qualify in that group just yet.

Dude, they're going to break the best record of all-time...

Once again I don't care!  They are not playing the same calibre of teams that the Bulls played in the 90's, players are whining doges these days who get their coaches sacked and have to "rest" so often they may aswell reduce the number of games played during regular season to get some higher quality out of the players!  1 injury and they fall well short of that record...

[jvalles69]

Also..I don't dislike of hate GSW, and I actually marvel at how ridiculous a shooter Steph Curry is not to mention the handles on the kid, but...people are losing their minds over this team which I think is slightly premature, when they win back to back then I think we can start considering them.  I hope Cleveland, Clippers, OKC and Spurs are at full strenght this post season and we get to see some amazing 7 game series, Warriors knock off at least 2 of those fully healthy teams then I'm on board.

[Mat0369]

Once again I don't care!  They are not playing the same calibre of teams that the Bulls played in the 90's, players are whining doges these days who get their coaches sacked and have to "rest" so often they may aswell reduce the number of games played during regular season to get some higher quality out of the players!  1 injury and they fall well short of that record...

It's not just wins and losses though, they are putting up numbers that are unheard of as a team. They were a top 10 team historically last year on numbers and are backing it up with an even better season. People keep doubting them yet they are consistently performing to a level that no other team has in the history of the game.

Oddly enough, the Spurs and Warriors this year are 1 and 2 all time in point differential. Creating a list of 10, out of the 8 other teams on that list, all but 1 won the championship, the team that didn't (Bucks), lost to another team on that list.