NBA Season 2015/16

[RiOtChEsS]

All star weekend coming up too, check out these lineups!  :o

Skills challenge: Beverly, Cousns, Dray Green, AD, McCollum, Anthony-Towns, Thomas, Clarkson (this should be a riot with the bigs in there).  My tip is IT.

3pt shootout: Curry, Harden, Thompson, Middleton, Lowry, Redick, Bosh, Booker (Bosh LOL)  Curry should take this one out, biggest threat is his splash brother, Redick as a dark horse.

Dunk comp: Lavine, Barton, Gordon and Drummond (I'm least excited for this one)

Bosh has a very long stroke, not sure he will get all the balls off... so many double entendre's :D

[valkorum]

I hope they separate the bigs and smalls in the skills challenge

Bigs on one side of the bracket
Smalls on the other side of the bracket.

Best big vs best small for the final.  That would be awesome.  If this is how its done then I predict Cousins v IT

How awesome would it be if Bosh wins the 3pt shootout.  But I think it will be Curry again - back to back

Dunk contest - I hope Zac LaVine has something different this year, all his dunks were the same last year (through the legs or behind the back).  That being said, after last year he did say he had other stuff in the kit bag.  LaVine to win again.

West to win the All star game

[Rusty00]

I have a free bet to use on the NBA. As I don't follow the NBA too closely, is their any value bets coming up that people here could recommend ;)

[Jay]

I have a free bet to use on the NBA. As I don't follow the NBA too closely, is their any value bets coming up that people here could recommend ;)

Maybe look at something for All-Star weekend, which is only days away. Something like Steph to win the 3pt contest at $2.70 seems like good value.

[Jay]

 

I think assuming Curry just stopped playing today, 23rd might actually be too low for him. Being by far the best player on an all-time great team is a huge deal. I'd have him in the 17-21 range to be honest, but can understand that some would value longevity much higher.

surely your not serious on both statements there are soo many players with much much better careers at this point. I also dont but the all time great team thing they better take the title easy if people are talking like that.

this is abit of an insult to the all time greats.

Just below Kevin Garnett at 21 do you agree with that Jay. Your second greatest PF of all time is barely better then curry in his early stages of his career.

these players based on careers are lower

Isiah Thomas - 2 time champion only players to have more 20-10 assit games is Oscar and Magic
Dwayne Wade: not a wade fan but a 3 time champion a finals mvp going 34.7 PPG and 7.8 RPG
John Havlichek this one is disrepectfull, 8 time champion 2 time finals mvp 8 time defensive team of the year.
George Milkan
Bob Petit
Bob Cousy: 2 time MVP 6 championships

Curry is doing everything he can to work his way up the list but he isnt close to 23 yet.

As it stands he is a 1 time MVP, but almost a lock to go back to back. This is really good. He has 1 Championship which alot of people have put an asterix on with the competition falling down.

By the way in that Championship Series he went 26 points 6.3 Assits 5.2 Rebounds on 44% shooting and 38.5% 3 point shooting.

His playoff resume is very very weak with that questionable title and wasnt even the best player on the team in the series that was Iggy.

let him do something in the playoffs then come back to me about this list. Wade Thomas John George and the Bobs and many others should feel totally disrespected.

He shouldn't be above Kevin yet, I agree on that. Garnett had insane prime years and has the longevity edge over Curry at the moment obviously.

I think it's fair enough that Curry is ranked over IT. Isiah although being the focal point of those Pistons teams, it's not close to what Steph is doing. Steph single handedly takes a pretty good team, to an all-time dominant team. I don't think Isiah did that. I think Havlicek is in a similar boat. Great player but isn't the reason for dominance like Curry is.

Wade is a tough one, had an amazing prime but it was short-lived and hard to gauge how good he really was when he was playing with one of the best ever. And his injury issues haven't really been able to let us see what he still had left the past few seasons.

Mikan, Petit and Cousy are from a completely different era so are hard to evaluate, but I don't think any of them were ever the best player in the world at any point - which Steph is at the moment.

I cannot at all see how last year's championship has an asterisk. They were the best team all season and only lost 5 games in the playoffs en route to winning the championship fairly comfortably. Steph had a 24.5 PER in the playoffs, which granted is not as good as his usual output but he was still the Warriors best player overall in the playoffs (highest PER, Win Shares), so can't say he didn't perform. Fair enough, Iggy was awesome in the playoffs, but I don't necessarily take anything away from Steph for that - just Steph being on the court allows guys like Iggy to be successful offensively.

I'm looking forward to seeing Steph this post-season - it seems like that will be a major factor in determining how he stacks up.

[RiOtChEsS]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-york-knicks-fire-head-155757170.html

obviously got their eye on someone...

[Jay]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-york-knicks-fire-head-155757170.html

obviously got their eye on someone...

And just as I thought the Knicks were becoming less dysfucntional.. They'll never change with Dolan in charge.

[Holz]

I think it's fair enough that Curry is ranked over IT. Isiah although being the focal point of those Pistons teams, it's not close to what Steph is doing. Steph single handedly takes a pretty good team, to an all-time dominant team. I don't think Isiah did that. I think Havlicek is in a similar boat. Great player but isn't the reason for dominance like Curry is.

Ill address this one first, will be interesting to see what you come back with.

Isiah Thomas has two rings

his first when he had to beat James Worthy, Kareem and Magic in the finals in the year Magic was the league MVP and not only did that but did that in a sweep. Dumars did get the mvp but Isiah was probably the second best player on team comfortably much like steph was this year.

the difference Warriors 4-2 against 1 of the big 3. Pistons 4-0 against showtime

Ill also remind you that they had to take out a young Michael Jordan who was in his 5th year of his career so no rookie.

his second ring he had to come up against Michael Jordan in his 6th year as they made a big push and took them out in a 7 game series. This was with pippen and right before they three peated so they were close to elite.

his second ring he came up against clyde drexter who had knocked out a primed David Robinson on the way to the finals. they won 4-1 and Isiah picked up the Finals MVP

im sorry but 2 rings taking out the likes of Jordan, Pippen just before they three peated, taking out showtime lakers with worthy kareem and magic and then a finals MVP against clyde drexler and his squad.

Is far far more impressive then being the second best player in a finals team who took out a team with their second and third best players gone taking 6 games to do it. i dont care that they played Lebron nobody alone can do it, Jordan with Pippen couldnt even beat the pistons.

I should also add they waltzed into the finals on the back of playing teams with no PGs their floor admirals.

Im sorry but Stephs regualr season record is great 2 MVPs 1 scoring title, best 3 point shooting season ever.

his playoff resume is nothing, to me its not even close to top 100 of all time.

He can change that this year with a finals MVP and some wins against the spurs/thunder/cavs (hopefully fit)  but for now he has shown me nothing.

putting him ahead of Thomas is disrespectful at this point.


here is a question.

I propose you this.

Warriors v Cavs last year.

Irving Love fully fit and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green dont play.

how do you have that game playing out?

[plumdog millionaire]

here is a question.

I propose you this.

Warriors v Cavs last year.

Irving Love fully fit and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green dont play.

how do you have that game playing out?

Think you answered it yourself

nobody alone can do it

Works both ways, if that were the case then you should be saying Cavs beat three east teams that were worse than the top 5 seeds in the west and then beat a team missing two of their best players. WAY bigger asterisk than the opposite. There's not really any point to the exercise

[Holz]

here is a question.

I propose you this.

Warriors v Cavs last year.

Irving Love fully fit and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green dont play.

how do you have that game playing out?

Think you answered it yourself

nobody alone can do it

Works both ways, if that were the case then you should be saying Cavs beat three east teams that were worse than the top 5 seeds in the west and then beat a team missing two of their best players. WAY bigger asterisk than the opposite. There's not really any point to the exercise

Yes it would have been an asterix, but that didnt happen.

Curry has just been called a top 25 of all time ahead of isiah Thomas who beat Showtime and has a finals MVP against drexler.

Lebron has only 2 rings but it was against a young but star team in Durrant Westbrook Ibaka and a young Harden. The difference is Lebron almost beat this legondary Warriors team alone and was the real finals MVP last year.

[plumdog millionaire]

asterix

This guy?

[jvalles69]

here is a question.

I propose you this.

Warriors v Cavs last year.

Irving Love fully fit and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green dont play.

how do you have that game playing out?

Think you answered it yourself

nobody alone can do it

Works both ways, if that were the case then you should be saying Cavs beat three east teams that were worse than the top 5 seeds in the west and then beat a team missing two of their best players. WAY bigger asterisk than the opposite. There's not really any point to the exercise

Yes it would have been an asterix, but that didnt happen.

Curry has just been called a top 25 of all time ahead of isiah Thomas who beat Showtime and has a finals MVP against drexler.

Lebron has only 2 rings but it was against a young but star team in Durrant Westbrook Ibaka and a young Harden. The difference is Lebron almost beat this legondary Warriors team alone and was the real finals MVP last year.

I've got your back Holz, I completely agree.  The competition and toughness today don't even compare one iota to that of the late 80's and early to mid 90's.

[Holz]

here is a question.

I propose you this.

Warriors v Cavs last year.

Irving Love fully fit and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green dont play.

how do you have that game playing out?

Think you answered it yourself

nobody alone can do it

Works both ways, if that were the case then you should be saying Cavs beat three east teams that were worse than the top 5 seeds in the west and then beat a team missing two of their best players. WAY bigger asterisk than the opposite. There's not really any point to the exercise

Yes it would have been an asterix, but that didnt happen.

Curry has just been called a top 25 of all time ahead of isiah Thomas who beat Showtime and has a finals MVP against drexler.

Lebron has only 2 rings but it was against a young but star team in Durrant Westbrook Ibaka and a young Harden. The difference is Lebron almost beat this legondary Warriors team alone and was the real finals MVP last year.

I've got your back Holz, I completely agree.  The competition and toughness today don't even compare one iota to that of the late 80's and early to mid 90's.

its a true to an extent.

but if you make your way through Spurs Thunder Cavs to take out a title then you get my respect.

Aldridge Leonard with the old legends is pretty tough
the pure talent of Durrant Westbrook combo
one of the greatest ever in Lebron with Irving as a legit all star

still in whole winning back in those days was tougher and what Thomas did taking out 3/10 greatest players of all time with a full team support is amazing.

[jvalles69]

here is a question.

I propose you this.

Warriors v Cavs last year.

Irving Love fully fit and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green dont play.

how do you have that game playing out?

Think you answered it yourself

nobody alone can do it

Works both ways, if that were the case then you should be saying Cavs beat three east teams that were worse than the top 5 seeds in the west and then beat a team missing two of their best players. WAY bigger asterisk than the opposite. There's not really any point to the exercise

Yes it would have been an asterix, but that didnt happen.

Curry has just been called a top 25 of all time ahead of isiah Thomas who beat Showtime and has a finals MVP against drexler.

Lebron has only 2 rings but it was against a young but star team in Durrant Westbrook Ibaka and a young Harden. The difference is Lebron almost beat this legondary Warriors team alone and was the real finals MVP last year.

I've got your back Holz, I completely agree.  The competition and toughness today don't even compare one iota to that of the late 80's and early to mid 90's.

its a true to an extent.

but if you make your way through Spurs Thunder Cavs to take out a title then you get my respect.

Aldridge Leonard with the old legends is pretty tough
the pure talent of Durrant Westbrook combo
one of the greatest ever in Lebron with Irving as a legit all star

still in whole winning back in those days was tougher and what Thomas did taking out 3/10 greatest players of all time with a full team support is amazing.

Players didn't also sit out games to "rest", and they didn't get shutdown if they coudn't make finals.  Give me a comp with the following lineups over todays any day:

Utah - Malone & Stockton
Houston - Hakeem
Orlando - Shaq & Penny
Bulls - MJ & Pippen
Phoenix - Barkley
Lakers - Magic & Kareem
Seattle - Kemp & Payton
Charlotte - LJ & Mourning
NY - Ewing & Starks
Indiana - Reggie

comparable teams today

OKC - Durant & Westbrook
GSW - Curry
Spurs - Duncan, Aldridge & Kawhi

[valkorum]

Rumours flying everywhere that George Karl wont be the Kings coach past the All Star Weekend.


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240718/Kings-Intend-To-Fire-George-Karl-Before-All-Star-Break

http://fansided.com/2016/02/08/report-sacramento-kings-plan-fire-head-coach-george-karl-coming-days/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Around%20the%20Network

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/rewind-spiraling-kings-show-little-interest-cleveland

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2016/2/8/10947386/the-sacramento-kings-will-fire-george-karl-before-the-all-star-break