NBA Season 2015/16

[Holz]

Spurs deserve to be favourite in the west.

Then warriors clippers thunder

The Spurs might end up being the best team but starting as favourites seems bizarre to me. Yes they got Aldridge, but Splitter was a great fit for that team, and they've lost him plus some of their depth pieces. They're relying on Tony Parker being the Tony Parker he was 2 years ago, which I'm just not sure he can do anymore. Manu Ginobilli is one of my favourite all-time players, but how much does he have left.

My main concern with the Clippers is, 'who defends KD, LeBron, Kawhi etc'.. Paul Pierce is an upgrade over Barnes, but he's not someone who can defend the elite guys anymore. Redick can't do it, CP3 is too short.

Thunder have 2 top 10 players and another elite player in Ibaka. But who else? Waiters is awful, Kanter is alright but playing him with Westbrook and Durant makes no sense because there isn't any shots for him. But you have to play him with Ibaka to cover up his defensive mistakes.

These teams should all be elite, but they have flaws which we just haven't seen from GSW yet.

just got to wait my time. when the warriors get eliminated, just remember i wont be "shocked" like everyone else.

Clippers Thunder Spurs health I had them higher then the warriors come playoff last year.

Clippers Spurs got stronger.

Thunder just need to get healthy. Got 2 players better then anyone on the Warriors. Ibaka is very good aswell. Waiters and Kanter do not suck.

Warriors do have weaknesses you just need to be healthy to exploit them.

You dont think a 100% irving and love would have made a difference?

they were 2-1 up without them.

nobody on the warriors can guard Lebron unless tripple teamed. Try doing that with Irving and Love on the floor. Lebron on his own almost beat the warriors.

[Jay]

Spurs deserve to be favourite in the west.

Then warriors clippers thunder

The Spurs might end up being the best team but starting as favourites seems bizarre to me. Yes they got Aldridge, but Splitter was a great fit for that team, and they've lost him plus some of their depth pieces. They're relying on Tony Parker being the Tony Parker he was 2 years ago, which I'm just not sure he can do anymore. Manu Ginobilli is one of my favourite all-time players, but how much does he have left.

My main concern with the Clippers is, 'who defends KD, LeBron, Kawhi etc'.. Paul Pierce is an upgrade over Barnes, but he's not someone who can defend the elite guys anymore. Redick can't do it, CP3 is too short.

Thunder have 2 top 10 players and another elite player in Ibaka. But who else? Waiters is awful, Kanter is alright but playing him with Westbrook and Durant makes no sense because there isn't any shots for him. But you have to play him with Ibaka to cover up his defensive mistakes.

These teams should all be elite, but they have flaws which we just haven't seen from GSW yet.

just got to wait my time. when the warriors get eliminated, just remember i wont be "shocked" like everyone else.

Clippers Thunder Spurs health I had them higher then the warriors come playoff last year.

Clippers Spurs got stronger.

Thunder just need to get healthy. Got 2 players better then anyone on the Warriors. Ibaka is very good aswell. Waiters and Kanter do not suck.

Warriors do have weaknesses you just need to be healthy to exploit them.

You dont think a 100% irving and love would have made a difference?

they were 2-1 up without them.

nobody on the warriors can guard Lebron unless tripple teamed. Try doing that with Irving and Love on the floor. Lebron on his own almost beat the warriors.

I don't think a 100% Irving and Love would have made a difference at all. When Irving and Love went out, Delly and TT came in and so did the elite defense. This is what slowed the Warriors up in the first few games - elite defense, slow the pace, and let LBJ control the game. With Irving and Love in there, they couldn't have executed that - would have just been a shoot out with the Warriors, and that's not something that will work. LeBron was great but you can only do so much and that showed in the last few games.

The Warriors might end up losing, I certainly think it will be a much harder road to the finals than last year. I just think they are a border-line all time great team of the modern era (e.g. 2014 Spurs, 2012 Heat, 2008 Celtics etc) whereas you think they are just a really good team. I guess we could find out this year, I really hope everyone is healthy as the west playoffs will be excellent.

[Holz]

I dont think they are a really good team. I think they are a good team that is elite in the regular season. When it comes to playoffs to me they are an above average playoff team in the west just.

all time great of the modern era is just ridiculous.

you know i really really dont like the 08 celtics but they would just embarass the Warriors.

Irving Love are far far better then guys like delly. Even if what you said was true (it isnt) they would still have gave lebron a rest. He ran out of gas, he cant beat a whole team even if it is the celtics.

look at Spurs series v warriors. Lebron had much more help in Miami in the finals and got destroyed. The cavs were one shot away from going 3-0 and from there they close.

yes the spurs are two years older from that team. But Kawahi is 2 years older and Aldridge a big ad.

I dont see warriors having anyone to stop Aldridge or Kawahi. Whearas Kawahi will do a great job of slowing down Klay or Steph.

[Jay]

I dont think they are a really good team. I think they are a good team that is elite in the regular season. When it comes to playoffs to me they are an above average playoff team in the west just.

all time great of the modern era is just ridiculous.

you know i really really dont like the 08 celtics but they would just embarass the Warriors.

Irving Love are far far better then guys like delly. Even if what you said was true (it isnt) they would still have gave lebron a rest. He ran out of gas, he cant beat a whole team even if it is the celtics.

look at Spurs series v warriors. Lebron had much more help in Miami in the finals and got destroyed. The cavs were one shot away from going 3-0 and from there they close.

yes the spurs are two years older from that team. But Kawahi is 2 years older and Aldridge a big ad.

I dont see warriors having anyone to stop Aldridge or Kawahi. Whearas Kawahi will do a great job of slowing down Klay or Steph.

Remember they swept Anthony Davis, then knocked off Memphis, Houston and LeBron with none of the series' going to 7 games. They were still really good in the playoffs.

I agree that the 08 Celtics would beat the Warriors, and so would the 14 Spurs for that matter. But they're in the conversation.

[Holz]

I dont think they are a really good team. I think they are a good team that is elite in the regular season. When it comes to playoffs to me they are an above average playoff team in the west just.

all time great of the modern era is just ridiculous.

you know i really really dont like the 08 celtics but they would just embarass the Warriors.

Irving Love are far far better then guys like delly. Even if what you said was true (it isnt) they would still have gave lebron a rest. He ran out of gas, he cant beat a whole team even if it is the celtics.

look at Spurs series v warriors. Lebron had much more help in Miami in the finals and got destroyed. The cavs were one shot away from going 3-0 and from there they close.

yes the spurs are two years older from that team. But Kawahi is 2 years older and Aldridge a big ad.

I dont see warriors having anyone to stop Aldridge or Kawahi. Whearas Kawahi will do a great job of slowing down Klay or Steph.

Remember they swept Anthony Davis, then knocked off Memphis, Houston and LeBron with none of the series' going to 7 games. They were still really good in the playoffs.

I agree that the 08 Celtics would beat the Warriors, and so would the 14 Spurs for that matter. But they're in the conversation.

they beat Anthony Davis in his first ever playoff games with little to no help. Thats nothing.

they edged out the grizzlies in a 6 game series with Colney injured

the beat Houston who were fully healthy but dont rate them despite them knocking out Clippers with a crippled Paul (they chocked anyway)



they arent in that conversation. I put them in the conversation of the worst championship team of the last 10 years.

it would be Warriors 15 v Mavs 11in my books.

since 2000 the Lakers Spurs Celtics Pistons I have better even Miami 06 with Wade Shaq

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[Jay]

I dont think they are a really good team. I think they are a good team that is elite in the regular season. When it comes to playoffs to me they are an above average playoff team in the west just.

all time great of the modern era is just ridiculous.

you know i really really dont like the 08 celtics but they would just embarass the Warriors.

Irving Love are far far better then guys like delly. Even if what you said was true (it isnt) they would still have gave lebron a rest. He ran out of gas, he cant beat a whole team even if it is the celtics.

look at Spurs series v warriors. Lebron had much more help in Miami in the finals and got destroyed. The cavs were one shot away from going 3-0 and from there they close.

yes the spurs are two years older from that team. But Kawahi is 2 years older and Aldridge a big ad.

I dont see warriors having anyone to stop Aldridge or Kawahi. Whearas Kawahi will do a great job of slowing down Klay or Steph.

Remember they swept Anthony Davis, then knocked off Memphis, Houston and LeBron with none of the series' going to 7 games. They were still really good in the playoffs.

I agree that the 08 Celtics would beat the Warriors, and so would the 14 Spurs for that matter. But they're in the conversation.

they beat Anthony Davis in his first ever playoff games with little to no help. Thats nothing.

they edged out the grizzlies in a 6 game series with Colney injured

the beat Houston who were fully healthy but dont rate them despite them knocking out Clippers with a crippled Paul (they chocked anyway)



they arent in that conversation. I put them in the conversation of the worst championship team of the last 10 years.

it would be Warriors 15 v Mavs 11in my books.

since 2000 the Lakers Spurs Celtics Pistons I have better even Miami 06 with Wade Shaq

What about who the Cavs beat to get to the finals.. Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. Pretty pathetic. Golden State were far and away better than any team in the east, and won pretty easily vs the west teams - even if the road was weaker than it could have been. But you can blame the Spurs losing the last game of the year, leading to them playing the Clipps in the first round, for that. Not the Warriors fault.

The Warriors would wipe the floor with the 11 Mavs. They're a peg below the 14 Spurs for me but around the mark with the Miami teams.

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[Holz]

What about who the Cavs beat to get to the finals.. Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. Pretty pathetic. Golden State were far and away better than any team in the east, and won pretty easily vs the west teams - even if the road was weaker than it could have been. But you can blame the Spurs losing the last game of the year, leading to them playing the Clipps in the first round, for that. Not the Warriors fault.

The Warriors would wipe the floor with the 11 Mavs. They're a peg below the 14 Spurs for me but around the mark with the Miami teams.

they wernt better then the Cavs.

almost went 3-0

down to a team with Irving on 1 leg for 1 game then missing the rest of the series and a all star already on the bench.

Lebron on his own almost beat the Warriors so a health bosh and a alright wade would have won in 6 at the worst.

I give you they would probably beat the  11 Mavs, thats all ill give you

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[Jay]

What about who the Cavs beat to get to the finals.. Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. Pretty pathetic. Golden State were far and away better than any team in the east, and won pretty easily vs the west teams - even if the road was weaker than it could have been. But you can blame the Spurs losing the last game of the year, leading to them playing the Clipps in the first round, for that. Not the Warriors fault.

The Warriors would wipe the floor with the 11 Mavs. They're a peg below the 14 Spurs for me but around the mark with the Miami teams.

they wernt better then the Cavs.

almost went 3-0

down to a team with Irving on 1 leg for 1 game then missing the rest of the series and a all star already on the bench.

Lebron on his own almost beat the Warriors so a health bosh and a alright wade would have won in 6 at the worst.

I give you they would probably beat the  11 Mavs, thats all ill give you

How weren't they better than the Cavs? They beat them easily in the finals.. Yes they were down 2-1, but the first 3 games were close. And then Golden State won 3 straight games to seal the series, with the closest game being game 6 where it was a blowout but Cleveland came back to make it look closer than it really was.

It was the same case as the Memphis series, once Golden State figured it out - it was all over. When they benched Bogut for Igoudala in game 4 (down 2-1 heading back to Cleveland) the Cavs just couldn't go with them and it was series over.

LeBron was great for the first few games, but he didn't even get close to beating the Warriors. That series was all over after game 4 - but credit to the Cavs for making it closer than it should have been.

[Holz]

What about who the Cavs beat to get to the finals.. Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. Pretty pathetic. Golden State were far and away better than any team in the east, and won pretty easily vs the west teams - even if the road was weaker than it could have been. But you can blame the Spurs losing the last game of the year, leading to them playing the Clipps in the first round, for that. Not the Warriors fault.

The Warriors would wipe the floor with the 11 Mavs. They're a peg below the 14 Spurs for me but around the mark with the Miami teams.

they wernt better then the Cavs.

almost went 3-0

down to a team with Irving on 1 leg for 1 game then missing the rest of the series and a all star already on the bench.

Lebron on his own almost beat the Warriors so a health bosh and a alright wade would have won in 6 at the worst.

I give you they would probably beat the  11 Mavs, thats all ill give you

How weren't they better than the Cavs? They beat them easily in the finals.. Yes they were down 2-1, but the first 3 games were close. And then Golden State won 3 straight games to seal the series, with the closest game being game 6 where it was a blowout but Cleveland came back to make it look closer than it really was.

It was the same case as the Memphis series, once Golden State figured it out - it was all over. When they benched Bogut for Igoudala in game 4 (down 2-1 heading back to Cleveland) the Cavs just couldn't go with them and it was series over.

LeBron was great for the first few games, but he didn't even get close to beating the Warriors. That series was all over after game 4 - but credit to the Cavs for making it closer than it should have been.

They were better then the injured Cavs with their 2nd and 3rd best players out.

They wernt better then the cavs with just one of them available let alone two.

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[Jay]

What about who the Cavs beat to get to the finals.. Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. Pretty pathetic. Golden State were far and away better than any team in the east, and won pretty easily vs the west teams - even if the road was weaker than it could have been. But you can blame the Spurs losing the last game of the year, leading to them playing the Clipps in the first round, for that. Not the Warriors fault.

The Warriors would wipe the floor with the 11 Mavs. They're a peg below the 14 Spurs for me but around the mark with the Miami teams.

they wernt better then the Cavs.

almost went 3-0

down to a team with Irving on 1 leg for 1 game then missing the rest of the series and a all star already on the bench.

Lebron on his own almost beat the Warriors so a health bosh and a alright wade would have won in 6 at the worst.

I give you they would probably beat the  11 Mavs, thats all ill give you

How weren't they better than the Cavs? They beat them easily in the finals.. Yes they were down 2-1, but the first 3 games were close. And then Golden State won 3 straight games to seal the series, with the closest game being game 6 where it was a blowout but Cleveland came back to make it look closer than it really was.

It was the same case as the Memphis series, once Golden State figured it out - it was all over. When they benched Bogut for Igoudala in game 4 (down 2-1 heading back to Cleveland) the Cavs just couldn't go with them and it was series over.

LeBron was great for the first few games, but he didn't even get close to beating the Warriors. That series was all over after game 4 - but credit to the Cavs for making it closer than it should have been.

They were better then the injured Cavs with their 2nd and 3rd best players out.

They wernt better then the cavs with just one of them available let alone two.

I've already explained why the Cavs injuries wouldn't have really mattered. Maybe having Irving would have helped to give some helped offensively to LeBron, but he'd get killed defensively as well. Love would have been irrelevant in that series, even though he's a lot better than TT, it just wasn't a good matchup. TT was essential because they could switch on Steph and he'd hold his own, with Love they couldn't do that. Injuries aren't why the Warriors beat the Cavs, Cleveland just weren't that great last year.

I honestly think they might be even better this year. Am expecting them to go back to back, with OKC as their biggest threat. Just because they don't really have a matchup for KD, or the athleticism to go with the other guys.

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its a no brainer to most got a laugh out of the fact it became a debate :D