Tom Mitchell

[redfield]

If he backs it up next week (and is named the week after :-\) then Salem -> Mitchell is as easy a decision as I'll make this year.

[Capper]

he effects the scores of JPK

how??

JPK got 58 against GWS and Titch didnt play.

JPK got 101 against the dogs

[ando_10]

reason why he doesnt play often is cause his defensive pressure is shocking doesnt like to push back loves to attack. thats all (hence his scores)

[Speculator]

he's worth the risk in my opinion if he can back up with another hundred.

[honza]

he's worth the risk in my opinion if he can back up with another hundred.

Kennedy, Bennell, McGovern, Franklin, Zorko - all may be around the 100 average mark for only 100k more.

Being cheaper doesn't mean more value. Price for risk.

If Mitchell were a 117k rookie people would be saying his JS is a worry.

[Capper]

Until Heeney and Titch are in the same team, he wont have great JS

[makita]

Mitchell may need to work on his defensive pressure and may be a bit cocky but he got like 22 contested possessions on the weekend in the wet for a losing side. Thats 22 times he got the footy for his team when it was in dispute. Only 3 guys got more total possessions than he did contested possessions and I'm pretty sure u would have heard of them before (Parker, Hannebery, JPK). Don't see him getting dropped, he made it into the side and was in the best hand full of players when there was only 2 injured players (Heeney and Reid) to an otherwise stacked team.

Just my opinion but i think this is the year of Tom Mitchell.

Absolute jet. All aboard. Toot Toot

[honza]

Mitchell may need to work on his defensive pressure and may be a bit cocky but he got like 22 contested possessions on the weekend in the wet for a losing side. Thats 22 times he got the footy for his team when it was in dispute. Only 3 guys got more total possessions than he did contested possessions and I'm pretty sure u would have heard of them before (Parker, Hannebery, JPK). Don't see him getting dropped, he made it into the side and was in the best hand full of players when there was only 2 injured players (Heeney and Reid) to an otherwise stacked team.

Just my opinion but i think this is the year of Tom Mitchell.

Absolute jet. All aboard. Toot Toot

You have some good points. I'm not really looking to butt heads or say who's right or wrong, but just putting some meat on the bone here.

If stats were the whole story on a player's performance then a team would be coached by a spreadsheet and a few really good macros.

Some contested ball can turn a game. Other contested ball isn't actually worth winning. It's all about context.

If he's not holding his spot despite putting up good numbers then something's wrong.

And if you have huge numbers in a game where the team lost.... that can actually work against you.

[Drak]

Mitchell may need to work on his defensive pressure and may be a bit cocky but he got like 22 contested possessions on the weekend in the wet for a losing side. Thats 22 times he got the footy for his team when it was in dispute. Only 3 guys got more total possessions than he did contested possessions and I'm pretty sure u would have heard of them before (Parker, Hannebery, JPK). Don't see him getting dropped, he made it into the side and was in the best hand full of players when there was only 2 injured players (Heeney and Reid) to an otherwise stacked team.

Just my opinion but i think this is the year of Tom Mitchell.

Absolute jet. All aboard. Toot Toot

Im with Makita Honza.

400k is way  too much for Mitchell.

Far too many reliable forwards drop to that price range during the year.

Last year I grabbed the Hoff in the high 300s and he averaged 98 for the second half of the year. Bit flukey, but better guys than Mitchell will present. Always do.

I disagree Honza. The kid is a possession pig. Surely you saw that against the dogs. Always in and under. I saw him get 2 possession in contests from follow up on multiple occasions.

Biggest concern is obviously his selection. Can anyone back up a comment I read on game chat that the coaching staff and selectors don't like him because he is full of himself? Or was that just speculation? I can understand kilbluff1985 comment about the defensive pressure. I have noticed his lack of it in the past, I thought yesterday was slightly better though. I think its more his defensive pressure after the ball has left the area. He sure gets enough tackles.

I also think a major selection factor is his butchering of the ball. Which I think has a lot to do with him trying to get up to speed with AFL over NEAFL. He is fine with his efficiency when he plays against spuds.

I can't see how, if cemented in the side, you would think 400k is too much for a kid that thinks 30 possessions is an avg day.

Getting 30 possessions isn't cementing his spot.

Getting 60 possessions in the NEAFL isn't cementing his spot.

A 100 average is useless if it's 6 games. Simple as that.

It sounds like you are just not a fan.

I didn't say 30 possessions cements his spot. I said if he breaks in to the side and holds it, then I don't understand how you wouldn't justify his 400k price tag. My whole first post was trying to gauge how likely his chances are of returning to the NEAFL.

he's worth the risk in my opinion if he can back up with another hundred.

Kennedy, Bennell, McGovern, Franklin, Zorko - all may be around the 100 average mark for only 100k more.

Being cheaper doesn't mean more value. Price for risk.

If Mitchell were a 117k rookie people would be saying his JS is a worry.

I wouldn't be looking at TMitch because he is cheaper. I genuinely think he has a more consistent high ceiling than any of those names you mentioned, bar Harley Bennell (Who I believe is severely underperforming at the minute)

Ive always been an advocate of mid/fwd consistency over power fwd scores of 150, 30, 60, 160, 20 70, etc etc

Until Kennedy scores higher than 70 against a decent side Ill consider (he demolished Carlton 178, and got 100+ against Bris and GWS.... Freo 66 Doggies 72

Franklin is the only power fwd I would consider. Have had him past 2 years. May upgrade after bye round.

Until Brisbane get their s hi te together, why bother with zorko

McGovern had a good opening to the year. He will level out. 80-90avg

Bennell, until suns are more consistent he won't be.

Again, the only downside to TMitch is his selection status. I would pick him over any of the mentioned players if he was a certain best 22 player.

Its just my opinion Honza, I understand you don't think so. And thats fine. Ive always been a TMitch fan, even from before he played his first AFL game.

[honza]

Its just my opinion Honza, I understand you don't think so. And thats fine. Ive always been a TMitch fan, even from before he played his first AFL game.

All good chief.

I suspect, just like everything else in life, that the truth falls somewhere between. That's life.

I wouldn't say I'm not a fan. But rather he's good at things the team already has. If he were traded, which I think looms large, he'd be an asset at a team like Brisbane/St Kilda, even West Coast who don't have a midfield yet. If he were at the Saints he'd be close to my first picked.

Mitchell reminds me a lot of Armitage at Saints. Talented player, produces numbers when he gets in, but is trying to break in to a damned good side and may just have to wait his turn for a few years.

[Drak]

Its just my opinion Honza, I understand you don't think so. And thats fine. Ive always been a TMitch fan, even from before he played his first AFL game.

All good chief.

I suspect, just like everything else in life, that the truth falls somewhere between. That's life.

I wouldn't say I'm not a fan. But rather he's good at things the team already has. If he were traded, which I think looms large, he'd be an asset at a team like Brisbane/St Kilda, even West Coast who don't have a midfield yet. If he were at the Saints he'd be close to my first picked.

Yeah I was thinking he is pretty good trade meat for Sydney. But he is a NSW boy isn't he? I suppose if you are not getting a game....

I reckon they believe he can rectify his errant defensive behaviour, or he would have already been a trade option. Getting 64 possessions, even in the worst league in Australia, would make the coaching staff hold on to him that little bit more, surely.

[js19]

Biggest problem for Titch is that, for whatever reason, Horse just isn't a fan. Despite great numbers he's a risk to get dropped if the coach thinks someone else will bring a different skill to the table other than winning the footy, crazy as that sounds.

As Honza said, 30 touches in a losing side doesn't necessarily keep the spot if there isn't enough scoreboard impact. If Heeney has 15 touches and kicks goals as well as balances the side better he might squeeze him out.

Dogs had the same issue when Libba was fit, and Wallis couldn't crack in as they were too similar when adding Smith to that list as well.

Horses for courses...

[YoungGun]

But he is a NSW boy isn't he?

Pretty sure he is a VIC boy

[Ricochet]

But he is a NSW boy isn't he?

Pretty sure he is a VIC boy

WA*

[js19]

But he is a NSW boy isn't he?

Pretty sure he is a VIC boy

WA*

Junior club Ashburton in Vic
Recruited from Claremont WA
Father/son for Sydney

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