RIP Andrew and Myuran

[Big Mac]

I care more about the aboriginal land grab currently taking place....one does not simply ''close down'' 170 communities, thinly veiled disguise at displacing and stealing more land from indigenous peoples and if the vast majority of Australia's do not stop this i officially label us complete racists. and that whole ''sorry'' speech will mean absolutely nothing, perhaps it's time for the aboriginals to stop using words.....white man talk is worth less than shower.

FYI (white English/Scotish heritage here).

I think the Government loves keeping people distracted by media driven nonsense and trivial issues.

Somewhat relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWafOPX2SPQ

[Ziplock]

All else aside, Grazz if you support capital punishment for things like murder, then you should support it for huge drug smugglers- their actions destroy so many lives and kill people as well... the only difference is they make cash from it on the way.

To clarify, I don't support capital punishment at all. Life in prison, I do support. The death penalty carries with it a finality (obviously) that, if mistakes are made in the justice system, is irreversible. People like Lindy Chamberlain (to use a classic example), could be put to death incorrectly.

That being said, I stayed well out of the whole bali 9 execution thing. I can see why people wanted clemency based on ideology/ personal belief. I can also see why people think that because they knew what they were doing, they knew the penalty and were destroying people's lives, that the fuss over it was excessive.

And honestly, if Australia wanted to make a stand on capital punishment, we could have picked far, far more deserving people. That being said, if they'd been assessed as rehabilitated, it doesn't make sense to put them to death- if they're rehabilitated and you still kill them, what's the point of prison? It's literally there for rehabilitation- if you don't accept rehabilitation then you might as well just have capital punishment for every offence.

Honestly, these guys were complete scumbags, and frankly anyone who believes otherwise is either deluded, an idiot or brainwashed by the sensationalism of the media. However, if they'd been rehabilitated/ changed as people, which I think is quite probable, they should have had their sentences cut to life imprisonment- if indonesia didn't want to deal with the cost of maintaining them in prison they could have been sent back to Australia, or we could have paid the cost.

Anyway, flower it, it's over now, and honestly it's going to make it a flower ton less likely any aussie is going to try to smuggle a showerload of drugs into indonesia.

[shaker]

All else aside, Grazz if you support capital punishment for things like murder, then you should support it for huge drug smugglers- their actions destroy so many lives and kill people as well... the only difference is they make cash from it on the way.

To clarify, I don't support capital punishment at all. Life in prison, I do support. The death penalty carries with it a finality (obviously) that, if mistakes are made in the justice system, is irreversible. People like Lindy Chamberlain (to use a classic example), could be put to death incorrectly.

That being said, I stayed well out of the whole bali 9 execution thing. I can see why people wanted clemency based on ideology/ personal belief. I can also see why people think that because they knew what they were doing, they knew the penalty and were destroying people's lives, that the fuss over it was excessive.

And honestly, if Australia wanted to make a stand on capital punishment, we could have picked far, far more deserving people. That being said, if they'd been assessed as rehabilitated, it doesn't make sense to put them to death- if they're rehabilitated and you still kill them, what's the point of prison? It's literally there for rehabilitation- if you don't accept rehabilitation then you might as well just have capital punishment for every offence.

Honestly, these guys were complete scumbags, and frankly anyone who believes otherwise is either deluded, an idiot or brainwashed by the sensationalism of the media. However, if they'd been rehabilitated/ changed as people, which I think is quite probable, they should have had their sentences cut to life imprisonment- if indonesia didn't want to deal with the cost of maintaining them in prison they could have been sent back to Australia, or we could have paid the cost.

Anyway, flower it, it's over now, and honestly it's going to make it a flower ton less likely any aussie is going to try to smuggle a showerload of drugs into indonesia.

I agree with Grazz about capital punishment for certain crimes but that is not going to happen what I would like to see is people who kill once be locked up for good that would have meant that a beautiful girl like miss Cafferky would be alive and for dogs like the one that raped and killed miss Meagher would have been in jail with his priors instead on the streets , but this country would rather lock up people that do crimes for money and let violent criminals run free , perfect example the drug flowered creep that shot his girlfriend in the stomach with a shotgun pushed her out of the car at a servo and left she died and he got 5 years ..... something very wrong with our justice system  >:(

[Grazz]

Nuh Zip don't support for drug dealers but respect a Nations right ti impose it's own laws.
The nine took the risk and two ultimately paid with their lives knowing the law this i can accept but dislike it.
The corruption of the judges and political influence in a case where people could possibly face the death penalty can't / shouldn't happen anywhere.

[BratPack]

I really can't bring myself to care for two drug smugglers

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the two of them [nsfw]

[Grufflez]

Just want to recognize Grazz for speaking his mind on a contentious issue and giving others the opportunity to word their thoughts on the subject, and i think that The Front Bar is the appropriate place for such topics, we all love our footy but it's nice to be able to get a better insight into the minds of some of our fellow SC coaches.  ;)

[Grufflez]

I care more about the aboriginal land grab currently taking place....one does not simply ''close down'' 170 communities, thinly veiled disguise at displacing and stealing more land from indigenous peoples and if the vast majority of Australia's do not stop this i officially label us complete racists. and that whole ''sorry'' speech will mean absolutely nothing, perhaps it's time for the aboriginals to stop using words.....white man talk is worth less than shower.

FYI (white English/Scotish heritage here).

I think the Government loves keeping people distracted by media driven nonsense and trivial issues.

Somewhat relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWafOPX2SPQ

LOL but also  :'( :'( :'( He leads us.....

[jvalles69]

Great thread and a lot of respect shown for each others opinions, unlike all the crap I keep seeing on social media, good work.

To me the facts were they were drug dealers who got caught in a country that dealt the death penalty for such action and that was the risk they took and so be it, regardless of if they deserved the punishment.  To tell another nation how they should run the legal system is absolute garbage even if it is barabaric, maybe a bit of money into education to make their own decision to change their laws would be a better option.  Politicians are like kids, you tell them not to do something and you can be sure they will do it out of stubborness and their own agendas.  The corruption side of Indonesia is also garbage.

I do wish we had tougher laws here in Oz, some of the shower that goes down these days are horrible.  My idea would be to have a list of crimes that fall into their own category, ie murder, rape, paedophilia etc.  1 strike and you get jailed for the appropriate term to fit the crime. If you get released and commit any of these crimes again then thats death row for you buddy, that person has shown no signs of rehabilitation.

[Dudge]

My thought is both ways. Point 1 - The two of them are/were no threat to society if left in jail. Point 2, they took the risk and got caught. We all saw how they were shown to be rehabilitated, but if they weren't  caught, would there be a different " Bali 9 " 5 years later?. I'm not sure if anyone knows, but was this their first attempt?, or had they done it prior and got away with it.

Either way, I feel so sorry for their families. Just try and picture your loved one in that position

[Jukes]

I'm pretty on-the-fence on it too

They knew what they were doing and getting into and the punishment for it and we should respect the Indonesian justice system's right to fully prosecute them. Should trafficking drugs really be a death sentence when so much worse stuff happens every day? Probably not, especially seeing as they were rehabilitated and all that, but in the end what has happened has happened and there are more important things in the world going on than the fate of two criminals, like that earthquake that's killed 7000+ people or the fact that the dons are going to smoke Freo in their own backyard this Saturday.

[nas]

There is a letter (Supposedly) doing the rounds from a policeman going around social media.

[LF]

There is a letter (Supposedly) doing the rounds from a policeman going around social media.

Yep I have read that