RIP Andrew and Myuran

[Pkbaldy]

They didn't give a flower about the 100s of deaths they were indirectly causing through overdoses (I know it's a person's choice to take drugs). So why would I care about them getting shot?

[Big Mac]

They didn't give a flower about the 100s of deaths they were indirectly causing through overdoses (I know it's a person's choice to take drugs). So why would I care about them getting shot?

I don't think the argument is that you should care about it, it's that their deaths don't really achieve anything other than pain and suffering for the families. So why kill them? That's what I've discerned anyway...

Australia must be consistent about the death penalty no matter what country it involves never hear much about the USA or China there is an aussie on death row there now didn't hear a peep when the Bali bombers were executed , personally being shot for what they did is to harsh but that is the law you don't see the others in the Bali 9 helping others or becoming ministers no because they did not get the death penalty anyway RIP to them and there is scum in our prisons that would deserve the death penalty much more than these 2 chaps they just did it in the wrong country 

This is what I struggle to understand as well - For years, Indonesia (and many other countries) have had the death penalty in place. Everyone was just like "sure Indonesia, if you want to kill people, you can". But now that Indonesia actually decides to exercise this power, everyone goes crazy over it. You can't pick and choose your battles. You're either against the death penalty or you're not.

[quinny88]

Yes they knew the laws and took the risk but does anyone honestly think they would attemp it again after their time in prison?

I'm all for the death penalty for people who have committed unspeakable crimes and are a legitimate danger to society that can't be rehabilitated but drug smugglers are not those people.

They made a poor choice probably because they were forced to or were lured by the pay check but that doesn't deserve death

[nrich102]

Joko Widodo is a weak politician. He's towing the party line so he doesn't come under any kind of pressure from within the party.  Killing these guys puts them on a list with countries like Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, South Sudan and Syria. If I was president of a country I would love to be on this list ::)

Iraq...Armed by America to fight Iran then turned on for Oil & to generally create instability in the middle east
Libya...Another middle eastern country interfered with, lol within days of the Americans/UN entering the conflict American oil tankers were docked once they had air superiority...wars cost money might as well take some oil to help pay for it.
North Korea... similar to Vietnam in regards to it being a country kept divided when it should be unified, America naturally supports the wealthy south and it's blockade's & embargo's go a long way to stopping the North developing/ keeping them in poverty, they gave the Israelis Nuclear weapons and they have them but no one else should have em right?
Syria....is a pawn being used against the Russians/Iranians...America arms the Rebel groups (who actually fight each other as well) to fight and destabilize the Government.
Sudan.....is the odd one out, it's civil violence is ethic i.e Muslims vs Blacks...this is actually a case were the western world probably should have helped to stop the genocide and mass murder but there is no strategic/economic gains to be had so we sat back and watched them butcher each other.

America always needs an enemy, can't have so much money tied up in military just sitting there can we.
Russian knew that the Yanks would turn back to the old ''Anti Communist'' ways once the destabilizing of the Middle east was completed because its 2 main rivals in economic/military power are of course Russian/China.

If you think that America and the west are any less corrupt than some third world dictators you are fooling yourself, and probably listening to too much government/self interested propaganda, "We are the good guys & You are the bad" O' if only life were so simple, Religion....''Good vs Evil, Black & White''  ::) ::) ::)

This may read like a conspiracy theory to anyone who hasn't read much about history but to take a quote from one of my favourite fantasy novels, ''Words are wind"....America's actions and foreign policy tell the real story not the White house or Canberra's Rhetoric.

Destabilizing the Middle East "Arab Spring" is part of a simple war strategy called Divide & Conquer...they can't bother Israel if they are fighting amongst themselves can they?

It sickens me that we are in league with the Americans and not concentrating on closer ties in our own region Asia, old tribalist thinking perhaps? whites stick together because we have more in common?

I half agree with you mate. I think that we are far too close to America compared to other countries around us and I think that. America does a lot of wrong, but at the same time so do the nations I listed above and I would blame America for everything that has happened there, but they do make it escalate with giving out guns etc.

[Big Mac]

Yes they knew the laws and took the risk but does anyone honestly think they would attemp it again after their time in prison?

I'm all for the death penalty for people who have committed unspeakable crimes and are a legitimate danger to society that can't be rehabilitated but drug smugglers are not those people.

They made a poor choice probably because they were forced to or were lured by the pay check but that doesn't deserve death

But what if their reform was only enabled by being constantly aware of their approaching deaths?

[shaker]

They didn't give a flower about the 100s of deaths they were indirectly causing through overdoses (I know it's a person's choice to take drugs). So why would I care about them getting shot?

I don't think the argument is that you should care about it, it's that their deaths don't really achieve anything other than pain and suffering for the families. So why kill them? That's what I've discerned anyway...

Australia must be consistent about the death penalty no matter what country it involves never hear much about the USA or China there is an aussie on death row there now didn't hear a peep when the Bali bombers were executed , personally being shot for what they did is to harsh but that is the law you don't see the others in the Bali 9 helping others or becoming ministers no because they did not get the death penalty anyway RIP to them and there is scum in our prisons that would deserve the death penalty much more than these 2 chaps they just did it in the wrong country 

This is what I struggle to understand as well - For years, Indonesia (and many other countries) have had the death penalty in place. Everyone was just like "sure Indonesia, if you want to kill people, you can". But now that Indonesia actually decides to exercise this power, everyone goes crazy over it. You can't pick and choose your battles. You're either against the death penalty or you're not.

This country rejoiced when the Bali bombers were executed because of the loss of Australians politicians said justice had been done well you can't pick and choose as you said I'm sure the families who have lost loved ones because of heroin rejoiced as well , the real problem is our politicians are piss weak along with our justice system

[AaronKirk]

Australia must be consistent about the death penalty no matter what country it involves never hear much about the USA or China there is an aussie on death row there now didn't hear a peep when the Bali bombers were executed , personally being shot for what they did is to harsh but that is the law you don't see the others in the Bali 9 helping others or becoming ministers no because they did not get the death penalty anyway RIP to them and there is scum in our prisons that would deserve the death penalty much more than these 2 chaps they just did it in the wrong country

Totally agree. No matter what the country or where the individual on death row comes from (or the crime committed) the death penalty is just wrong.

The majority of Australians were cheering in the streets when the bali bombers were sentenced to death, which I felt uneasy about and then shouted their disgust when these 2 scumbags were shot to death, which I feel uneasy about.

Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukamaran deserve no sympathy at all - they knew what they were doing and the consequences - but I feel for their families.

I just with the hypocrisy of the Australian people doesn't continue. The next death from the death penalty from a person in China, the US or Saudi Arabia etc should be protested as much, regardless whether it is an Aussie or not.

[PowerBug]

It won't happen AK, as much as it should. The same protesting will not happen :(

[Hellopplz]

Those boys knew what would happen if they got caught. Now they and their families are crying fowl.

I have also heard stories about some of the horrible things these 2 did. I have no respect for them but i dont not approve that they should be shot and killed as punishment.

My thoughts on the situation same as your's Tabsy.

Death penalties have been shown to have little effect actually deterring crime (studied like 2 years about this, and did a few essays on it). Although they were rehabilitating after they got caught, have to respect Indonesia's laws even if you don't agree with them. They were the known consequences, although I don't like how the Indonesia Gov. were trying to use this as an example towards others.

[Grazz]

My issue isn't about the death penalty my issue in Andrew's and Myuran's trial is the corruption and the political influence. There's a few other issues but mainly those. When a person is on death row they are two things you do not want in question surely and if you have an Appeal pending on May 12th how can u be put to death before it.

[Boomz]

My issue isn't about the death penalty my issue in Andrew's and Myuran's trial is the corruption and the political influence. There's a few other issues but mainly those. When a person is on death row they are two things you do not want in question surely and if you have an Appeal pending on May 12th how can u be put to death before it.

Basically under Indonesian law, they have no right to that appeal in the first place hence why the Indonesian government just ignored it. They were lucky to even get their previous appeal into a court legally.

[Grazz]

My issue isn't about the death penalty my issue in Andrew's and Myuran's trial is the corruption and the political influence. There's a few other issues but mainly those. When a person is on death row they are two things you do not want in question surely and if you have an Appeal pending on May 12th how can u be put to death before it.

Basically under Indonesian law, they have no right to that appeal in the first place hence why the Indonesian government just ignored it. They were lucky to even get their previous appeal into a court legally.

The court agreed to hear the case on May12th which would of been another platform for the corruption allegations to aired. Regardless of wether they had a right to it a court agreed to hear it on the evidence tabled but still they were shot, gives pause to think why when 2 others received stays of execution due to new evidence, but that's evidence that won't embarass Indonesia i guess.

Like ive said it's the process not the punishment that has me up in arms, i hope ive made that clear here.   

[Ringo]

http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-catholic-university-reveals-scholarships-to-honour-executed-bali-9-duo-20150501-1mxmdp.html

No matter what your views are on the death penalty and like Grazz I still question the process involved (especially the corruption in the Indonesian Leagal System) this is totally despicable in my opinion.

It is setting theses 2 up as some sort of heroes which is wrong.  Do not forget they are still drug smugglers and we all know the damage drugs do to the community.

Do not mean to be callous but to me it is smuggle drugs in Indonesia, Malsysia or Singapore eventually get executed as a result of those countries death penalty and then be honoured with a scholarship or similar,

[shaker]

http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-catholic-university-reveals-scholarships-to-honour-executed-bali-9-duo-20150501-1mxmdp.html

No matter what your views are on the death penalty and like Grazz I still question the process involved (especially the corruption in the Indonesian Leagal System) this is totally despicable in my opinion.

It is setting theses 2 up as some sort of heroes which is wrong.  Do not forget they are still drug smugglers and we all know the damage drugs do to the community.

Do not mean to be callous but to me it is smuggle drugs in Indonesia, Malsysia or Singapore eventually get executed as a result of those countries death penalty and then be honoured with a scholarship or similar,

Saw that Ringo and think it has been canned already if not it will be , who ever came up with that would have to have there qualifications questioned

[Grufflez]

I care more about the aboriginal land grab currently taking place....one does not simply ''close down'' 170 communities, thinly veiled disguise at displacing and stealing more land from indigenous peoples and if the vast majority of Australia's do not stop this i officially label us complete racists. and that whole ''sorry'' speech will mean absolutely nothing, perhaps it's time for the aboriginals to stop using words.....white man talk is worth less than shower.

FYI (white English/Scotish heritage here).

I think the Government loves keeping people distracted by media driven nonsense and trivial issues.