RIP Andrew and Myuran

[Grazz]

RIP Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

[Grazz]

I don't believe this was about justice this was a Political act.
#IStandForMercy

[nrich102]

RIP

And to think that not all of their legal case thingos were done...

#Istandformercy

[Grufflez]

Respectfully disagree #Irespectindivualcountriesrightstotheirownlegalsystemandjudgments. #Australiawasnotvotedworldpoliceandshouldbemorefocusedondomesticissueslikeaborigionalinjusticesandatrocities.

Respect your opinions immensely chaps.

[Boomz]

Rest in Peace.

Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty but they did the crime and knew the punishment  The justice system in Indo is messed up though and in the end it was a political show of strength for a new president struggling to live up to his promises. Been in Indo for 7 years and drugs are a massive problem (had one friend die and a few more in dark places) but they are avoiding the main issue of poverty and lack of education. They should be doing more to cut down the local drug manufacturers as well instead of happily taking bribes to look the other way as long as it doesn't make the news...

[Grufflez]

Rest in Peace.

Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty but they did the crime and knew the punishment  The justice system in Indo is messed up though and in the end it was a political show of strength for a new president struggling to live up to his promises. Been in Indo for 7 years and drugs are a massive problem (had one friend die and a few more in dark places) but they are avoiding the main issue of poverty and lack of education. They should be doing more to cut down the local drug manufacturers as well instead of happily taking bribes to look the other way as long as it doesn't make the news...

Australia is cutting its foreign aid to Indonesia, just as it has worldwide #Disgracefulfora1stworldnation. Poverty is always THE issue >no education>crime ect ect but people choose to spend millions on sports and war memorials instead of fixing social inequality my friend...priorities of the people :( I won't say anymore and wasn't hijacking thread just responded to this guy i agree with, ty.

[Grazz]

There are many opinions wide and varied regarding the Bali9 it's been a big story for some time so most of us have one and all should be respected so if anyone does wish to post in here expressing their opinion feel free but follow the lead of those who have posted already and keep it premium please. It may of been better had i not posted i feel it was more political than justice.

The reason behind the statement isn't a protest on the death penalty and a Nations right to enforce their laws, i respect a Nations right to decide it's own laws. Everyone knows what punishment may await you if you attempt what the Bali9 attempted but i'd just like to post the points of contention i have with how Andrew and Michael were treated by the Indonesian legal system.

From the very start i was angry at how the AFP had given them up to Indonesian authorities placing the 9 kids in the position of facing the death penalty. The AFP knew nothing of what they were up to till one of the parents (Scott Rush's father) approached them stating he had concerns about a paid trip his son was going on and asked for assistance only to have his son given up to Indonesian Authorities when they could of been arrested when they landed in Sydney and dealt with here. They were exporting not importing drugs into Bali.

Since 2013 Indonesia has had a self imposed moratorium on the death penalty but Joko Widodo a recently elected President of Indonesia is only just holding power, in order for him to assure he is elected again he needs to win the popular vote of the Islamic community who the opposition currently have the support of, most of Yoko's votes came from the Muslim community. The Islamic community as we know is a supporter of the death penalty the Muslim community is divided on it as many of the poor and needy Indonesians also were punished by the death penalty and they see first hand how difficult it can be to survive and how easy it can be to end up commiting a crime that can bring death, My point being Joko see's the Islamic vote as a way to sure up his Government by looking strong on this issue. As i said there was a self imposed moratorium on the death penalty which Yoko decided to reinforce along with his Attorney General once in Government. This was a political move, i concede it is his right but

President Widodo came to power from the Indonesian provinces on a platform of anti-corruption, yet refused to consider corruption allegations made against the judges in the trial of Sukumaran and Chan.
It is unthinkable that these executions went ahead when there were still legal avenues to be pursued. Only the day before, the Indonesian Constitutional Court declared its preparedness to open a hearing on May 12 into President Widodo’s refusal to consider the circumstances under which he might grant clemency.
The Judicial Court investigation into the alleged demands of the trial judges for more than a billion rupiah, the equivalent in Australian dollars of some $130,000, to overturn a demand by the Attorney-General for the death sentence. Later increased to $1,000,000 Aus once the death penalty was imposed allegedly.

At stages through their initial arrest they were able to if they could raise the funds buy their way out of harsh sentence but coming from poor families and not being the drug lords the Indonesians and the media thought they were they could not raise the money then Political interference put the death penalty on the table and the price escalated to $1,000,000 to save their lives which of course could not be met either. Their former lawyer tabled these corruption allegations for the now President/Attorney General to review and decide on clemency or retrial , they ignored this for over a month and as far as i know still haven't read it, when questioned about the allegations the now Attorney General stated show me the proof, they have had the evidence for over a month.
To me it smacked of wanting as many witnesses out of the way as soon as possible. Their original Indonesian lawyer has had his career ruined and lives in fear of his life and im sure Lubis is concerned for his well being also as he has made alot of powerful enemies and embarrassed them.

How these men were treated towards the end and paraded for the media escorted by dozens of armed soldiers with guard dogs escorted by fighter jets on the way to the island where they would be executed a naval vessel constantly circling the island, what was that all for. Never before had any such measures ever been employed in the past it was all done as quietly as possible with minimum fuss. The bloke making their crosses and painting their names on them and the date of execution all filmed and televised which in itself was just propaganda as no crosses for graves were needed as their bodies were being flown home and they were well aware of this already so why do that. The reason i believe is to make it a big a deal as possible to push Yoko's agenda on winning the Islamic vote, the more that it's covered by the media the more see it but it was cruel in the extreme.
They still had a Constitutional Appeal trial to go set for the 12th of May but were shot anyway, how is this legal.

The prison Governor testified at their appeal trial that Andrew now an ordained minister and Myuran had been rehabilitated and were fantastic examples of it and had helped many others in their time in prison and continue to, he pleaded that they not be put to death . Fellow prisoners offered their lives instead and would be shot in their place to try to save them but all fell on deaf ears. Murderers are pardoned some of the Bali bombers were given clemency why not Andrew and Myuran. The Governor retired shortly after the hearing, i wonder why this was and was it voluntary or was he forced.

Im not against the death penalty for the worst of crimes Murder etc infact i'd like to see people such as Ivan Milat Martin Bryant put to death but i am against it being imposed on drug dealers and such crimes. These crimes shouldn't attract the death penalty imo. Long prison terms yes but not death so yes i am a little bias but respect a nations right to impose their own laws as they see fit regardless of my feelings. In this case im annoyed at the corruption and judicial influence that ultimately led to these men dying as i said i see this more as a political act by Yoko to win votes than an act of justice. The corruption allegations will be buried no doubt but the world is already asking many questions of the Indonesian Government regarding them and how this case was handled and are receiving worldwide condemnation for it and rightly so. I also find it hypocritical that Indonesia actively protests around the world against Indonesian citizens on death row while they impose it in their own country.

Im led to believe Andrew and Myuran were stoic and spent much time helping the others about to be shot get through the ordeal
and translated to the others what was being said to and asked of them. Apparently they were singing when they were shot.

I accept it's Nations right to impose their laws as they see fit but i don't except judicial influence and corruption in the name of justice. If this happened here people would be going to prison.
   

[nrich102]

Joko Widodo is a weak politician. He's towing the party line so he doesn't come under any kind of pressure from within the party.  Killing these guys puts them on a list with countries like Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, South Sudan and Syria. If I was president of a country I would love to be on this list ::)

[Jay]

Think the moral of the story is to not become massive drug dealers...

[PowerBug]

Think the moral of the story is to not become massive drug dealers...

Don't break the law, can't get in trouble eyyy?


Yeah lots wrong with what happened, I'm unsure on what stance to take on the whole thing. :-/

[meow meow]

I blame rap music. I'm looking at you, 50 cent.

[Grufflez]

Joko Widodo is a weak politician. He's towing the party line so he doesn't come under any kind of pressure from within the party.  Killing these guys puts them on a list with countries like Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, South Sudan and Syria. If I was president of a country I would love to be on this list ::)

Iraq...Armed by America to fight Iran then turned on for Oil & to generally create instability in the middle east
Libya...Another middle eastern country interfered with, lol within days of the Americans/UN entering the conflict American oil tankers were docked once they had air superiority...wars cost money might as well take some oil to help pay for it.
North Korea... similar to Vietnam in regards to it being a country kept divided when it should be unified, America naturally supports the wealthy south and it's blockade's & embargo's go a long way to stopping the North developing/ keeping them in poverty, they gave the Israelis Nuclear weapons and they have them but no one else should have em right?
Syria....is a pawn being used against the Russians/Iranians...America arms the Rebel groups (who actually fight each other as well) to fight and destabilize the Government.
Sudan.....is the odd one out, it's civil violence is ethic i.e Muslims vs Blacks...this is actually a case were the western world probably should have helped to stop the genocide and mass murder but there is no strategic/economic gains to be had so we sat back and watched them butcher each other.

America always needs an enemy, can't have so much money tied up in military just sitting there can we.
Russian knew that the Yanks would turn back to the old ''Anti Communist'' ways once the destabilizing of the Middle east was completed because its 2 main rivals in economic/military power are of course Russian/China.

If you think that America and the west are any less corrupt than some third world dictators you are fooling yourself, and probably listening to too much government/self interested propaganda, "We are the good guys & You are the bad" O' if only life were so simple, Religion....''Good vs Evil, Black & White''  ::) ::) ::)

This may read like a conspiracy theory to anyone who hasn't read much about history but to take a quote from one of my favourite fantasy novels, ''Words are wind"....America's actions and foreign policy tell the real story not the White house or Canberra's Rhetoric.

Destabilizing the Middle East "Arab Spring" is part of a simple war strategy called Divide & Conquer...they can't bother Israel if they are fighting amongst themselves can they?

It sickens me that we are in league with the Americans and not concentrating on closer ties in our own region Asia, old tribalist thinking perhaps? whites stick together because we have more in common?

[Grufflez]

I blame rap music. I'm looking at you, 50 cent.

ahaha yeah, Pac makes me wanna shoot some pigs ''N**** we hit em up"

[Capper]

Those boys knew what would happen if they got caught. Now they and their families are crying fowl.

I have also heard stories about some of the horrible things these 2 did. I have no respect for them but i dont not approve that they should be shot and killed as punishment.

[shaker]

Australia must be consistent about the death penalty no matter what country it involves never hear much about the USA or China there is an aussie on death row there now didn't hear a peep when the Bali bombers were executed , personally being shot for what they did is to harsh but that is the law you don't see the others in the Bali 9 helping others or becoming ministers no because they did not get the death penalty anyway RIP to them and there is scum in our prisons that would deserve the death penalty much more than these 2 chaps they just did it in the wrong country