Shiel the real deal??

[Wanderer]

Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though

Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon

Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.

Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)

These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.

Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.

Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.

The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.

The other thing to factor in though is how cheaper NVB is vs Shiel, so by getting Shiel you cant upgrade Goodes to a defender

Either way you can get a 500k player into your team - it's just whether you want to get a defender who should be a lock all year, or Shiel who does have a little risk

Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?

If Leon got him tagging now based on what he is doing he would be crazy

Plenty of other kids can do a run with role

If he is totally unleashed from tagging role then he is a worthy M8 you would think. Will be running free whilst Griff, Ward or Treloar get tagged. Is a better option than Bont, given Bont will surely get the number 1 tag going forward.

[Bully]

Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though

Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon

Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.

Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)

These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.

Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.

Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.

The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.

The other thing to factor in though is how cheaper NVB is vs Shiel, so by getting Shiel you cant upgrade Goodes to a defender

Either way you can get a 500k player into your team - it's just whether you want to get a defender who should be a lock all year, or Shiel who does have a little risk

Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?

If Leon got him tagging now based on what he is doing he would be crazy

Plenty of other kids can do a run with role

This is true with regards to defensive keeper vs slightly risky midfielder, I'm still of the opinion that Smith will be in the top 2-3 defenders for the year, I see him being this year's Malceski. The problem is how to get him and deal with Cocky at the same time. I really wish he was DPP, life would be so simple in that scenario. As I've mentioned before, if he plays and Goodes plays I'm out of the running, the first price rise and Goodes losing dough will push him beyond my available bank balance. I'm not prepared to leave Cocky in the side with NVB about to make 65k, particularly with Smith coming back from a nasty knock.

Hopefully Adelaide do the right thing and rest him, in that scenario I take Smith over Shiel. Otherwise I'll be be beefing up my midfield this week and hoping that Goodes can get his 10 out of the rolling average.

[North Melbournes Finest]

I used to captain against him in juniors, we always got spanked by 100+. Left and right foot at 10-13 kicking around 40 meters was amazing.

[Bully]

I used to captain against him in juniors, we always got spanked by 100+. Left and right foot at 10-13 kicking around 40 meters was amazing.

As a player I don't see many weaknesses in his game, his ability to kick on both sides and his acceleration of the mark has many comparing him to a Chris Judd. I've actually been quite surprised that other GWS mids have hogged the headlines and Shiel has gone about his business with little fanfare. He finished 4th in the B&F last year and averaged 23 touches as a 21 year old, his development is tracking beautifully. The other factor to consider is GWS are finally becoming a competitive unit, they should win 50% of their games and I doubt they will be flogged too often. Sydney will be a big test but they almost knocked them off in the preseason, I'm really looking forward to this week's contest.

[remon tea]

There is no chance that first rounder and Conca/Vickery is a fair deal. Both are average footballers for an upcoming star.

I reckon with all the midfield injuries this year, Shiel is a very good option. Realistically likely to average 110 - 112.

[JBs-Hawks]

The biggest worry is come end of season if he is looking like going back to Melbourne, GWS could flower with his role or sub him or rest him.

[Bully]

There is no chance that first rounder and Conca/Vickery is a fair deal. Both are average footballers for an upcoming star.

I reckon with all the midfield injuries this year, Shiel is a very good option. Realistically likely to average 110 - 112.

Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.

The biggest worry is come end of season if he is looking like going back to Melbourne, GWS could flower with his role or sub him or rest him.

GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.

[Mat0369]

Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.

GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.

No he won't

[colmullet]

If GWS picked up Vickery and a pick for Shiel i'd be disappointed especially with the abundance of good quality talls that GWS already have

[JBs-Hawks]

Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.

GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.

No he won't

Vickery worth a top 20 pick? Trevor Marmalade worthy!

[Bully]

Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.

GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.

No he won't

Think we'll have to disagree on that one, Vickery averaged 2 goals a game last year, unfortunately he had an injury plagued season. Didn't get the call-up this time around due to Griffiths having a better preseason, still only 24. If Hampson can get traded for pick 28 then Vickery demands a top 20 pick.

[AaronKirk]

Lock it in that Shiel will be at Hawthorn next year.

[Southstorm]

I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.

[Bully]

I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.

Cap space isn't a problem, there's a good reason we haven't chased a Goddard or Dal Santo, that's because we have been eyeing off Shiel for 2 years. The contract being offered is a very generous and lengthy one, it won't be easy to match.

[Mondoftw]

Am I crazy going GAJ > Shiel and not Sloane? Please tell me I'm not :)