Shiel the real deal??

[Fid]

Yep beast is right - over 100 SC points in all but one match as a junior (16yo) and came 4th in the Mulrooney Medal (18yo) even after missing 6 games.  That year he averaged 124 SC points whilst Treloar averaged 82

I was pumping up Shiel this preseason (Yeah I've mentioned it a couple of times already, but I knew he would explode this year :P), because I remember clearly when GWS first entered the league all the hype was around how damn good he was, but for some reason he never got a real go in their first season and people just forgot I guess

Kind of spewing he went SO good so far, because I was always going to bring him in, but now many more people will.

Yeah, I remember that hype back then even though he wasn't in the actual draft.  He was in the GWS pre draft and his very first game as a 17 yo he scored 174 SC points

Like The Bont, don't expect this crazy good 120+ big scores each week, but from this point on I reckon Shiel can average 110-115 across the entire season which is why I always wanted him, but just couldn't fit him in rd1, but now Gaz going down makes it possible

[RaisyDaisy]

FYP ;)

Yep beast is right - over 100 SC points in all but one match as a junior (16yo) and came 4th in the Mulrooney Medal (18yo) even after missing 6 games.  That year he averaged 124 SC points whilst Treloar averaged 82

I was pumping up Shiel this preseason (Yeah I've mentioned it a couple of times already, but I knew he would explode this year :P), because I remember clearly when GWS first entered the league all the hype was around how damn good he was, but for some reason he never got a real go in their first season and people just forgot I guess

Kind of spewing he went SO good so far, because I was always going to bring him in, but now many more people will.

Like The Bont, don't expect this crazy good 120+ big scores each week, but from this point on I reckon Shiel can average 110-115 across the entire season which is why I always wanted him, but just couldn't fit him in rd1, but now Gaz going down makes it possible

Yeah, I remember that hype back then even though he wasn't in the actual draft.  He was in the GWS pre draft and his very first game as a 17 yo he scored 174 SC points

[Bully]

Shiel's ownership is 0.9%, very much a POD at the moment.

[RaisyDaisy]

Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though

Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon

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He'll be the highest averaging player come round 23 too, when the Giants are 22-0. You had better get Treloar too, and Toby will average 150 across the last 10 rounds.

[FactHunt]

He'll be the highest averaging player come round 23 too, when the Giants are 22-0. You had better get Treloar too, and Toby will average 150 across the last 10 rounds.

Haha... love this guy. ;) :-*

[Bully]

Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though

Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon

Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.

Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)

These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.

Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.

Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.

The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.

[FactHunt]

Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though

Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon

Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.

Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)

These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.

Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.

Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.

The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.

Interesting thoughts... very sound reasoning too.
Im still finding it so hard to bring in a 2nd year player for GAJ- but it is really making sense the more i look at it.
Hmmmmmmmmmm...

[FactHunt]

My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!

[Bully]

My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!

Shiel averaged 95 last year which included an injury affected 41 vs Sydney. He was also assigned tagging roles throughout the year, this won't be the case in 2015. We also need to factor in natural improvement, having watched him thus far I'm sold on his ability to step up to the next level. He's a prolific tackler, he kicks goals, he wins a truckload of contested ball and he has some serious afterburners. Being 22 he's also at an age that is pretty typical of a breakout year. Granted he has a lot of competition but for natural talent I think he trumps them all with the exception of Treloar.

The only downside I can see is he may need to be traded out if he fails to hit 110, not such a big deal given Rich, NVB, Wallis etc would also require a further upgrade.   

[Marstar]

My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!

By that logic they should improve their SC scores because they will win more games right?

500k for an M8 with 105 average is not an unreasonable POD punt.

[FactHunt]

Just asking the questions boys, I like the logic :D

[krk004]

My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!

Shiel averaged 95 last year which included an injury affected 41 vs Sydney. He was also assigned tagging roles throughout the year, this won't be the case in 2015. We also need to factor in natural improvement, having watched him thus far I'm sold on his ability to step up to the next level. He's a prolific tackler, he kicks goals, he wins a truckload of contested ball and he has some serious afterburners. Being 22 he's also at an age that is pretty typical of a breakout year. Granted he has a lot of competition but for natural talent I think he trumps them all with the exception of Treloar.

The only downside I can see is he may need to be traded out if he fails to hit 110, not such a big deal given Rich, NVB, Wallis etc would also require a further upgrade.

Averaged 101.4 after the byes last year.

[Wanderer]

Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?

[RaisyDaisy]

Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though

Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon

Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.

Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)

These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.

Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.

Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.

The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.

The other thing to factor in though is how cheaper NVB is vs Shiel, so by getting Shiel you cant upgrade Goodes to a defender

Either way you can get a 500k player into your team - it's just whether you want to get a defender who should be a lock all year, or Shiel who does have a little risk

Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?

If Leon got him tagging now based on what he is doing he would be crazy

Plenty of other kids can do a run with role