POLL: Heath Shaw vs Josh Gibson

[prozz710]

I don't know why, but for some reason I'm not 100% sold on Shaw, will he just explode in that running back role for GWS or is he more likely to be shut down. Furthermore on Gibbo, am I reading too far into his nab performances, or is this guy the real deal?

Same price point. Who scores more, and more importantly, more consistently.

[Blues Blues Blues]

I'm currently rolling with both

[prozz710]

I've got Simpson at D1 and Hibberd at D3.
Think i've only got room for one of them. Seriously leaning towards Gibbo after tonight

[Blues Blues Blues]

I've got Simpson at D1 and Hibberd at D3.
Think i've only got room for one of them. Seriously leaning towards Gibbo after tonight

If I had to choose 1 I'd go Gibbo.

[RaisyDaisy]

Should get more feedback here

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,100232.975.html

[meow meow]

I've got Simpson at D1 and Hibberd at D3.
Think i've only got room for one of them. Seriously leaning towards Gibbo after tonight

If he can dominate against a Riewoldt-less Saints outfit then he must be a lock! Birchall probably won't get back into the 22 so Gibbo will handle all the rebounds. He's coming off a 92.5 season and we all know it's more difficult to have a higher average across 14 games than 22. Throw away the key.

[jfitty]

Both are in for me at the moment! Along with Simpson and either Malceski/Newnes (depeding on where I spend some cash) I'm feeling pretty keen on the backline.

If I had to pick one though, Gibbo. Loving his role at the moment.

[Bully]

I could be well wide of the mark here but I'm not sold on Gibson and I wouldn't be placing too much weight on his score against an undermanned St Kilda team. He did in fact score 141 against them last year so a ton was to be expected. Shaw has Gibbo well and truly covered over their respective careers and Gibson's 92 average in 2014 was his highest ever. By comparison Shaw has passed 90 the past 9 years and has passed 100 in 4. By my reckoning Gibson is overvalued & Shaw is undervalued, there's also Birchall to factor into the equation.

[prozz710]

Yes it was StKilda and its only Nab. But regardless you cant discount 2 games at: 26disposals, 8marks and roughly 92% by foot averages in more of a sweeper role. Factor in that Frawley comes in as the new shutdown man.

Just some fuel for discussion.

[LordSneeze]

To Me its Shaw by a mile.

Gibson scores
2014 - 59 97 110 106 65 89 142 78 (8) 103 55 51 89 123 128
Shaw scores
85 62 99 110 (1) 134 88 84 (1) 34 95 127 109 116 24 (3) 90 126 79 70 122
Games missed in brackets

To me this shows that Shaw has a lot more upside to Gibson. He is in an improving team, hawthorn cant really get much better than they have been.
Shaws 34 was when they lost by 110 points, the 24 was injury affected. Outside of those he didn't score under 60 and had 10 scores of 90+
Gibson had 7 only 90+ games and 3 under 60 (All 3 of those were in wins)

The only thing that worries me is his body. He hasn't played more than 19 games in any of the last 7 seasons, but also has averages over 90 in 9 consecutive.

Gibson definitely has the potential to go +90, but will throw in shockers that make the 100+ unlikely.

[Bully]

Yes it was StKilda and its only Nab. But regardless you cant discount 2 games at: 26disposals, 8marks and roughly 92% by foot averages in more of a sweeper role. Factor in that Frawley comes in as the new shutdown man.

Just some fuel for discussion.

I highly doubt he'll play that role for the entire season, in fact I can guarantee it. Birchall is the number 1 rebounder and he'll resume that position in round 1. Gibson will take the first or second best forward most weeks and Frawley may even spend some time up forward. NAB form can make us ignore history at times and it inevitably comes back to bite.

[RaisyDaisy]

He has looked very good, but 2 weeks ago I didn't even think of him for a second, therefor I don't really want to let 2 meaningless NAB matches influence me all of a sudden

[prozz710]

but 2 weeks ago I didn't even think of him for a second

Hard not to get sucked in by nab performances though sometimes, but definitely hear what you're saying. I've got Shaw in currently, and most likely will stick with him. The added bonus of Gibbo's low ownership percentage did play a role in my thinking though, could be a handy POD if people stay away and he explodes.

[_wato]

Why do you think Gibson will take the best forward each week? Frawley has come to Hawthorn for a purpose, and with Lake and Stratton you have the oppositions three best forwards covered, which allows Gibson the freedom to do as he pleases.

Add into the equation that you have already stated that Birchall is the best rebounder and we all know is more likely to curbed by a tag, so I don't really see where Gibson will find any hassles?

He is an unbelievable player at coming in third man up and spoiling (which SC rewards), and is very good at taking contested marks and being that link from FB to HB, where he possesses a beautiful efficiency to hit a target.

If he averaged 92 taking the first/second best forward behind Lake, imagine the points he could score having no responsibilities? Yes there will be some weeks where he will have to play on an oppositions best forward, but I can see that being few and far between, and the statement that Frawley will play forward is ridiculous, seeing as Gunston, Roughead and one of McEvoy/Ceglar will play down there most weeks..

What is there to lose? Less than 2% ownership and I really hope he stays that way!

[ben_020285]

Why do you think Gibson will take the best forward each week? Frawley has come to Hawthorn for a purpose, and with Lake and Stratton you have the oppositions three best forwards covered, which allows Gibson the freedom to do as he pleases.

Add into the equation that you have already stated that Birchall is the best rebounder and we all know is more likely to curbed by a tag, so I don't really see where Gibson will find any hassles?

He is an unbelievable player at coming in third man up and spoiling (which SC rewards), and is very good at taking contested marks and being that link from FB to HB, where he possesses a beautiful efficiency to hit a target.

If he averaged 92 taking the first/second best forward behind Lake, imagine the points he could score having no responsibilities? Yes there will be some weeks where he will have to play on an oppositions best forward, but I can see that being few and far between, and the statement that Frawley will play forward is ridiculous, seeing as Gunston, Roughead and one of McEvoy/Ceglar will play down there most weeks..

What is there to lose? Less than 2% ownership and I really hope he stays that way!

One of the best posts I've seen on this site in a long, long time.

Gibson looks as though he will be playing a very SC friendly role this year regardless of who is in the team with him. The only real issue I can see is if one or two of Lake, Frawley or Stratton go down with injury which will make Gibson more accountable.

I don't think the addition of Birchall will have a particularly big effect on Gibson's scoring though.