NFL Season 2015/2016

[Jay]

Hahaha good luck, San Fran. If only there was some great coach they had a couple of years ago who they could have persuaded to stay rather than go back to college...

[plumdog millionaire]

Harbaugh lasted his stay at the niners, if he stayed any longer the team seriously could have imploded.

I'm liking the Koetter hire in TB, it's early but I'm predicting a winning record for them next year especially if they get a couple of guys in the secondary

Browns hiring Hue Jackson along with the new 'analytics' driven front office is a really intriguing story to me too.

[Mat0369]

haha w0w the 49'ers are making some shocking decisions, Johnny Manziel heading to the bay area next ;D

He's going to the Cowgirls. Match made in heaven

Scheffter was just saying Bradford is out of contract and San Fran could sign him ;D ;D ;D

Chip gets his running QB for his offense. Bradford has a relationship with Schumur. He either stays in Philly on goes to somewhere like the Browns.

Harbaugh lasted his stay at the niners, if he stayed any longer the team seriously could have imploded.

I'm liking the Koetter hire in TB, it's early but I'm predicting a winning record for them next year especially if they get a couple of guys in the secondary

Browns hiring Hue Jackson along with the new 'analytics' driven front office is a really intriguing story to me too.

Harbaugh was done there. No salvaging that relationship. He lost most of the players as well.

Bucs need an elite DC to be anywhere near a playoff team. It's not an isolated secondary issue but no cohesive unit at all

Jackson was a hot candidate considering he was hard done by in Oakland and what he could do with Dalton. However, Browns are going to Brown signing a baseball analytics guy for football

[plumdog millionaire]

Yeah Frazier isn't cutting it, 18th in Def DVOA this season isn't awesome when your offence isn't especially lights out. When you're starting the likes of Chris Conte, Sterling Moore and Bradley McDougald in the secondary a slight upgrade to average would go a decent way to helping McCoy, David and the rest of the front 7

[RiOtChEsS]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14571877/philadelphia-eagles-expected-hire-kansas-city-chiefs-offensive-coordinator-doug-pederson-head-coach ;D ;D ;D ah the sheagles :D

[Mat0369]

Welcome to 5 hours ago  :P

While Pedo was a terrible QB he's been a good teacher dating back to he's time with the Packers and working with Favre as he's back up. The more I read on the hire I don't mind it. He has a very good coaching brain and those that sit down with him are impressed. The sexy hire was Chip Kelly 3 years ago, just because they carry a name value it doesn't make them a good move. He will keep a few assistants like Fipp and word is Schwartz will be the DC. Pat stays as the OC to work with Bradford meaning Pedersen will have 2 former HC's on his staff for guidance (regardless of how good they were they carry experience) and Fipp is the best ST coordinator in the league. He comes from the Holmgren/Reid tree and a lot of these guys are all about preparation. Reid wasn't the sexy hire way back and was arguably the most successful coach in the history of the team. He has his shortcomings but the guy is a very good coach and can make crap look like gold, particularly at QB (check AJ Feeley and Kolb trades). I would rather him to old man Coughlin and his Giants vendetta. Look at Malthouse and Carlton....

[RiOtChEsS]

Welcome to 5 hours ago  :P

While Pedo was a terrible QB he's been a good teacher dating back to he's time with the Packers and working with Favre as he's back up. The more I read on the hire I don't mind it. He has a very good coaching brain and those that sit down with him are impressed. The sexy hire was Chip Kelly 3 years ago, just because they carry a name value it doesn't make them a good move. He will keep a few assistants like Fipp and word is Schwartz will be the DC. Pat stays as the OC to work with Bradford meaning Pedersen will have 2 former HC's on his staff for guidance (regardless of how good they were they carry experience) and Fipp is the best ST coordinator in the league. He comes from the Holmgren/Reid tree and a lot of these guys are all about preparation. Reid wasn't the sexy hire way back and was arguably the most successful coach in the history of the team. He has his shortcomings but the guy is a very good coach and can make crap look like gold, particularly at QB (check AJ Feeley and Kolb trades). I would rather him to old man Coughlin and his Giants vendetta. Look at Malthouse and Carlton....

yeah i see your point but an Andy Reid guy ;D if Andy Reid was so good why did they get rid of him...

honestly the organization seems like an insecure person coming off a long term relationship, they trust in the next person completely (letting Chip GM) and when it doesn't pan out they drop and run back to the last broken relationship, it's just "turrible" :D

[Mat0369]

Because when you have the same coach for that long eventually you need change. Andy didn't have his head completely in it because of what happened with his sons, he was loyal to a fault making our oline coach the DC (also in part to nobody wanting a piece of Washburn) and the roster was just mentally and physically depleted at that  point. A fresh perspective was needed on both sides and Andy has thrived in a new environment.  However in Philly you probably wouldn't have seen this, even with the talent on the squad.

Arians is the guy they should have got, he's the guy that I wanted considering what he did with the Colts in Pagano's absence. I was never happy with the Chip move, if you go back to my posts at the time you'll see that, but he did a pretty good job year 1 for a first year coach. Then the Jackson thing happened, followed by signs of his inability to evolve, the power struggle, terrible offseason as GM and an arrogance and smugness that showed he had to go as well.

The move is fine, Gase was never getting full control in Philly, McAdoo seems ok but nothing is better then Pedo, Hue Jackson seems like he could succeed but he probably wants to stay in Ohio as he signed before he's meeting with Philly. That leaves McDermott who has Rivera making him look good in Carolina much like JJ did in Philly, the old folks home in Shanahan and Coughlin  (Shanahan is cooked and Coughlin ain't the right guy considering motive.), Gunther and Austin are both defensive guys and the push is for offensive minded coaches with excellent D coordinators. I am just going to wait and see on the move, give the guy a shot and see how it transpires. At least I can buy a jersey now without worrying that our good players will get shipped off

[RiOtChEsS]

you make a lot of good points about his exit, when it's broken down it doesn't sound as bad, unfortunate he is a Reid guy in my opinion, going back to the same coaching tree feels pedestrian, playing it safe, i'd like to hear how the masses of Sheagles fans feel about that hire if it goes through, going back to a well that was dry...

[Jay]

Because when you have the same coach for that long eventually you need change.

[Mat0369]

you make a lot of good points about his exit, when it's broken down it doesn't sound as bad, unfortunate he is a Reid guy in my opinion, going back to the same coaching tree feels pedestrian, playing it safe, i'd like to hear how the masses of Sheagles fans feel about that hire if it goes through, going back to a well that was dry...

The thing is they wouldn't have hired Pedersen unless he ticked all the boxes and was the best available candidate in their eyes. He was coached by Shula, Holmgren,  Reid and Sherman and played with Marino and Favre at QB. Favre trusted Pedersen more then his QB coach for advice which is why Reid brought him in. He is as much a Holmgren product as he is a Reid product. But lets say we went with McDermott instead, the complaints wouldn't be as bad even though Rivera/McDermott are both JJ products under the Andy regime. Shurmur the same thing, he was part of the Reid coaching tree. If Harbaugh became available fron the Ravens and they gave him the job, same thing, coached under Reid. Pedersen is a coach in his own right, they haven't exactly signed Andy himself  again so you can't say it's a dry well.

[Jukes]

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[RiOtChEsS]

you make a lot of good points about his exit, when it's broken down it doesn't sound as bad, unfortunate he is a Reid guy in my opinion, going back to the same coaching tree feels pedestrian, playing it safe, i'd like to hear how the masses of Sheagles fans feel about that hire if it goes through, going back to a well that was dry...

The thing is they wouldn't have hired Pedersen unless he ticked all the boxes and was the best available candidate in their eyes. He was coached by Shula, Holmgren,  Reid and Sherman and played with Marino and Favre at QB. Favre trusted Pedersen more then his QB coach for advice which is why Reid brought him in. He is as much a Holmgren product as he is a Reid product. But lets say we went with McDermott instead, the complaints wouldn't be as bad even though Rivera/McDermott are both JJ products under the Andy regime. Shurmur the same thing, he was part of the Reid coaching tree. If Harbaugh became available fron the Ravens and they gave him the job, same thing, coached under Reid. Pedersen is a coach in his own right, they haven't exactly signed Andy himself  again so you can't say it's a dry well.

yeah fair enough

do you think he will be on a short leash? hypothetically if he goes 16 and 16 over 2 years does he get the axe?

[Mat0369]

yeah fair enough

do you think he will be on a short leash? hypothetically if he goes 16 and 16 over 2 years does he get the axe?

I don't know to be honest. I know Howie might be on a real short leash considering what's been said but we don't fire Pederson over 2 seasons unless a monumental F up happens. Lurie will be loyal to his coach unless they are a major issue (like Chip). It will also depend if they go the full 'rebuild' and or if we keep Bradford and try and contend right away. The way I see it it looks like this offensively and defensively

Agholor   Peters Barbre Kelce Tobin Johnson  Ertz     Matthews

                                         Bradford

                                    Sproles     Mathews

???     Rowe      Jenkins      Maxwell
Kendricks     Hicks      Barwin
Curry     Cox        Logan     Graham

I am assuming we go back to a 4/3 on defense for this.

Offensively we need 3 linemen due to Peters age, Celek will likely be a cap casualty as much as it hurts me to say that unless he renegotiates, WR depth because after Matthews and Agholor we have nothing. Huff should follow Chip to San Fran, Cooper is done considering how much cash he chews up for such little production, the next WR over that is practice squad caliber.

If Bradford goes that means we need a QB, we probably go and get a full back, Sproles could be another cap casualty considering age and they can save 3.5 mill cutting him, again, not another guy you want to cut but if you go full rebuild it probably happens. Murray and Mathews then split carries and we have something like 16+ mill tied up between Mathews/Murray/Sproles so we are stuck being able to add talent there.

Defensively we need to know what happens with Thurman, he will likely get squeezed out due to cash so my bet is he also ends up in San Fran unfortunately. He was one of the few bright spots of Chips signings. Carroll is the other guy, if he stays we might move Rowe to safety, if he goes Rowe might stay at corner. I think a lot depends on what works out better cap wise. Barwin is paid this year regardless, he might be a cut next season if he doesn't fit a 4-3, Ryans is gone, Kiko hangs around for one year as depth and tries to earn a payday, Curry hopefully gets paid which sees Thornton probably gone, Cox hopefully gets paid since he is our best player. If that's the defensive core we will lean on them while we build offensively through the draft.

So if worst case happens and we go full rebuild then he gets a while, if we have a best case scenario and the play of guys continues to regress over 3 seasons and we are in even worse shape then when we began, the trigger gets pulled and he goes. I think either way he has at least 3 seasons and the expectations won't be high to begin with. It will be compete within the division, build the locker room and try and help these young offensive guys in Agholor and Matthews progress.

[PowerBug]

Because when you have the same coach for that long eventually you need change.

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