NFL Season 2015/2016

[RiOtChEsS]

Olbermann just torching Brady n his agent, fkn hilarious ;D ;D ;D

n Jay it doesnt unmake him a cheater that he scored more with legal balls, it just means your a shower cheater :D

[Jay]

n Jay it doesnt unmake him a cheater that he scored more with legal balls, it just means your a shower cheater :D

Prove that he cheated, and then I'll listen. Point is that if you think using balls that are 0.3 below the legal PSI limit for one half takes away from his on field achivements, you're kidding yourself. And he's proved how good he is year after year ;)

[Mat0369]

*Wah wah, Brady didn't deflate his balls wah wah*

^Pats Fans

Cowherd made a solid point on the "probable" aspect of this today. Mainly because Tom very much appears to have lied and tried to cover up. The fact Cowherd gave is that Brady said he did NOT know a guy (I think affiliated with the team or equipment) and then later (maybe the same day?) after stating that, he had 4 phone calls totaling in over an hour of talk time to the guy he adamantly claimed he did not know.


So cowherd used relationships and divorce. Essentially if your wife asked if you were out with some skeeze and you said know, but your phone shows calls to some bimbo, she will assume you PROBABLY chested. She has ZERO proof. No video. No admission. Just her own speculation based off probable cause. And that people get divorced every day in this country over "probable".

Also restated that Brady is NOT getting tried for a CRIME, so probable cause/belief/circumstantial evidence/etc is plenty enough to "punish" him for the situation.

^
Logical people

[Jay]

Page 228 of the Wells Report: "In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain"

[Mat0369]

and the suspension is just as much for not cooperating with the investigation.

[Jay]

and the suspension is just as much for not cooperating with the investigation.

So he should have to bend over for every single request the "independent" investigator had? Suspending a guy for not handing over his PRIVATE phone is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

[plumdog millionaire]

As a Patriots fan, I have a few thoughts on the situation albeit I may, of course, be biased.

1. Yes, the Wells Report states that it is 'more probable than not' that balls were tampered illegally (Aside, even then the actual figures of PSI are not as well reported or accurate as they should be, considering this is a professional sports league with millions of $ at stake at any moment), and the evidence against the locker room staff, namely the texts, are damning (But may have been taken out of context). However I do not believe that it is 'more probable than not' (Which is the term used by the NFL to make a ruling) that Brady was behind this. One of the main arguments used was that Brady gave memorabilia and signed merch to these staff members - this is 'commonplace' among all NFL teams and low-level staff (Per Mike Reiss, who is pretty well connected in NFL circles http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4781236/turning-a-critical-eye-on-wells-report).

2. The punishment was way too harsh and doesn't make complete sense
- Brady suspended 4 games (More than Ray Rice originally) for something he wasn't proven of doing (Ray Rice had a bloody video!)
- Pats, as an organisation, stripped of a 1st and 4th round picks (Worth a tonne) for something that at worst, was between a player, and a few low-level staff members. Furthermore, Bill Belichick, and by extension the whole front office, was basically 'cleared' by the NFL (Whatever that means anymore) of any wrongdoing, so it's not like the whole front office conspired in this whole incident, however that's what the penalty shows.
- I understand a lot of the penalties that were handed down were in response to the Patriots', and their staff's, perceived lack of cooperation with the NFL, even when the organisation initially pledged otherwise. The way I see it is that it would be hard to expect the staff, or any other parties in question, to believe that the NFL would act ethically or fairly to the staff interviewed or investigated, given all the leaks that were released, lack of independence of the investigation, and Goodell's history of reacting primarily to public opinion.
- When this incident is lined up against other game-day related incidents, there seems to be some inconsistency to which ones are investigated and spent millions of dollars on, and which are not:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8604254/san-diego-chargers-fined-20000-failing-comply-game-official
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

There are a few other tid bits (Such as the poor handling by the NFL office of the whole debacle, the leaks that just kept getting released and the fact that the referees weren't suspicious at all that maybe something must have happened when the balls weren't where they usually were for '19 years' and were taken without their permission) that I'd like to bring up but I'll keep this short enough.

I really hope the appeal process goes in such a way to help reverse the exaggerated response by the NFL and their mishandling of the situation, and that these punishments will be reviewed and altered to truly represent the level of guilt and the nature of the evidence available to the NFL. Selfishly hope Brady's 'dream team' of lawyers comes through.

Sorry for the length and at times attacking language, but just needed to say a few things and to get it off my chest.

[Jay]

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

[plumdog millionaire]

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

Dream scenario is the Pats win the SB while crushing the Colts first game back  :P
But I think that winning the division would be enough to shut up the haters.

[Jay]

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

Dream scenario is the Pats win the SB while crushing the Colts first game back  :P
But I think that winning the division would be enough to shut up the haters.

Just do what I do mate, watch the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Makes you forget all about haters ;)

I can't wait for us to crush the Colts again. I also agree with us not raising the championship banner until Brady is back. Are you for that, mate? Great idea to me, because there's no Super Bowl without TB12. Shouldn't celebrate without him :D

[plumdog millionaire]

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

Dream scenario is the Pats win the SB while crushing the Colts first game back  :P
But I think that winning the division would be enough to shut up the haters.

Just do what I do mate, watch the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Makes you forget all about haters ;)

I can't wait for us to crush the Colts again. I also agree with us not raising the championship banner until Brady is back. Are you for that, mate? Great idea to me, because there's no Super Bowl without TB12. Shouldn't celebrate without him :D

Haha yes I've done that once or twice, but should start doing it more often hey :P

I don't know if I'm for that because it would majorly piss off the NFL, and Belichick doesn't strike me as the type who would do that, but boy, it would be one major boss ass move.

[RiOtChEsS]

n Jay it doesnt unmake him a cheater that he scored more with legal balls, it just means your a shower cheater :D

Prove that he cheated, and then I'll listen. Point is that if you think using balls that are 0.3 below the legal PSI limit for one half takes away from his on field achivements, you're kidding yourself. And he's proved how good he is year after year ;)

he brought the game into disrepute, defending him just makes u look bad, he acted guilty because he is guilty...

[Jay]

@Riot - sorry for defending the guy that brought my team 4 SuperBowls, who is being punished despite no actual evidence he did anything wrong.

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

Dream scenario is the Pats win the SB while crushing the Colts first game back  :P
But I think that winning the division would be enough to shut up the haters.

Just do what I do mate, watch the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Makes you forget all about haters ;)

I can't wait for us to crush the Colts again. I also agree with us not raising the championship banner until Brady is back. Are you for that, mate? Great idea to me, because there's no Super Bowl without TB12. Shouldn't celebrate without him :D

Haha yes I've done that once or twice, but should start doing it more often hey :P

I don't know if I'm for that because it would majorly piss off the NFL, and Belichick doesn't strike me as the type who would do that, but boy, it would be one major boss ass move.

I still get goosebumps whenever I watch that interception. Spewing I didn't have a camera set up to film my reaction to it :P flowering good times ;D

Anything that takes a stand against this ridiculously harsh punishment I'm all for. Agreed that Belichick would probably hate that idea - but I think it'd be cool. Funny that we lost one of the best defensive players in the league, and our QB for the first month and are still favourites to win the AFC ;D

[plumdog millionaire]

@Riot - sorry for defending the guy that brought my team 4 SuperBowls, who is being punished despite no actual evidence he did anything wrong.

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

Dream scenario is the Pats win the SB while crushing the Colts first game back  :P
But I think that winning the division would be enough to shut up the haters.

Just do what I do mate, watch the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Makes you forget all about haters ;)

I can't wait for us to crush the Colts again. I also agree with us not raising the championship banner until Brady is back. Are you for that, mate? Great idea to me, because there's no Super Bowl without TB12. Shouldn't celebrate without him :D

Haha yes I've done that once or twice, but should start doing it more often hey :P

I don't know if I'm for that because it would majorly piss off the NFL, and Belichick doesn't strike me as the type who would do that, but boy, it would be one major boss ass move.

I still get goosebumps whenever I watch that interception. Spewing I didn't have a camera set up to film my reaction to it :P flowering good times ;D

Anything that takes a stand against this ridiculously harsh punishment I'm all for. Agreed that Belichick would probably hate that idea - but I think it'd be cool. Funny that we lost one of the best defensive players in the league, and our QB for the first month and are still favourites to win the AFC ;D

Oh my god funny you mention that because I watched the game at a Foxtel watching party thing and there were cameras there for some reason, and one was focused on me for a good few minutes after the interception, almost got kicked out I was going nuts hahahaha

Yeah without a doubt, I even heard that they shouldn't play Brady for the Colts game so they don't make as much revenue on it :P
Legitimately isn't just about any one player with the Pats, it's the structure and culture (Queue haters: "CHEATING IS THEIR CULTURE"), that's the key to their success. Contrast to franchises such as the Browns.

[Jay]

@Riot - sorry for defending the guy that brought my team 4 SuperBowls, who is being punished despite no actual evidence he did anything wrong.

A flowering men.

To be honest, we're probably still going to win the division even without Brady not playing the first four games. But being stripped of a 1st round and 4th round pick? That's enough to significantly set a franchise back. And adding to that, the NFL RULEBOOK saying that tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine.

Punishment does not fit the "crime".

Dream scenario is the Pats win the SB while crushing the Colts first game back  :P
But I think that winning the division would be enough to shut up the haters.

Just do what I do mate, watch the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Makes you forget all about haters ;)

I can't wait for us to crush the Colts again. I also agree with us not raising the championship banner until Brady is back. Are you for that, mate? Great idea to me, because there's no Super Bowl without TB12. Shouldn't celebrate without him :D

Haha yes I've done that once or twice, but should start doing it more often hey :P

I don't know if I'm for that because it would majorly piss off the NFL, and Belichick doesn't strike me as the type who would do that, but boy, it would be one major boss ass move.

I still get goosebumps whenever I watch that interception. Spewing I didn't have a camera set up to film my reaction to it :P flowering good times ;D

Anything that takes a stand against this ridiculously harsh punishment I'm all for. Agreed that Belichick would probably hate that idea - but I think it'd be cool. Funny that we lost one of the best defensive players in the league, and our QB for the first month and are still favourites to win the AFC ;D

Oh my god funny you mention that because I watched the game at a Foxtel watching party thing and there were cameras there for some reason, and one was focused on me for a good few minutes after the interception, almost got kicked out I was going nuts hahahaha

Yeah without a doubt, I even heard that they shouldn't play Brady for the Colts game so they don't make as much revenue on it :P
Legitimately isn't just about any one player with the Pats, it's the structure and culture (Queue haters: "CHEATING IS THEIR CULTURE"), that's the key to their success. Contrast to franchises such as the Browns.

I think my exact words were "OH MY GOD HE INTERCEPTED IT" whilst running around the house like a mad man ;D honestly can't imagine a SuperBowl ever being as sweet as that one...

See I'm glad I've got another Pat fan on here with me now!! I'd definitely play Brady in that game though, Andrew Luck hasn't even got close to beating him.