NAB Cup Player Watch and Rookie Watch: Discussion Thread

[FactHunt]

136 Nathan Fyfe

130 Tom Sheridan

127 Michael Johnson

120 Chris Masten

117 Scott Selwood

96 Lee Spurr

95 Mark LeCras

91 Matthew Pavlich

90 Andrew Gaff

86 Cameron Sutcliffe

86 Lachie Neale

85 Chris Mayne

84 Jeremy McGovern

80 David Mundy

80 Patrick McGinnity

79 Stephen Hill

79 Luke Shuey

78 Dom Sheed

77 Matt Priddis

76 Garrick Ibbotson

74 Matt de Boer

74 Josh Kennedy

73 Shannon Hurn

72 Zac Clarke

72 Clancee Pearce

70 Matt Rosa

70 Michael Walters

66 Nic Naitanui

61 Luke McPharlin

61 Sam Butler

60 Sharrod Wellingham

58 Aaron Sandilands

57 Elliot Yeo

54 Max Duffy

53 Scott Lycett

52 Jamie Bennell

49 Jamie Cripps

48 Jack Hannath

47 Hayden Crozier

47 Connor Blakely

42 Tom Lamb

40 Brad Sheppard

39 Jackson Nelson

36 Danyle Pearce

16 Fraser McInnes

14 Simon Tunbridge

2 Tanner Smith

0 Nick Suban

[bottlemart]

Thanks FactHunt,

Fyfe's an absolute Gun.  I think he's the best selection out of everybody, on price I would pick him over Ablett, Rocky, Pendles, and Selwood, but all 5 are gun players.

Lachie Neale, just average today, but has had a great pre season.  Are there any danger signs there.

Clancee did enough at his price I think.

NicNat still a worry, hopefully he should improve on that when the season starts.  Cant have 66 at his price, would upgrade to Jacobs prior to R1, but still unsure on NicNat.   

[Money Shot]

Lamb letting me down :(
Think I'm going to look at Laverde for my F7 as if ASADA lays charges he could play a key role for his team!

[Mat0369]

Some guy who won 2 brownlows missed half the year plus preseason  last year lets not forget

Yup. He has another mate that has had calf issues as well.

Also when you look at the totals in terms of possessions and disposals, Carlton as a team ranked in the bottom of the league. This has a lot to do with game plan so the overall numbers are not going to be huge compared to the rest of the league. However when you look at percentages you get a better idea. 46% of Murphy's possessions are contested, he is not an outside player, he is a combo guy. Gibbs is at 43% and he improved his inside game last year. Just for comparison, Nate Jones runs at 41.8%, Rockliff at 41.5% and Pendles goes at 45.8%. Libba and Selwood are both at over 50% but the contested numbers are decent, they aren't just outside guys by any stretch of the imagination.

Outside run is what Carlton lack at the moment which is why they went out and drafted Boekhorst.

[Diesels Pups]

Crazy? Or, flowerING GENIUS
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Carlton supporters say he might struggle to push anyone out though. He's still a risky pick

Who's saying that? Cripps will play, and unless he has a bad spell, he'll play all 22. He's way ahead of Bell as far as i am concerned, so there's a spot right there.

[Mat0369]

Who's saying that? Cripps will play, and unless he has a bad spell, he'll play all 22. He's way ahead of Bell as far as i am concerned, so there's a spot right there.

There is no way he is ahead of Bell and Bell will probably play more flank and rotate through the middle anyway.

[RaisyDaisy]

I don't know who he replaces, but it's crazy to believe that there are 22 players in better touch then him

[Mat0369]

I don't know who he replaces, but it's crazy to believe that there are 22 players in better touch then him

The thing is you can't play a team of 22 midfielders

Once you get past the core 6, guys have to be able to play multiple positions to get a game. Look at the good teams and how they structure up, they have a core group of mids with a mix of inside and outside guys and then they have guys that can play through multiple positions.

[RaisyDaisy]

I don't know who he replaces, but it's crazy to believe that there are 22 players in better touch then him

The thing is you can't play a team of 22 midfielders

Once you get past the core 6, guys have to be able to play multiple positions to get a game. Look at the good teams and how they structure up, they have a core group of mids with a mix of inside and outside guys and then they have guys that can play through multiple positions.

Yeah I get that, but would still be surprised if he doesn't line up rd1

[The_Captain]

Cripps will start round 1. Was better than 20 of there 22 players on the field.... He will be a midfield rotation no doubt. These days you can play mids off half forward and half back anyway. Carlton won't finish top 12 and he will be able to get games in an average side at best...

[Mat0369]

The thing is if he gets a game and no vest round 1 it will be due to Walker being out or the sub. There is still a lot of risk to the pick and he could very well be out in round 3 and have the green vest in round 2. It helps that Carlton play Thursday and Friday night in both weeks so you can monitor how he goes but he is not a lock.

The other advantage is he is expensive for a rookie so if he doesn't pan out you can trade him to a cheaper rookie that is performing well

[Ricochet]

TMitchell couldn't get a game after a million possessions in the 2s. A lot more goes into building a side than just chucking in guys in form

[Mat0369]

TMitchell couldn't get a game after a million possessions in the 2s. A lot more goes into building a side than just chucking in guys in form

I was going to bring this up but then I could see all the Carlton are showerty and Sydney finished first responses

Guys like Cunningham and Lloyd aren't more talented then Mitchell, it just happens that they had pace or were more  versatile then Mitchell, while Mitchell was competing for a spot against JPK, Hanners, Jack and Parker

[The_Captain]

TMitchell couldn't get a game after a million possessions in the 2s. A lot more goes into building a side than just chucking in guys in form

This is Sydney we are talking about... They have amazing depth.. Also to be fair that competition is a disgrace the neafl.... Very average players rack up numbers there..,

[RaisyDaisy]

Guys like Cunningham and Lloyd aren't more talented then Mitchell, it just happens that they had pace or were more  versatile then Mitchell

I'm not so sure about that. I think Horse is more along the lines of if you're playing well you don't get dropped, and I guess that's the angle I hope Mick takes with Cripps

Either way, everything you're saying makes total sense, so only time will tell I guess