Guys if i start Goldy-Nic Nat....

[Mark]

Guys if I start Goldy and Nic Nat do you think I should start Belly in the forward line as possible cover still ??

As I could spend the $302,500 on a rookie oe M.Clark-Salem or anyone else you think would be better value

Please give advice

[MC]

Definitely not. Belly would be cover if you went with 2 low-priced, riskier rucks like leuey and kreuzer.
Belly is a liability in the forwards, won't  be top 10  and we don't know what his role is yet either

[ben_020285]

It's up to the individual but personally I don't think Belly is required with the Goldy/Nic Nat combo. I think Belly is a better idea if you have a more risky combo such as Leuey/Nic Nat.

It's a gamble to have no ruck cover but it's these sort of moves that can really pay off too.

You need to ask yourself what you are expecting from Belly too. Do you want him to be a keeper and eventually slot in as an F7 or are you planning to trade him out. Perhaps you will upgrade him to Ryder once he has adjusted to Port Adelaide.

For what it's worth, I'll be going either Goldy/Nic Nat or Leuey/Nic Nat. I will most likely go without any ruck coverage purely because I would never pick Belly if it weren't for his RUC/FWD eligibility and I don't think that's strong enough a reason to pick him.

[timtim]

Nah no belly needed. Since krooze went down I've upgraded him to a set and forget, while downgrading belly to Salem

[Ricochet]

If no rookie rucks pop up then I still would.
Based on history you can almost guarantee that any ruck combo will not play every game

[AaronKirk]

If no rookie rucks pop up then I still would.
Based on history you can almost guarantee that any ruck combo will not play every game

+1

And even if you decide to upgrade Belly and not keep him as F7/F8 come season end he will be the number one ruck and surely will average more than his price of a 56 average, making him a decent stepping stone.

[RaisyDaisy]

If no rookie rucks pop up then I still would.
Based on history you can almost guarantee that any ruck combo will not play every game

+1

And even if you decide to upgrade Belly and not keep him as F7/F8 come season end he will be the number one ruck and surely will average more than his price of a 56 average, making him a decent stepping stone.

AK you've changed your thoughts about Belly now I see :P

Agree with these guys. The way I look at it, if there is no cheap ruck option for the bench, its like having a midfield or backline with no bench cover too - and I would be gutted to have to burn a trade and trade out a premo ruck just because they are going to miss 1 week and I need to avoid a donut

I currently have Maric and NicNat as well as Belly in the forwards. Yes it might be a bit overly cautious, but at the end of the day I think Belly can average 80+, make me 150k and provide important coverage - all for a measly 300k. What I do with him is undecided yet - I might keep him all year or I might upgrade him because I imagine it's going to be cheap and easy to upgrade him eventually

[justaverage]

Id take him. At the end of the day you have options. Never know what will happen in 1 round let alone 23!

[AaronKirk]

If no rookie rucks pop up then I still would.
Based on history you can almost guarantee that any ruck combo will not play every game

+1

And even if you decide to upgrade Belly and not keep him as F7/F8 come season end he will be the number one ruck and surely will average more than his price of a 56 average, making him a decent stepping stone.

AK you've changed your thoughts about Belly now I see :P

Agree with these guys. The way I look at it, if there is no cheap ruck option for the bench, its like having a midfield or backline with no bench cover too - and I would be gutted to have to burn a trade and trade out a premo ruck just because they are going to miss 1 week and I need to avoid a donut

I currently have Maric and NicNat as well as Belly in the forwards. Yes it might be a bit overly cautious, but at the end of the day I think Belly can average 80+, make me 150k and provide important coverage - all for a measly 300k. What I do with him is undecided yet - I might keep him all year or I might upgrade him because I imagine it's going to be cheap and easy to upgrade him eventually

Yeah I have. At 300k and his history of scores with Ryder out of the side he'd be a good stepping stone or a bench keeper come season end.

Presuming he isn't suspended of course.

[dmac07]

I think not starting Bellchambers as cover is a perfectly acceptable risk depending on your ruck picks. If someone was going Kruezer and Luenberger you would need cover. If your going two of Nic Nat & Goldy I'd take the risk. I'm going with Jacobs & Nic Nat at the moment. Theres a risk but I went from Luey & Bellchambers to Jacobs & Salem/Clark, which gives me one keeper compared to nil, and guessing about 10-15 more points on field from the start too, so its a good risk/reward situation. If I have to use a trade then Im just using the one I saved by starting with an extra keeper.

[Holz]

Goldy I can see playing 22 easy, its Nic Nat im worried about. Sure he is a premium scorer but his body is still a little fragile, especially given the way he plays relies on his athletecism. Im probably going a nankervis, but im super nervous about it.

[Grufflez]

Goldy I can see playing 22 easy, its Nic Nat im worried about. Sure he is a premium scorer but his body is still a little fragile, especially given the way he plays relies on his athletecism. Im probably going a nankervis, but im super nervous about it.

As long as it doesn't happen in the early rounds he should rise in price fast enough to be a straight swap to another premo.
2010: 22
2011: 20
2012: 20
2013: 11
2014: 20 isn't as bad as people seem to think other than the 11 game year.

nah you don't need Belly with those 2.

[H1bb3i2d]

Goldy I can see playing 22 easy, its Nic Nat im worried about. Sure he is a premium scorer but his body is still a little fragile, especially given the way he plays relies on his athletecism. Im probably going a nankervis, but im super nervous about it.

As long as it doesn't happen in the early rounds he should rise in price fast enough to be a straight swap to another premo.
2010: 22
2011: 20
2012: 20
2013: 11
2014: 20 isn't as bad as people seem to think other than the 11 game year.

nah you don't need Belly with those 2.

It's those 2 games missed a year that are the killer though, would hate to have to waste a trade just to cover a couple of donuts. And then what happens when the guy you just traded in gets a rest the week later??

[dmac07]

Goldy I can see playing 22 easy, its Nic Nat im worried about. Sure he is a premium scorer but his body is still a little fragile, especially given the way he plays relies on his athletecism. Im probably going a nankervis, but im super nervous about it.

As long as it doesn't happen in the early rounds he should rise in price fast enough to be a straight swap to another premo.
2010: 22
2011: 20
2012: 20
2013: 11
2014: 20 isn't as bad as people seem to think other than the 11 game year.

nah you don't need Belly with those 2.

It's those 2 games missed a year that are the killer though, would hate to have to waste a trade just to cover a couple of donuts. And then what happens when the guy you just traded in gets a rest the week later??

My point would be that by starting a rookie instead of Bellchambers (and there appears lot of fwd rookie options),  you can start 1 more keeper in your side, and youve already saved yourself 1 trade by having one less player to upgrade. If you need to trade for cover later, well youve probably got a for more points in the meantime by having an extra premium.

[DPC]

Would Lycett be a better option than Belly?  He's $418k but, to quote the Player Profile thread:

Lycett is now the Eagles 2nd ruck along with Nic Nat.Eagles gave him a decent amount of games in 2014 to ready him and the team for life without Coxy,however Coxy may have retired from playing but is still with the Eagles as their ruck coach,which should be more than beneficial to him and Nic Nat.He should post some alright scores this year,he should ruck in tandem with Nic Nat and spend time forward as well.
Scores without Cox 2014
rd 13 GC 104
rd 14 Saints 89
rd 17 Lions 117
rd 19 Crows 68
rd 23 GC 108