Devon Smith

Started by ronl, February 15, 2015, 08:47:20 AM

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ronl

Must confess to not seeing that many GWS games last year, maybe a handful early on, and don't remember paying much attention to this guy, at all.  He ended up with some handsome stats though. Anyone taking him serious enough to start him over Delidio? or Martin?

Money Shot

Before the position changes he was my 3rd forward (Franklin, Martin, Smith) but now with the likes of Goddard, Delidio, Swan and even Ziebell there are too many choices that he wouldn't be a good enough scorer to compete with.

quinny88


fasttrack13

Quote from: Money Shot on February 15, 2015, 08:49:10 AM
Before the position changes he was my 3rd forward (Franklin, Martin, Smith) but now with the likes of Goddard, Delidio, Swan and even Ziebell there are too many choices that he wouldn't be a good enough scorer to compete with.

Spot on... Consider as POD as f4

djbics

I quite like Smith, finished the season with scores of 115, 115, 95, and 137, priced at 90, and should be a fairly significant POD.  Losing his DPP status is a blow, but I can see him going close to being a top ten fwd so am seriously considering him.

Everyone keeps saying that this is not the year to take risks in the forward line but I cant disagree more strongly.  If things stay as they are at the moment, I think you need to go strong and safe in defence, there are always more scoring rookies available in the mids so pretty much going to be GNR all the way there, so if you go set and forget in the rucks, somewhere along the line needs to be compromised.  To my mind there is far more value in the forwards available so this is where I'm going to try to save some cash.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Money Shot on February 15, 2015, 08:49:10 AM
Before the position changes he was my 3rd forward (Franklin, Martin, Smith) but now with the likes of Goddard, Delidio, Swan and even Ziebell there are too many choices that he wouldn't be a good enough scorer to compete with.

Quote from: quinny88 on February 15, 2015, 08:52:47 AM
Won't be top 10. Pass

AaronKirk

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2015, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 15, 2015, 08:49:10 AM
Before the position changes he was my 3rd forward (Franklin, Martin, Smith) but now with the likes of Goddard, Delidio, Swan and even Ziebell there are too many choices that he wouldn't be a good enough scorer to compete with.

Quote from: quinny88 on February 15, 2015, 08:52:47 AM
Won't be top 10. Pass


kilbluff1985


meow meow

What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.

Agreed.

Funny that's not what you were saying when you put him the trade table in WXV's! :P


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Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.


I looked into this... Most a team had was 7 players over 90.

djbics

Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.

Ward missed the last two games of the season when Smith went 95 and 137, he previously went a pair of 115's with Ward there.  Mumford, Treloar, Shiel, Greene, and Shaw played all four of those games, Coniglio is the only one who wasn't present.  Your point has definite merit to it, but I wouldn't say his scores are necessarily dependant on them, who's to say he wont hit 100 whilst the others drop?

meow meow

Quote from: djbics on February 15, 2015, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.

Ward missed the last two games of the season when Smith went 95 and 137, he previously went a pair of 115's with Ward there.  Mumford, Treloar, Shiel, Greene, and Shaw played all four of those games, Coniglio is the only one who wasn't present.  Your point has definite merit to it, but I wouldn't say his scores are necessarily dependant on them, who's to say he wont hit 100 whilst the others drop?

Whitfield and Scully weren't there either. Then there's Griffen too. Devon basically played as an extra midfielder when he went big.

djbics

Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 05:06:21 PM
Quote from: djbics on February 15, 2015, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.

Ward missed the last two games of the season when Smith went 95 and 137, he previously went a pair of 115's with Ward there.  Mumford, Treloar, Shiel, Greene, and Shaw played all four of those games, Coniglio is the only one who wasn't present.  Your point has definite merit to it, but I wouldn't say his scores are necessarily dependant on them, who's to say he wont hit 100 whilst the others drop?

Whitfield and Scully weren't there either. Then there's Griffen too. Devon basically played as an extra midfielder when he went big.

Yeah, I agree with the fact that he will be limited in his ceiling when all the GWS are up and going, just saying that he has scored well when the majority of available mids from last season were present (Griffen obviously not included).  If he is playing predominantly forward I can still see him average somewhere between 90-100 as the midfielders are more likely to take points off each other (clearances and possesions) while in theory Smith should get better opportunities up forward with any improvement in the midfield group.  All sounds good in theory, practice is another thing  ::)

meow meow

Quote from: djbics on February 15, 2015, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 05:06:21 PM
Quote from: djbics on February 15, 2015, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 15, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
What's been the most amount of 100+ players in the same team? 5 and a couple in the 90's? GWS have Mummy, Ward, Treloar, Griffen, Shiel, Greene, Coniglio and Shaw gobbling up a great deal of the points. That's not even including Whitfield and Kelly who should get better. Devon only scored so well because of injuries to the prime movers. Won't even match his 2014 output this year.

Ward missed the last two games of the season when Smith went 95 and 137, he previously went a pair of 115's with Ward there.  Mumford, Treloar, Shiel, Greene, and Shaw played all four of those games, Coniglio is the only one who wasn't present.  Your point has definite merit to it, but I wouldn't say his scores are necessarily dependant on them, who's to say he wont hit 100 whilst the others drop?

Whitfield and Scully weren't there either. Then there's Griffen too. Devon basically played as an extra midfielder when he went big.

Yeah, I agree with the fact that he will be limited in his ceiling when all the GWS are up and going, just saying that he has scored well when the majority of available mids from last season were present (Griffen obviously not included).  If he is playing predominantly forward I can still see him average somewhere between 90-100 as the midfielders are more likely to take points off each other (clearances and possesions) while in theory Smith should get better opportunities up forward with any improvement in the midfield group.  All sounds good in theory, practice is another thing  ::)

He did score well but he still needs to find another 10ppg from somewhere. With less mid time (and without kicking the winning goal) it will be extremely difficult. He'll have big games but all small forwards experience a bad game or two and Dev will be no different. I expect his output to be almost identical to Jamie Elliott's last couple of seasons. Gun player, decent but not elite scorer.

Jezza is the one that I'd look at for the reasons you mentioned. Not as a premo obviously, but could average 80-85 in the first half of the season and he's cheap!