British XV's - 2015 Discussion Thread

[kilbluff1985]

would vote for 4

[GoLions]

LF is correct - Here is the original Sportal Scoring

Kick    3 Points
Handball    1 Point
Contested Possession *    4 Points
Uncontested Possession **    2 Points
Tackle    3 Points
Hitout    1 Point
Clanger ***    -5 Points
Goal    6 Points
Behind    1 Point

*** Clangers include any blatant unforced error including free kick against, 50m penalty against, dropped marks.
As frees against were classed as clangers should we also increase them to -5,  Probably not in favour of that but happy with - 3.

I think Frees For are a contested possession as well? Which would mean we make them worth 4. I don't think having FF as 1 and FA as -5 is a great idea, but not too fussed either way.

[Rids]

LF is correct - Here is the original Sportal Scoring

Kick    3 Points
Handball    1 Point
Contested Possession *    4 Points
Uncontested Possession **    2 Points
Tackle    3 Points
Hitout    1 Point
Clanger ***    -5 Points
Goal    6 Points
Behind    1 Point

*** Clangers include any blatant unforced error including free kick against, 50m penalty against, dropped marks.
As frees against were classed as clangers should we also increase them to -5,  Probably not in favour of that but happy with - 3.

Of course there is always an exception to the rule which happens to be out on the full. These are not registered as free against but they are recognised as a clanger. I know we cant capture this in the scoring but it was always a question I posed when working at Champion Data.

-5 is too much for a F/A. Happy for it to be -3. The rest of the stats look fine to me. It is the same for everyone and won't be too much different to what we wanted anyways.

[Nige]

Heppell.  :( :( :(

Usually our captain under this kind of scoring system too (won both his Liverpool B&Fs under Sportal scoring).

Is it fair to assume we may have some kind of minidraft with the top up players for affected clubs, Ringo?

[Ringo]

Will be digesting possibilities over the next three days.

My initial thoughts  are that franchises with suspended players will be allowed to delist these players and then select from the left over players.  Methodology to be worked out including reinstatements after 12 months but for discussion here is what I am thinking:
1) Identify the players that are now suspended
2) Await the result of any appeals etc that may eventuate.
3) Conduct a mini draft for clubs involved based on finishing order,
4) Clubs to decide whether to participate or not and to nominate whether they will delist player drafted and reinstste suspended player for the 2017 season.

Open for discussion though

[Nige]

1 - The '17' players are already known pretty much, so identifying them is easy.

2 - I don't think there will be any appeals and if there are, I'm not sure they'll be successful. Prepare for the worst case scenario.

3 - Mini draft is fine, but I think the draft has to be somewhat conducted based on player value or something. This is slightly biased, but it's also because I think it's unfair to do it any other way. I'm losing arguably the best Essendon player (Heppell), my captain no less, and in finishing order I'd get the last pick, aka the worst top up player of the bunch as compensation for losing the best of the suspended. Obviously not all clubs are affected, but the point still stands.

4 - I don't think there's any point delisting the player, nobody will want to do that considering most of these guys are genuinely good players (Heppell, Jobe, Hurley etc). Just keep them on the list like an LTI. It's kinda like how Collingwood are keeping Josh Thomas and Lachlan Keeffe. Essendon won't be delisting the playes either, so neither should we.

[Ringo]

I take the point on value of players such as Stanton and will try and devise a system and draft order based on this.  Will publish for discussion and agreement as values for some mid tier players will be subjective.

Also a valid point with lists so some teams may have more than 45 players on their list but at end of season will have to bring list back to 45.

Also with mini draft will need to wait till any top up players are identified as they should be included in the pool.

[Nige]

Dyson Heppell
Jobe Watson
Michael Hurley
Cale Hooker
Brent Stanton
Paddy Ryder
Michael Hibberd
David Myers
Jake Carlisle
Tom Bellchambers
Ben Howlett
Travis Colyer
Heath Hocking
Stewart Crameri
Jake Melksham
Angus Monfries
Tayte Pears

A rough, subjective ranking of the 17.

[Ringo]

Fair effort Nige but would look at each teams structure as well to assign value eg if Ryder is one of the teams say 2 rucks obviously his value to that team is more. Just as an example.

[Torpedo10]

I'm not sure how we avoided the carnage but we did.

I would be in support for each Essendon player to score their average from 2014 for every game of the 2015 season, with a rule against them being Captain/Vice-Captain.

^ That is the fairest option IMO,

[LF]

I am thinking of doing this in Americas.
Officially delist the player affected for the season and do a mini draft based on the players worth
Then at seasons end the players picked in the mini draft are delisted back into the player pool and each team gets their original player back so lists all remain the same size.

[Rusty00]

I am thinking of doing this in Americas.
Officially delist the player affected for the season and do a mini draft based on the players worth
Then at seasons end the players picked in the mini draft are delisted back into the player pool and each team gets their original player back so lists all remain the same size.

Yeah, this sounds ok.

My initial thought was, bad luck and treat it like a LTI. However looking at the teams affected, there are a couple with 3 of those players which is probably too unfair.

[kilbluff1985]

keep it simple don't need to delist anyone teams affected just go into a draft for top up players and the topup players get delisted at the end of the year

[Pkbaldy]

keep it simple don't need to delist anyone teams affected just go into a draft for top up players and the topup players get delisted at the end of the year

[iZander]

If you delisted a player because he retired but he comes back to be a top up player, does the team that delisted them get first priority or something?

iZander