British XV's - 2015 Discussion Thread

[Ringo]

Thanks Guys for starting this thread for contingincies.

Ultimate Footy even with custom scoring does not cut it the way I would like.
Do not want another comp directly mimicking either SC or DT/AF

I can set up my spreadsheets to accommodate a division by 2 or other factor. Will be little extra work but for the sake of the competition will have to be done.

My thoughts are and feel free to discuss AF/DT is the weaker scoring system of all so I think to be fair we should use a factor. I am suggesting divide by 1.8 as a way of equalising but am happy to see further discussions.

[Nige]

[Ringo]

Super Coach Scoring

Stat Description    Points Awarded/Deducted
Effective kick    4 Points
Ineffective kick    0 Points
Clanger kick    -4 Points
Effective Handball    1.5 Points
Ineffective handball    0 Points
Handball clanger    -4 Points
Handball receive    1.5 Point
Hardball get    4.5 Points
Loose-ball get    4.5 Points
Goal    8 Points
Behind    1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession)    2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession)    6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition)    4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition)    8 Points
Tackles    4 Points
Free kick for    4 Points
Free kick against    -4 Points
Hitout to Advantage    5 Points
Gather from Hitout    2 Points

AF/DT Scoring

Stat description    Points awarded/deducted
Kick    3 Points
Handball    2 Points
Mark    3 Points
Tackle    4 Points
Free Kick For    1 Point
Free Kick Against    -3 Points
Hitout    1 Point
Goal    6 Points
Behind    1 Point

So doing some analysis i think division by a factor of 2.3 is appropriate. Especially with the HO to advantage in SC I used 20 H/O for the game and only 6 to advantage and the difference in scoring in F.O of SC is 10 and we know that a good ruckman will no doubt exceed the 6.


Comments welcome from any one else who has done some comparisons.

Will be sending out a vote on a number of issues later tonight. Will include this option but will say factor to be determined,

[JBs-Hawks]

Just keep it simple. SC + DT divide by 2.

[GoLions]

Why divide by 2.3?

Ineffective or clanger possies are awarded points in DT/AF, but are either 0 or negative points in SC. Even an effective handball is worth more in the DT scoring system. It'd be terribly annoying to work out what factor to use here, so

Just keep it simple. SC + DT divide by 2.

[Purple 77]

I'd be good for 2.3, ringo does have a point about trying to make this competition more unique in terms of scoring.

tbh, I sorta think the difference between having (AF + SC/2) and pure SC in terms of points, would be so little that the extra work wouldn't really be worth it.

I think having a factor makes the extra work worth it, and little more unique IMO.

[Ringo]

Am happy with that if most agree and I have done a fair amount of analysis this afternoon based on a number of stats. - The only real discrepancy will be H/o to advantage in SC as I said above and that was the basic reason for the 2.3 when I did a lot of stats as SC scores were advanced quite a bit with new scoring, The factor of 2.3 brought it back to basic Sportal scoring.

[Nige]

SC makes us Worlds 2.0, DT makes us Euros 2.0.

SC+DT/2 is best as JB/Dave have said. None of this funky, complicated factor shower. Having the scoring system mentioned is unique enough, no other comp uses it.

[Memphistopheles]

I'd like to point out that this stage that Sportal didn't open it's game until very late last year because they changed to a Matchday format.

So there was no need for players to log in and set a team too early.

In fact last year we had this same debate and the game opened only a week or two before the season started.

[Ringo]

We are only 17 days out Memph so just getting a contingency in case they do not.  It was three weeks before last year so my ulcer rate went up a bit when still nothing.  Still hoping that they come to the party though.

[kilbluff1985]

yeah better to have a plan now instead of trying to do it in a week or 2

[SydneyRox]

Just a slightly different question.

If we go the combined DT/SC route are all the player positions the same across both comps? If not which comp are we going to base the player positions on?

[Nige]

Just a slightly different question.

If we go the combined DT/SC route are all the player positions the same across both comps? If not which comp are we going to base the player positions on?

Sportal was based on Virtual Sports and they're the ones behind DT and SC, I assume and hope we're stick with that.

All XVs use Virtual Sports positions as far as I know.

[SydneyRox]

Yeah, I wasnt sure if they were all the same?

So its only AF and UF that are different and change through the year.

[LF]

So I finally got an answer to the question I posted on their Facebook page.
They directed me to the RDT comp so it doesn't look good.
I however said I know about that comp and want to know about their weekly comp.
Hopefully they don't take long to answer that question.