Krooz, Leuey, Belly and the DPP Saga

Started by RaisyDaisy, February 03, 2015, 12:08:11 PM

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Ricochet

Quote from: brudski on February 26, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
Just a thought. With everyone start bello in their forward line as ruck coverage and a risk on leuy is anyone starting bello in the rucks and using the 50k else where?
I was starting Belly at R2 and leaving 200k on my bench for any rookie that pops up. But if none do I'll switch him fwd and start Maric

Mat0369

Quote from: brudski on February 26, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
Just a thought. With everyone start bello in their forward line as ruck coverage and a risk on leuy is anyone starting bello in the rucks and using the 50k else where?

If there are ruck rookies I will probably have him in the ruck, if there aren't I might swing him forward. I like my set up the way it is with him in the ruck and could just risk it.

RaisyDaisy

I know this has been raised by others previously, but I just wanted to discuss it a little more

The idea of going with 3 Eagles in the rucks - NicNat, Lycett and Sinclair on the bench

If you are going with a 2 premo ruck, say Goldy and NicNat, the difference between Goldy and Lycett is about 165k, but the difference between Cox/Read and Sinclair is only 140k, so that's an approx. saving of 25k

Now, by playing Lycett over Goldy lets say you lose 15-20 points a week, but seeing as you would no longer need Bellchambers in the forwards, you could turn him into someone like a Titch for an overall extra 70k or so once you factor in the 25k previously saved, and Titch should make up the points you lose from dropping Goldy

Def some food for thought. Not sure I would do it myself just yet, but something to consider

brudski

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 26, 2015, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: brudski on February 26, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
Just a thought. With everyone start bello in their forward line as ruck coverage and a risk on leuy is anyone starting bello in the rucks and using the 50k else where?

If there are ruck rookies I will probably have him in the ruck, if there aren't I might swing him forward. I like my set up the way it is with him in the ruck and could just risk it.

Im seriously considering risking it. With the ruck rule changes no one knows how this will play out with prem rucks. Leuy is a risky pick. That 50k difference between bello and leuy can be quiet handy

Mat0369

Grundy is another for those watching the game right now. What was killing him was his frees against

Nige

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 26, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
Grundy is another for those watching the game right now. What was killing him was his frees against
His frees against have always been a problem. The other one is Witts isn't playing this game.

RaisyDaisy

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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 26, 2015, 07:03:21 PM
I know this has been raised by others previously, but I just wanted to discuss it a little more

The idea of going with 3 Eagles in the rucks - NicNat, Lycett and Sinclair on the bench

If you are going with a 2 premo ruck, say Goldy and NicNat, the difference between Goldy and Lycett is about 165k, but the difference between Cox/Read and Sinclair is only 140k, so that's an approx. saving of 25k

Now, by playing Lycett over Goldy lets say you lose 15-20 points a week, but seeing as you would no longer need Bellchambers in the forwards, you could turn him into someone like a Titch for an overall extra 70k or so once you factor in the 25k previously saved, and Titch should make up the points you lose from dropping Goldy

Def some food for thought. Not sure I would do it myself just yet, but something to consider

Anyone have any opinions on this?

Lycett and Sinclair both have FWD DPP too. There could actually be times where all 3 play together, especially with Darling being injured, and that means we could put Cox/Read at F8, and then when all 3 play we can field or even loophole one of them in the forward line

I am really starting to seriously consider this approach considering everything I have mentioned here

Sinclair can sit at R3 with Cox/Read at F8, or I could even just get rid of Bellchambers altogether now, put Sinclair in the fwd line and if he isn't play just switch him to R3/F8 and field F7

Gigantor

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2015, 01:56:42 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 26, 2015, 07:03:21 PM
I know this has been raised by others previously, but I just wanted to discuss it a little more

The idea of going with 3 Eagles in the rucks - NicNat, Lycett and Sinclair on the bench

If you are going with a 2 premo ruck, say Goldy and NicNat, the difference between Goldy and Lycett is about 165k, but the difference between Cox/Read and Sinclair is only 140k, so that's an approx. saving of 25k

Now, by playing Lycett over Goldy lets say you lose 15-20 points a week, but seeing as you would no longer need Bellchambers in the forwards, you could turn him into someone like a Titch for an overall extra 70k or so once you factor in the 25k previously saved, and Titch should make up the points you lose from dropping Goldy

Def some food for thought. Not sure I would do it myself just yet, but something to consider

Anyone have any opinions on this?

Lycett and Sinclair both have FWD DPP too. There could actually be times where all 3 play together, especially with Darling being injured, and that means we could put Cox/Read at F8, and then when all 3 play we can field or even loophole one of them in the forward line

I am really starting to seriously consider this approach considering everything I have mentioned here

Sinclair can sit at R3 with Cox/Read at F8, or I could even just get rid of Bellchambers altogether now, put Sinclair in the fwd line and if he isn't play just switch him to R3/F8 and field F7

If I did this I would have to get rid of Cox/Read as I wouldn't want 2 non scoring players so early in the season and have Sinclair at R3 for injury cover for NN and Lycett.
Now if Darling and Mckenzie are both out for an extended period McGovern will play back and Simpson could use Sinclair as a permanent forwards though it didn't always work last year when 3 rucks played. If this happened you could go Cox/Read R3 and Sinclair in the fwd line.
But I would rather pay the extra 35K for Belly as I could see him out scoring Sinclair by 25ppg if all 3 Eagles rucks are playing.
So unless something major happens between now and first lock out I can't see myself changing my Premo/NicNat/Read/Belly setup :)

muggle25

Just glad to see my three eagle ruck idea getting some airtime!

Ricochet

Can't see lycett and Sinclair scoring well enough to be worth it

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Ricochet on February 28, 2015, 11:10:25 AM
Can't see lycett and Sinclair scoring well enough to be worth it

You don't think Lycett can average 90+ and Sinclair 80+?

I'd take those averages and guaranteed zero ruck donuts for such a cheap outlay

Most people think Lycett can go 90+, so he might lose 15 points per week vs Maric/Goldy etc but the 150k you save by getting him over them can be used to gain those points elsewhere

H1bb3i2d

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2015, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 28, 2015, 11:10:25 AM
Can't see lycett and Sinclair scoring well enough to be worth it

You don't think Lycett can average 90+ and Sinclair 80+?

I'd take those averages and guaranteed zero ruck donuts for such a cheap outlay

Most people think Lycett can go 90+, so he might lose 15 points per week vs Maric/Goldy etc but the 150k you save by getting him over them can be used to gain those points elsewhere

Individually yes, but not if both are in the team.

Ricochet

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2015, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 28, 2015, 11:10:25 AM
Can't see lycett and Sinclair scoring well enough to be worth it

You don't think Lycett can average 90+ and Sinclair 80+?
No I can't. Where does the 15pts improvement come from Lycett to consistently across the whole year hit a 90+ average. Expecially with the new ruck rules. His HTA% is only 19% which is the 4th lowest of the top 50 hitout winners (AFL Prospectus).

At Lycett's price he needs to hit a 98ave just to make 100k and/or average enough to be a low end keeper.


Actually thought Sinclair was more expensive than that, so yeh he would be a good option if his JS was solid. But not convinced

honza

Quote from: Ricochet on February 28, 2015, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2015, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 28, 2015, 11:10:25 AM
Can't see lycett and Sinclair scoring well enough to be worth it

You don't think Lycett can average 90+ and Sinclair 80+?
No I can't. Where does the 15pts improvement come from Lycett to consistently across the whole year hit a 90+ average. Expecially with the new ruck rules. His HTA% is only 19% which is the 4th lowest of the top 50 hitout winners (AFL Prospectus).

At Lycett's price he needs to hit a 98ave just to make 100k and/or average enough to be a low end keeper.


Actually thought Sinclair was more expensive than that, so yeh he would be a good option if his JS was solid. But not convinced
Cox!