Krooz, Leuey, Belly and the DPP Saga

[Ricochet]

Actually starting to consider Krooz + Leuey with Belly in the fwds. Thinking is that most top ruckmen's averages will drop along with their price. Which means if they have a quiet patch, they could have a reallllly quiet and drop significantly in price. Worst case, the guys with high HTA numbers will stay around the same price anyway. But yeh not 100% sold

NN and Goldy are both underpriced under the traditional scoring though so even if the top rucks only go 105-110 they should both be there. whereas these mid prciers might have gone 90 now they only go 85. dont make that much money but still need to be traded out.

Yeh their averages, but if Goldy starts the year like he did in 2014 then 89, 75, 98, 93, 89, 69 will be a lot lower and he'll drop bucketloads of cash. I know he hurt his should but its still happened so could have another lean patch. Or he could do the opposite and start with a bang :P

everytime he has rucked uninjured and as the sole ruckman he has scored 110+. Done that 3 years.

Yeh I know man but what I guess im saying is that most ruckmen will straight away drop in price due to the scoring changes. Now if they have a lean month within the first half of the year they will be even lower in price. I don't have any maths to back it up so could be completely wrong but just a theory

[H1bb3i2d]

Actually starting to consider Krooz + Leuey with Belly in the fwds. Thinking is that most top ruckmen's averages will drop along with their price. Which means if they have a quiet patch, they could have a reallllly quiet and drop significantly in price. Worst case, the guys with high HTA numbers will stay around the same price anyway. But yeh not 100% sold

NN and Goldy are both underpriced under the traditional scoring though so even if the top rucks only go 105-110 they should both be there. whereas these mid prciers might have gone 90 now they only go 85. dont make that much money but still need to be traded out.

Yeh their averages, but if Goldy starts the year like he did in 2014 then 89, 75, 98, 93, 89, 69 will be a lot lower and he'll drop bucketloads of cash. I know he hurt his should but its still happened so could have another lean patch. Or he could do the opposite and start with a bang :P

everytime he has rucked uninjured and as the sole ruckman he has scored 110+. Done that 3 years.

Yeh I know man but what I guess im saying is that most ruckmen will straight away drop in price due to the scoring changes. Now if they have a lean month within the first half of the year they will be even lower in price. I don't have any maths to back it up so could be completely wrong but just a theory

Mid-pricers will face the same drop in points. Sure they still have upside, but not as much. What if Kreuz has a lean patch? It's tough. In fact I've recently gone Goldy to Kreuz and Bennell to Gaz. Now I want Goldy back :( let's hope Mick realises Kreuz as first ruck will make both my team and his better!

[Ricochet]

Actually starting to consider Krooz + Leuey with Belly in the fwds. Thinking is that most top ruckmen's averages will drop along with their price. Which means if they have a quiet patch, they could have a reallllly quiet and drop significantly in price. Worst case, the guys with high HTA numbers will stay around the same price anyway. But yeh not 100% sold

NN and Goldy are both underpriced under the traditional scoring though so even if the top rucks only go 105-110 they should both be there. whereas these mid prciers might have gone 90 now they only go 85. dont make that much money but still need to be traded out.

Yeh their averages, but if Goldy starts the year like he did in 2014 then 89, 75, 98, 93, 89, 69 will be a lot lower and he'll drop bucketloads of cash. I know he hurt his should but its still happened so could have another lean patch. Or he could do the opposite and start with a bang :P

everytime he has rucked uninjured and as the sole ruckman he has scored 110+. Done that 3 years.

Yeh I know man but what I guess im saying is that most ruckmen will straight away drop in price due to the scoring changes. Now if they have a lean month within the first half of the year they will be even lower in price. I don't have any maths to back it up so could be completely wrong but just a theory

Mid-pricers will face the same drop in points. Sure they still have upside, but not as much. What if Kreuz has a lean patch? It's tough. In fact I've recently gone Goldy to Kreuz and Bennell to Gaz. Now I want Goldy back :( let's hope Mick realises Kreuz as first ruck will make both my team and his better!

Yeh but Krooz/Leuey/Belly are all priced at 65 or under. So to drop in price they'll have to post regular scores under that

They'll still make money and and bridge the gap between the premos

[RaisyDaisy]

With the new rules I don't see Goldy as being underpriced at all

Maric and NN represent the best value for money for mine, along with your mid price options

[H1bb3i2d]

Actually starting to consider Krooz + Leuey with Belly in the fwds. Thinking is that most top ruckmen's averages will drop along with their price. Which means if they have a quiet patch, they could have a reallllly quiet and drop significantly in price. Worst case, the guys with high HTA numbers will stay around the same price anyway. But yeh not 100% sold

NN and Goldy are both underpriced under the traditional scoring though so even if the top rucks only go 105-110 they should both be there. whereas these mid prciers might have gone 90 now they only go 85. dont make that much money but still need to be traded out.

Yeh their averages, but if Goldy starts the year like he did in 2014 then 89, 75, 98, 93, 89, 69 will be a lot lower and he'll drop bucketloads of cash. I know he hurt his should but its still happened so could have another lean patch. Or he could do the opposite and start with a bang :P

everytime he has rucked uninjured and as the sole ruckman he has scored 110+. Done that 3 years.

Yeh I know man but what I guess im saying is that most ruckmen will straight away drop in price due to the scoring changes. Now if they have a lean month within the first half of the year they will be even lower in price. I don't have any maths to back it up so could be completely wrong but just a theory

Mid-pricers will face the same drop in points. Sure they still have upside, but not as much. What if Kreuz has a lean patch? It's tough. In fact I've recently gone Goldy to Kreuz and Bennell to Gaz. Now I want Goldy back :( let's hope Mick realises Kreuz as first ruck will make both my team and his better!

Yeh but Krooz/Leuey/Belly are all priced at 65 or under. So to drop in price they'll have to post regular scores under that

They'll still make money and and bridge the gap between the premos

Oh 100%. But that gap is just the same, hasn't gotten closer because of the new ruck rule affecting the premiums. I think I've said this to you before and we're on the same page, but again, there are many other people now saying "well now I'll get a mid-pricer and wait for the premiums to fall."

[Dons]

I didnt know kreuz was 370k and burger 350k

that makes Goldy + Rookie a cheaper combo. you cant do that as goldy should smash both those guys by 15+ at least. even over half a season thats 200+ points which helps your ranking.

Assuming your talking about a cheap rookie ruck, definitely (I didn't realise goldy was sub $600k either...), but if one around the $200k mark plays, it's about even. I think Luey is actually one if the better rucks in the comp and will ave closer to goldy than 15 points, so by having Kruz with the "e" every week and making potentially as much cash as a rookie who is in and out of the side, the 200 points could be made up quickly if one of my other rucks miss 2 games, especially being a late out, and also by the (hopefully) extra cash made to upgrade to the best post byes. Another reason I'm considering this is i fully expect to have a donut for loopholing in defence this year, maybe not every week and not deliberately, but even the good back line rookies don't appear to be locked in the best 25 at this stage. 1 donut from my rd1 team I can stomach, 2 I'm not so sure...

[H1bb3i2d]

In my opinion, upgrading Kreuz ($450k) to a premium ($550k) will cost $100k, so an overall saving of $100k. That's on the lower end of what I'd like from a rookie downgrade, however in a year without an abundance of new team rookies, I think I might just bank it.

[H1bb3i2d]

I didnt know kreuz was 370k and burger 350k

that makes Goldy + Rookie a cheaper combo. you cant do that as goldy should smash both those guys by 15+ at least. even over half a season thats 200+ points which helps your ranking.

Assuming your talking about a cheap rookie ruck, definitely (I didn't realise goldy was sub $600k either...), but if one around the $200k mark plays, it's about even. I think Luey is actually one if the better rucks in the comp and will ave closer to goldy than 15 points, so by having Kruz with the "e" every week and making potentially as much cash as a rookie who is in and out of the side, the 200 points could be made up quickly if one of my other rucks miss 2 games, especially being a late out, and also by the (hopefully) extra cash made to upgrade to the best post byes. Another reason I'm considering this is i fully expect to have a donut for loopholing in defence this year, maybe not every week and not deliberately, but even the good back line rookies don't appear to be locked in the best 25 at this stage. 1 donut from my rd1 team I can stomach, 2 I'm not so sure...

That extra $200k would be better used elsewhere though. That's about 40 points per week. Or 880 points over the season. Or about 10 games worth of donuts you'd need to be covering to break-even. If you go mid-pricers, just use the money elsewhere.

[PowerBug]

If I'm picking Kreuzer, Leuenberger, Bellchambers, basically anyone in my 30 man squad, I'm not picking them on the basis that I expect them to get injured. So if I pick Kreuzer at R2, I won't pick Leuenberger at R3 incase of an injury, at most I will pick Bellchambers/Ryder in the fwds to be that swingman if something occurs.

If the risk of Kreuzer getting injured early is too high, then I spend money and get NicNat and Goldstein/Jacobs, and make a cutback elsewhere.

[RaisyDaisy]

In my opinion, upgrading Kreuz ($450k) to a premium ($550k) will cost $100k, so an overall saving of $100k. That's on the lower end of what I'd like from a rookie downgrade, however in a year without an abundance of new team rookies, I think I might just bank it.

Kreuzer is 370k

[Dons]

I didnt know kreuz was 370k and burger 350k

that makes Goldy + Rookie a cheaper combo. you cant do that as goldy should smash both those guys by 15+ at least. even over half a season thats 200+ points which helps your ranking.

Assuming your talking about a cheap rookie ruck, definitely (I didn't realise goldy was sub $600k either...), but if one around the $200k mark plays, it's about even. I think Luey is actually one if the better rucks in the comp and will ave closer to goldy than 15 points, so by having Kruz with the "e" every week and making potentially as much cash as a rookie who is in and out of the side, the 200 points could be made up quickly if one of my other rucks miss 2 games, especially being a late out, and also by the (hopefully) extra cash made to upgrade to the best post byes. Another reason I'm considering this is i fully expect to have a donut for loopholing in defence this year, maybe not every week and not deliberately, but even the good back line rookies don't appear to be locked in the best 25 at this stage. 1 donut from my rd1 team I can stomach, 2 I'm not so sure...

That extra $200k would be better used elsewhere though. That's about 40 points per week. Or 880 points over the season. Or about 10 games worth of donuts you'd need to be covering to break-even. If you go mid-pricers, just use the money elsewhere.

Understand and agree with what your saying, however I put about $200k value on a trade, or around that mark anyway. So if no rookie rucks get up this could potentially save a trade and make me say $100k over a non playing rookie. I think this is more valid if back rookies don't get up as well as no ruck rookies. With the changes in scoring and structure added to the potential lack of rookies, perhaps this will be the year to try a slightly different approach...

[H1bb3i2d]

In my opinion, upgrading Kreuz ($450k) to a premium ($550k) will cost $100k, so an overall saving of $100k. That's on the lower end of what I'd like from a rookie downgrade, however in a year without an abundance of new team rookies, I think I might just bank it.

Kreuzer is 370k

Yep. Goldy is 570k. It'll be about about 100k to do the upgrade. Hence 100k of savings.

I didnt know kreuz was 370k and burger 350k

that makes Goldy + Rookie a cheaper combo. you cant do that as goldy should smash both those guys by 15+ at least. even over half a season thats 200+ points which helps your ranking.

Assuming your talking about a cheap rookie ruck, definitely (I didn't realise goldy was sub $600k either...), but if one around the $200k mark plays, it's about even. I think Luey is actually one if the better rucks in the comp and will ave closer to goldy than 15 points, so by having Kruz with the "e" every week and making potentially as much cash as a rookie who is in and out of the side, the 200 points could be made up quickly if one of my other rucks miss 2 games, especially being a late out, and also by the (hopefully) extra cash made to upgrade to the best post byes. Another reason I'm considering this is i fully expect to have a donut for loopholing in defence this year, maybe not every week and not deliberately, but even the good back line rookies don't appear to be locked in the best 25 at this stage. 1 donut from my rd1 team I can stomach, 2 I'm not so sure...

That extra $200k would be better used elsewhere though. That's about 40 points per week. Or 880 points over the season. Or about 10 games worth of donuts you'd need to be covering to break-even. If you go mid-pricers, just use the money elsewhere.

Understand and agree with what your saying, however I put about $200k value on a trade, or around that mark anyway. So if no rookie rucks get up this could potentially save a trade and make me say $100k over a non playing rookie. I think this is more valid if back rookies don't get up as well as no ruck rookies. With the changes in scoring and structure added to the potential lack of rookies, perhaps this will be the year to try a slightly different approach...

200k? Wowie!!

Here's my scenario.

Goldy, Bennell, "Laverde(MID)". "Laverde" peaks at $380k, needs $300k to be upgraded to Gaz (680k).

-or-

Kreuz, Ablett, "Laverde(FWD)". "Laverde" needs 100k to upgrade to Bennell ($480k). Kreuz (450k) requires 100k to upgrade to Goldy (550k).

Option 2 uses 1 extra trade but saves 100k. Or, option 1 saves a trade, but that trade is needed to make 100k. I'd rather bank that money now, because $100k round one is worth $200k come round 12 - twice as long in my team nets twice as many points, no?

("Laverde" is just any DPP mid, and how much they peak at is irrelevant. All premiums there are about 30k below starting price, that's a reasonable upgrade price, no?)

[H1bb3i2d]

Of course, you can apply that to any scenario. It's 100k vs a trade. Some downgrades make $200k+, others less than 150k. At the end of the day, you'll probably have to make at least just ONE trade that nets say, only $80k, to a rookie with dodgy JS, because there are no others around at a time when you need that money. But I don't need to make that trade, because I don't need that extra $100k now, because I saved it at the start.

That's my long logic, anyway.

[Dons]

Of course, you can apply that to any scenario. It's 100k vs a trade. Some downgrades make $200k+, others less than 150k. At the end of the day, you'll probably have to make at least just ONE trade that nets say, only $80k, to a rookie with dodgy JS, because there are no others around at a time when you need that money. But I don't need to make that trade, because I don't need that extra $100k now, because I saved it at the start.

That's my long logic, anyway.

I'll no doubt make plenty of trades where I make far less than $100k mate, but my original thoughts were based on there bring no ruck rookies (or ones that don't make money), and enough fwd <$200k options whose points could match the output of a $350k player, in effect evening out having $350k on my bench. If rookie rucks and defenders turn up, the idea is null and void. I almost hope they don't just to make things more interesting...

[H1bb3i2d]

Of course, you can apply that to any scenario. It's 100k vs a trade. Some downgrades make $200k+, others less than 150k. At the end of the day, you'll probably have to make at least just ONE trade that nets say, only $80k, to a rookie with dodgy JS, because there are no others around at a time when you need that money. But I don't need to make that trade, because I don't need that extra $100k now, because I saved it at the start.

That's my long logic, anyway.

I'll no doubt make plenty of trades where I make far less than $100k mate, but my original thoughts were based on there bring no ruck rookies (or ones that don't make money), and enough fwd <$200k options whose points could match the output of a $350k player, in effect evening out having $350k on my bench. If rookie rucks and defenders turn up, the idea is null and void. I almost hope they don't just to make things more interesting...

I totally understand the idea of at least having someone there making money, however, once you crunch the numbers, if you invest in someone $200k more than someone making no money, you'd want them to have made double that by the halfway point of the season. Ie, take the $200k and use it now, or take the $400k at round 12 with half the time to use it. It's a great idea, but Belly won't hit $500k sadly.