Krooz, Leuey, Belly and the DPP Saga

[Bully]

I like Giles, but I feel like he is getting overrated around here

He couldn't get a game for Port, and when Mummy was fit he barely got games but all of a sudden he's a walk up starter number 1 ruck at Essendon?

He will play, I don't argue that, but to think that he will impact Belly is just a bit hard for me believe

I don't care whether it's ruck or forward, Belly is best 22, and that's all I need for 300k with his potential

Most rucks don't develop until they are mid 20's, that is when Giles got his starting gig at the Giants so he started playing consistent footy around the right age.

Also in terms of not getting games when Mummy was fit, when you have Cameron, Patton, Boyd, Tomlinson, Stewart etc. as potential KPP's you get games into them. Giles is a more natural ruck and since Mummy is a guy more then capable of shouldering the ruck on his own they had him do that and played the young guys. You can't compare trying to supersede Mummy who is one of the premier rucks in the comp to playing alongside Bellchambers

It's all irrelevant

Bellchambers is best 22, provides ruck cover and has the potential to average 75-90.

That's all I care about

Correct, Giles isn't all he's cracked up to be either, there's every chance he'll find himself in the reserves if he dishes up the same rubbish that he dished up last season. Belly is guaranteed to make cash, he'll outperform all the other rookies, he'll provide cover in the event a ruck goes down and he provides a handy loophole option if a forward bench player kills it - all this for 300k.

[H1bb3i2d]

I remember the game where GWS were slaughtered by the Tiges and Giles was absolutely hammered at every centre bounce (which were quite frequent) by Maric. I've never seen such a one-sided duel between 2 genuine ruckmen.

[Bully]

I remember the game where GWS were slaughtered by the Tiges and Giles was absolutely hammered at every centre bounce (which were quite frequent) by Maric. I've never seen such a one-sided duel between 2 genuine ruckmen.

It was actually Hampson who slaughtered both Mummy & Giles, possibly his best game for the year. That particular day Giles managed 9 hit outs and 28 SC points.

[H1bb3i2d]

I remember the game where GWS were slaughtered by the Tiges and Giles was absolutely hammered at every centre bounce (which were quite frequent) by Maric. I've never seen such a one-sided duel between 2 genuine ruckmen.

It was actually Hampson who slaughtered both Mummy & Giles, possibly his best game for the year. That particular day Giles managed 9 hit outs and 28 SC points.

Boy, it was too. At least Mummy still managed 20 HOs that day.

[RaisyDaisy]

Interesting Ruck Cover article

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-2015-what-ruck-changes-mean-and-who-to-pick/story-fni5f3gz-1227209409376

As we know, the new change to the rules means all rucks except Sauce are over-priced

NicNat and Kruezer or Goldy/Maric and NicNat look like the safest set ups to go with, or shelling out and starting Sauce

For me it's either NicNat and Kreuzer or Maric and NicNat

[Sabretooth Tigers]

 :'(
After riding Mummy and Ninat for the last 3 to 4 weeks I've switched to Nicnat and Kreuzer and I reckon at least 60% of coaches may end up going this way. Would want to change it somehow though after viewing the NAB.    :(

[Bully]

If Belly gets rubbed out things will get very interesting indeed. Ryder won't be an option either.

[AaronKirk]

Haven't read the article yet.

Any mention of Mumford at R1 with Lobb R3?

[RaisyDaisy]

Haven't read the article yet.

Any mention of Mumford at R1 with Lobb R3?

Nope

And Mumford not mentioned in the Top 5 rucks for HTA since 2012 too.

Instead of 3 points for a HTA and 1 for HA, it's now 5 for HTA and 0 for HA, and since 2012 the Top 5 are Hampson, Sauce, Goldy, Maric and NicNat.

[AaronKirk]

Haven't read the article yet.

Any mention of Mumford at R1 with Lobb R3?

Nope

And Mumford not mentioned in the Top 5 rucks for HTA since 2012 too.

Instead of 3 points for a HTA and 1 for HA, it's now 5 for HTA and 0 for HA, and since 2012 the Top 5 are Hampson, Sauce, Goldy, Maric and NicNat.

Doesn't take into account the stuff done on the ground level, which Mummy showers all over the 5 mentioned. Nic Nat gets close when fully up and running.

[Bones Bombers]

Haven't read the article yet.

Any mention of Mumford at R1 with Lobb R3?

Nope

And Mumford not mentioned in the Top 5 rucks for HTA since 2012 too.

Instead of 3 points for a HTA and 1 for HA, it's now 5 for HTA and 0 for HA, and since 2012 the Top 5 are Hampson, Sauce, Goldy, Maric and NicNat.

Doesn't take into account the stuff done on the ground level, which Mummy showers all over the 5 mentioned. Nic Nat gets close when fully up and running.

But the points for that aren't changing, only the hit outs. So it can be said his average will drop. May still be higher than the others though.

[AaronKirk]

Haven't read the article yet.

Any mention of Mumford at R1 with Lobb R3?

Nope

And Mumford not mentioned in the Top 5 rucks for HTA since 2012 too.

Instead of 3 points for a HTA and 1 for HA, it's now 5 for HTA and 0 for HA, and since 2012 the Top 5 are Hampson, Sauce, Goldy, Maric and NicNat.

Doesn't take into account the stuff done on the ground level, which Mummy showers all over the 5 mentioned. Nic Nat gets close when fully up and running.

But the points for that aren't changing, only the hit outs. So it can be said his average will drop. May still be higher than the others though.

If his HTA isn't as good as Sauce or Goldy then the presumption would be that he won't be affected as much by the new rules and potentially be a more attractive option. He still costs a lot though for a ruck.

[ben_020285]

My latest thinking is to just pick Nic Nat and Kreuzer without Belly up forward.

Then at around round 7, I'll get some RUC/FWD premium coverage by bringing Ryder into my forward line just as he starts to his straps and hopefully a lot cheaper than his starting price after needing to adjust to his new side.

If Nic Nat or Kruezer get injured in the first 7 rounds then I'll burn one trade. I think I would have to be very unlucky for both to get injured and having to use two or more trades.

This plan has its risks but having the extra 180k to spend elsewhere and not having to feel uncomfortable with Belly in my side makes it feel worth it.

[Hoggyz_a_legend]

My latest thinking is to just pick Nic Nat and Kreuzer without Belly up forward.

Then at around round 7, I'll get some RUC/FWD premium coverage by bringing Ryder into my forward line just as he starts to his straps and hopefully a lot cheaper than his starting price after needing to adjust to his new side.

If Nic Nat or Kruezer get injured in the first 7 rounds then I'll burn one trade. I think I would have to be very unlucky for both to get injured and having to use two or more trades.

This plan has its risks but having the extra 180k to spend elsewhere and not having to feel uncomfortable with Belly in my side makes it feel worth it.

This is what i'm planning on doing too. If Kreuz can avg 90 til his bye, then it will probably be time to trade him up.

[RaisyDaisy]

If his HTA isn't as good as Sauce or Goldy then the presumption would be that he won't be affected as much by the new rules and potentially be a more attractive option. He still costs a lot though for a ruck.

I don't understand what you're saying here AK. If his HTA isn't as good, he will no longer be getting 1 point for every HO

I agree his ground work is superior to any other ruck, tackles and applies pressure like a monster, but if a large chunk of his hitouts are not to advantage, he is losing a point for every one of them. If we assume that he is getting 2 extra points for a HTA but now no longer getting a point for a HO, and say he's HTA is 25% he would still be losing 1 point for every HTA

I'll try and explain that clearer. 25% in 2014 was 1 in 4, so 1,1,1,3 = 6 but now it's 0,0,0,5 = 5. If he gets 30-40 hit outs per game, that could be 5-7 ppg shaved off his average