Krooz, Leuey, Belly and the DPP Saga

[Goosey]

I think the only real answer was one I saw earlier, pick Kreuzer, Luenberger and Bellchambers as R1, 2 & 3!

That's an extra $200k on your pine. That should net you about 40 points per week on the field. 22 games, that's about 880 points... Belly should average about 88 points... that's what, 10 games? Doubt you'll be needing him to cover 10 donuts, and that's just to break even..! 11 donuts, well that's now half the season...

Yeah, it's a luxury I know, and therefore not an option!

[blue]

I think the only real answer was one I saw earlier, pick Kreuzer, Luenberger and Bellchambers as R1, 2 & 3!

That's an extra $200k on your pine. That should net you about 40 points per week on the field. 22 games, that's about 880 points... Belly should average about 88 points... that's what, 10 games? Doubt you'll be needing him to cover 10 donuts, and that's just to break even..! 11 donuts, well that's now half the season...

Yeah, it's a luxury I know, and therefore not an option!

The other way to look at it is
Goldy and Nik Nat + Cox  Vs kreuzer, leuenburger, Bellchambers.
Have not done the math, but surly for a few thousand you get pease of mind

[eaglesman]

I will pick Kruezer if he is looking like playing 60% ruck and no warnock and wood in the side

[RaisyDaisy]

I've currently got NicNat and Krooz with Belly in the forwards, and I've got the option of making a downgrade elsewhere to turn Krooz into Goldy/Maric

Either way I'm keeping Belly for cover and cash generation

[quinny88]

Wish I didn't read through this! Now I'm tempted to get Kreuzer and Belly back into my side.

The problem for me is that I don't want to go one without the other.
A Nicnat/Kreuzer combo with no Belly coverage is unsettling so I would definitely want to get both.

I don't care what either of them do in the nab challenge, my decision will be made in weather they are the only rucks named in their team for round 1. If either one of them isn't then I'll resort back to Goldy/NicNat

[H1bb3i2d]

I think the only real answer was one I saw earlier, pick Kreuzer, Luenberger and Bellchambers as R1, 2 & 3!

That's an extra $200k on your pine. That should net you about 40 points per week on the field. 22 games, that's about 880 points... Belly should average about 88 points... that's what, 10 games? Doubt you'll be needing him to cover 10 donuts, and that's just to break even..! 11 donuts, well that's now half the season...

Yeah, it's a luxury I know, and therefore not an option!

The other way to look at it is
Goldy and Nik Nat + Cox  Vs kreuzer, leuenburger, Bellchambers.
Have not done the math, but surly for a few thousand you get pease of mind

The maths is right there^, a few hundred thousand loses you a whole lot of points, you'd need him to be covering a donut for half the season to be a winner. Belly at R3 just isn't an option, it's Belly FWD or not at all (or maybe R2 even)

[PICCOLLO]

Beware of Kreuz, Malthouse has indicated that he will spend more time up forward this year.

Leuey is a pure ruckman so he's every chance to play as the clear number 1, he is more than capable of averaging 100. Martin can still play as a tall midfielder, his hit outs weren't that special to start with.

As for back-up, tough call, the only fail safe method is to spend 1 million on Kreuz, Leuey & Belly (playing Belly as a permanent R3).

Stefan Martin is being groomed to play soley ruck/ on the ball this year. Leuy will be fwd and prob take the odd centre bounce and fwd ruck work. He's a no for me. Id consider Martin first.

[Ricochet]

Beware of Kreuz, Malthouse has indicated that he will spend more time up forward this year.

Leuey is a pure ruckman so he's every chance to play as the clear number 1, he is more than capable of averaging 100. Martin can still play as a tall midfielder, his hit outs weren't that special to start with.

As for back-up, tough call, the only fail safe method is to spend 1 million on Kreuz, Leuey & Belly (playing Belly as a permanent R3).

Stefan Martin is being groomed to play soley ruck/ on the ball this year. Leuy will be fwd and prob take the odd centre bounce and fwd ruck work. He's a no for me. Id consider Martin first.

source? Martin is a terrible tap ruckman. Find that hard to believe

[GoLions]

Beware of Kreuz, Malthouse has indicated that he will spend more time up forward this year.

Leuey is a pure ruckman so he's every chance to play as the clear number 1, he is more than capable of averaging 100. Martin can still play as a tall midfielder, his hit outs weren't that special to start with.

As for back-up, tough call, the only fail safe method is to spend 1 million on Kreuz, Leuey & Belly (playing Belly as a permanent R3).

Stefan Martin is being groomed to play soley ruck/ on the ball this year. Leuy will be fwd and prob take the odd centre bounce and fwd ruck work. He's a no for me. Id consider Martin first.

source? Martin is a terrible tap ruckman. Find that hard to believe

Leuey has just been slowly worked into things so he's good to go round 1. If he's fit, he's our #1 ruck. Hell, if he's fit, he's #1 ruck in a lot of teams. Martin isn't a great ruckman, he just finds a lot of the ball.

[PICCOLLO]

Nothing truer than Martin being a terrible ruck but his intensity gives them essentially another follower around the ball.
From what ive been told, Martin is in their 22 and Leuy will be the guy playing more fwd.
For me, that means Leuy is a no go and Martin could well maintain his avg or close to, for 2015

[Mat0369]

Martin has also had issues with his body in the past. If Trent West is still sidelined until mid year then Leunberger's value goes up. He just can not be viewed as a keeper since the Lions will try and use him for stints in the forward line which will kill his scoring.

[Mat0369]

I think so, but you get the priceless addition of DPP cover

Mat: You must have ridiculously bad luck to have a ruck go down PLUS have SEVERAL forwards out all at the same time

Not really, it happened to a few people last year and I would say it is highly possible in the first 5 rounds. Suspensions happen and so do 1 and 2 week injuries. Players are sloppy at the start of the season and it shows. Both Fyfe and Rockliff were rubbed out last year in the first 2 rounds (Rockliff suspended at the end of round 1, Fyfe round 2). If teams insist on starting Clark and Hogan who have bath had injury issues last year along with guys like Buddy, NRoo, Goddard, Gray and Boomer that tend to either miss games through injury or suspension you better have some coverage or prepare to burn trades.

We have an M11 now, that's even better cash generation than a previous R3 ever was! I'll move my cash-generating rookie there and keep my R3 for loopholing purposes. Don't want to waste a valuable mid/forward spot on a donut. Even if Krak may get future games, it either wastes a cashcow spot if he doesn't, or loses a downgrade option if he does.

My point was that since rookie playing rucks will be so difficult to come by that you are better off getting the cash generation from that position while you can compared to having a dead spot on the field for the whole year. I would rather sit someone on my bench that looks like they will get games at some point compared and I can swing them around if injuries/suspension do strike more freely instead of being pigeonholed that I have to spend close to 400k for coverage in one position since the player I am sitting on the bench won't get a game ever. 

[PowerBug]

What's up with Jonathon Giles? Is he injured? Will he play?

[Mat0369]

What's up with Jonathon Giles? Is he injured? Will he play?

I would say he is their number 1 with Bellchambers spelling him and playing forward. Hird loved to use Bellchambers forward when he had both he and Ryder in the team. As I said before, they wouldn't have gone out and got Giles if they intended to play him in the VFL and Bellchambers has played that majority forward role before.

It will be interesting to see what his hit out to advantage numbers are because while people might see that average of 80 you may have to drop it down another 10 points due to the change in the ruck rule.

[Bully]

I've currently got NicNat and Krooz with Belly in the forwards, and I've got the option of making a downgrade elsewhere to turn Krooz into Goldy/Maric

Either way I'm keeping Belly for cover and cash generation

Ditto, this is non-negotiable for me.