Krooz, Leuey, Belly and the DPP Saga

[Mat0369]

Well argued, have got me back on the Kreuzer train.

We just have to see how much of the NAB he plays. If he plays early and often he is locked and loaded. If he only plays a game and plays forward I will avoid him like the plague because it means they have no confidence in his foot.

[_wato]

Looks like I'm back on the Kreuzer train. Hopefully one of Nat/Goldy gets injured (hate to say it but it'll make it worthwhile)

Although it does make me nervous that I could be losing points but Goldy + Rookie should = Kreuzer + Belly surely?

[RaisyDaisy]

Although it does make me nervous that I could be losing points but Goldy + Rookie should = Kreuzer + Belly surely?

I think so, but you get the priceless addition of DPP cover

Mat: You must have ridiculously bad luck to have a ruck go down PLUS have SEVERAL forwards out all at the same time

[_wato]

Goldy at best (110) + $117k rookie (55-70) vs Krezuer (90-100) + Belly (85)

[Vinny]

Kruezer will go 100+ if he is fit and plays ruck. If you take a look at his scores, he is a gun scorer when rucking alone.

[RaisyDaisy]

There hasn't been much discussion about what I initially raised in the OP

What are peoples thoughts on Leuey now that you know if he is a late out you wont be able to swing him with Belly?

I thought that was quite surprising, and he simply isn't even an option for me now. He would have to absolutely crush the NAB for me to change my mind

[Vinny]

Never considered Leuy tbh.

[Bully]

There hasn't been much discussion about what I initially raised in the OP

What are peoples thoughts on Leuey now that you know if he is a late out you wont be able to swing him with Belly?

I thought that was quite surprising, and he simply isn't even an option for me now. He would have to absolutely crush the NAB for me to change my mind

The Kreuzer option makes more sense, particularly if Belly is involved.

[H1bb3i2d]

I'll jump on Kreuzer if given the number 1 ruck! No-one doubts his scoring ability, just where Mick will play him. Leuey seems even more likely to play forward, since Stef is actually a good ruckman (unlike Warnock and Wood who shouldn't be getting games). Late outs don't worry me as much, I'll still take Bellchambers, unless of course an R3 pops up, I just don't see it happening.

If we still had a 4th ruck spot I can understand it because you would play your rolling donut for captains choices on that line, but with the 3rd ruck position actually needing someone available for points and cash generation it isn't worth it. 

We have an M11 now, that's even better cash generation than a previous R3 ever was! I'll move my cash-generating rookie there and keep my R3 for loopholing purposes. Don't want to waste a valuable mid/forward spot on a donut. Even if Krak may get future games, it either wastes a cashcow spot if he doesn't, or loses a downgrade option if he does.

[Goosey]

I just think that having Bellchambers in the forward line for possible ruck cover is not 100% foolproof if your R1/R2 is a late out. Also, if the R1/R2 out is confirmed on Thursday and you can use the swing, you're then facing the issue of having to play one of your forward bench players, who if its still reasonably early in the year, aren't going to be providing much input anyway. I am therefore, at this point, going with Goldstein and Naitanui and leaving Bellchambers out in the hope that a cheap R3 will become available, even if I have to pay more than a rookie price, at least the R3 doesn't require swinging from the forward line and leaving that line exposed. If you had the Bellchambers swing and made this move, I know i would still be tempted to trade to improve the gap in the forward line anyway!

I tell you what, this ruck structure change has definitely given us coaches something to muse over for the past month or so, and will continue to up to the first bounce!! Good luck finding the right balance!

I'd rather field Hogan that week and take his score then burn a trade because one of my rucks is missing a week or two

Fair point, but what if the ruck out is out for longer than a week or two, do you use Bellchambers and Hogan indefinitely or do you trade the ruck, what if Bellchambers gets injured, what if...

I still don't like the thought of picking Bellchambers and he gets stuck in the forward line early in the round and you can't swing him in the event of a late out. It just seems like a failed exercise.

But I don't profess to have the answer! Far from it, I don't think there is a right answer, unless a cheap R3 is available.

[Goosey]

I just think that having Bellchambers in the forward line for possible ruck cover is not 100% foolproof if your R1/R2 is a late out. Also, if the R1/R2 out is confirmed on Thursday and you can use the swing, you're then facing the issue of having to play one of your forward bench players, who if its still reasonably early in the year, aren't going to be providing much input anyway. I am therefore, at this point, going with Goldstein and Naitanui and leaving Bellchambers out in the hope that a cheap R3 will become available, even if I have to pay more than a rookie price, at least the R3 doesn't require swinging from the forward line and leaving that line exposed. If you had the Bellchambers swing and made this move, I know i would still be tempted to trade to improve the gap in the forward line anyway!

I tell you what, this ruck structure change has definitely given us coaches something to muse over for the past month or so, and will continue to up to the first bounce!! Good luck finding the right balance!

I'd rather field Hogan that week and take his score then burn a trade because one of my rucks is missing a week or two

This.

Also, it's not the late outs that worry me. It's the 1-2 week injuries that can easily be covered. If you have no cover and need to trade for a 2-3 week injury, then your replacement misses a game or 2, man, you'll lose a not of points and not be happy.

Again, fair point, the short term injury is always the big conundrum, what if Hogan only gets a couple of games, or for that matter, whatever rookies you have in your forward line, and by moving Bellchambers to the ruck it exposes holes up forward, all hypotheticals I know.

I think the only real answer was one I saw earlier, pick Kreuzer, Luenberger and Bellchambers as R1, 2 & 3!

[H1bb3i2d]

I just think that having Bellchambers in the forward line for possible ruck cover is not 100% foolproof if your R1/R2 is a late out. Also, if the R1/R2 out is confirmed on Thursday and you can use the swing, you're then facing the issue of having to play one of your forward bench players, who if its still reasonably early in the year, aren't going to be providing much input anyway. I am therefore, at this point, going with Goldstein and Naitanui and leaving Bellchambers out in the hope that a cheap R3 will become available, even if I have to pay more than a rookie price, at least the R3 doesn't require swinging from the forward line and leaving that line exposed. If you had the Bellchambers swing and made this move, I know i would still be tempted to trade to improve the gap in the forward line anyway!

I tell you what, this ruck structure change has definitely given us coaches something to muse over for the past month or so, and will continue to up to the first bounce!! Good luck finding the right balance!

I'd rather field Hogan that week and take his score then burn a trade because one of my rucks is missing a week or two

Fair point, but what if the ruck out is out for longer than a week or two, do you use Bellchambers and Hogan indefinitely or do you trade the ruck, what if Bellchambers gets injured, what if...

I still don't like the thought of picking Bellchambers and he gets stuck in the forward line early in the round and you can't swing him in the event of a late out. It just seems like a failed exercise.

But I don't profess to have the answer! Far from it, I don't think there is a right answer, unless a cheap R3 is available.

Exactly. You do make great points. But that's the part people have to understand - are they content covering the 1-2 week injuries, or are late-outs a deal-breaker? For me they're not. For others, they might be. We can't help that unless an R3 does come along.

Anyway, most late outs occur late in the year, hopefully by then I'll have Belly at R3/F7, so can just chuck the 'E' one him if there are any rumours and the other 'E' on my F8.

Of course, if an R3 does come along, I may well play Belly at R2. Think he'll make more than Kreuz and Leuey anyway!!!!

[Goosey]

There hasn't been much discussion about what I initially raised in the OP

What are peoples thoughts on Leuey now that you know if he is a late out you wont be able to swing him with Belly?

I thought that was quite surprising, and he simply isn't even an option for me now. He would have to absolutely crush the NAB for me to change my mind

Well I guess it meas you have to decide either taking Leuenberger in the rucks or Bellchambers up forward, having both isn't worth it.

[Goosey]

I just think that having Bellchambers in the forward line for possible ruck cover is not 100% foolproof if your R1/R2 is a late out. Also, if the R1/R2 out is confirmed on Thursday and you can use the swing, you're then facing the issue of having to play one of your forward bench players, who if its still reasonably early in the year, aren't going to be providing much input anyway. I am therefore, at this point, going with Goldstein and Naitanui and leaving Bellchambers out in the hope that a cheap R3 will become available, even if I have to pay more than a rookie price, at least the R3 doesn't require swinging from the forward line and leaving that line exposed. If you had the Bellchambers swing and made this move, I know i would still be tempted to trade to improve the gap in the forward line anyway!

I tell you what, this ruck structure change has definitely given us coaches something to muse over for the past month or so, and will continue to up to the first bounce!! Good luck finding the right balance!

I'd rather field Hogan that week and take his score then burn a trade because one of my rucks is missing a week or two

Fair point, but what if the ruck out is out for longer than a week or two, do you use Bellchambers and Hogan indefinitely or do you trade the ruck, what if Bellchambers gets injured, what if...

I still don't like the thought of picking Bellchambers and he gets stuck in the forward line early in the round and you can't swing him in the event of a late out. It just seems like a failed exercise.

But I don't profess to have the answer! Far from it, I don't think there is a right answer, unless a cheap R3 is available.

Exactly. You do make great points. But that's the part people have to understand - are they content covering the 1-2 week injuries, or are late-outs a deal-breaker? For me they're not. For others, they might be. We can't help that unless an R3 does come along.

Anyway, most late outs occur late in the year, hopefully by then I'll have Belly at R3/F7, so can just chuck the 'E' one him if there are any rumours and the other 'E' on my F8.

Of course, if an R3 does come along, I may well play Belly at R2. Think he'll make more than Kreuz and Leuey anyway!!!!

Good points, these are two important deciding factors.

[H1bb3i2d]

I think the only real answer was one I saw earlier, pick Kreuzer, Luenberger and Bellchambers as R1, 2 & 3!

That's an extra $200k on your pine. That should net you about 40 points per week on the field. 22 games, that's about 880 points... Belly should average about 88 points... that's what, 10 games? Doubt you'll be needing him to cover 10 donuts, and that's just to break even..! 11 donuts, well that's now half the season...