Krooz, Leuey, Belly and the DPP Saga

[eaglesman]

Go set and forget and spare the heartache

The heartache that worries me is if one of my set and forget rucks misses a week or two with a minor injury. Having to trade out a gun just for a week or two to avoid a donut will be extremely annoying, and history says its going to happen most likely because it's not often that a ruck plays all games throughout the year, which is why I want Belly as cover

Obviously a cheap ruck popping up would solve all our problems, but I just don't like the odds of that happening

If the game ends in round 23 ... Is this for league or overall??? ... If overall then we get same trades for one less round ... I'll use those 2 extra trades purely for the ruck (easy to say now haha)

[H1bb3i2d]

Go set and forget and spare the heartache

The heartache that worries me is if one of my set and forget rucks misses a week or two with a minor injury. Having to trade out a gun just for a week or two to avoid a donut will be extremely annoying, and history says its going to happen most likely because it's not often that a ruck plays all games throughout the year, which is why I want Belly as cover

Obviously a cheap ruck popping up would solve all our problems, but I just don't like the odds of that happening

If the game ends in round 23 ... Is this for league or overall??? ... If overall then we get same trades for one less round ... I'll use those 2 extra trades purely for the ruck (easy to say now haha)

It doesn't end round 22, that's just when the league GF will occur. Counts for overall

[frenzy]

OK, so with Kreuz now out of the picture, we are down to Leuey, Belly and I know some are looking at Nicholls

I really want to have Belly in the forwards, because if my rucks miss a week or two it will drive me insane having to use a trade to get rid of them to avoid a donut, but looking at the fixture Belly plays before Leuey a lot, so if Leuey is a late out we cop the donut anyway

What are people looking to do now in terms of Rucks?

The obvious 2 options are 2 set and forget rucks, or a premo with Leuey/Belly/Nicholls at R2. Belly could still go into the forward line for cover too, or can he be a genuine starting R2 now?

Kreuz was perfect with Belly in the forwards because Carlton play so much early games, but now with his injury he has really got me stumped in which way to go

I just don't think I can shell out for 2 premo rucks plus Belly in the forwards, but I really want ruck cover. Argh!!

instead of going Belly in the forwards as Ruck coverage, why not? go with another keeper/ premo and keep them all season there for coverage. Somebody like a Ryder or Hale or Zac clarke.

[Mat0369]

instead of going Belly in the forwards as Ruck coverage, why not? go with another keeper/ premo and keep them all season there for coverage. Somebody like a Ryder or Hale or Zac clarke.

Because Ryder is more then likely going to be under a huge cloud with ASADA and suspensions to go along with trying to figure out how he works in a new structure at a new team. The other two won't average over 100 so they aren't keepers and are a waste of space in your team

[eaglesman]

Go set and forget and spare the heartache

The heartache that worries me is if one of my set and forget rucks misses a week or two with a minor injury. Having to trade out a gun just for a week or two to avoid a donut will be extremely annoying, and history says its going to happen most likely because it's not often that a ruck plays all games throughout the year, which is why I want Belly as cover

Obviously a cheap ruck popping up would solve all our problems, but I just don't like the odds of that happening

If the game ends in round 23 ... Is this for league or overall??? ... If overall then we get same trades for one less round ... I'll use those 2 extra trades purely for the ruck (easy to say now haha)

It doesn't end round 22, that's just when the league GF will occur. Counts for overall

Haha didn't think so .. Cheers for the confirmation though

[jfitty]

I am going to throw a name into the mix, Will Minson.

He had a bad back last year, and like most rucks that break into that elite category they don't back it up. I haven't heard much on his pre-season and a lot of people are going to get turned off due to him having such a poor hit out to advantage number last season. I am pretty sure I read he lead the league in hit outs to advantage the season he was an AA and a SC star. A lot of people wrote Sauce off last year and he was the number 1 ruck in fantasy land. He is 70k cheaper then Goldstein and has been pretty durable the last few seasons (even playing through injuries). If all the mid price options fail, is Minno a cheaper alternative?

I've been giving Minson some serious thought, what an amazing POD he would be if he can push his average back up again.

Saw this article which basically confirmed rumours from last year that he was playing with a dodgy back:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/back-injury-to-will-minson-that-sabotaged-2014-season-occurred-while-studying-for-engineering-exam/story-fni5fazt-1227068251424

Providing that he can put in a full preseason, and retain the number 1 ruck role, he could be worth a punt.

[Ricochet]

Think it was Mat that was asking about this? FantasyFreako tweeted this

Tom Bellchambers' hitout-to-advantage rate (29.7%) was better than Goldstein, Lobbe, Minson, Mumford and Nic Nat's in 2014. #SuperCoach

[Keeper27]

Go set and forget and spare the heartache

The heartache that worries me is if one of my set and forget rucks misses a week or two with a minor injury. Having to trade out a gun just for a week or two to avoid a donut will be extremely annoying, and history says its going to happen most likely because it's not often that a ruck plays all games throughout the year, which is why I want Belly as cover

Obviously a cheap ruck popping up would solve all our problems, but I just don't like the odds of that happening

again you're depending on a "MAYBE" situation on premos.
Premos Set & Forget is a "IF" they get injuredsituation.
you relying on mid priced guys is only a matter of "WHEN"

[Ricochet]

Go set and forget and spare the heartache

The heartache that worries me is if one of my set and forget rucks misses a week or two with a minor injury. Having to trade out a gun just for a week or two to avoid a donut will be extremely annoying, and history says its going to happen most likely because it's not often that a ruck plays all games throughout the year, which is why I want Belly as cover

Obviously a cheap ruck popping up would solve all our problems, but I just don't like the odds of that happening

again you're depending on a "MAYBE" situation on premos.
Premos Set & Forget is a "IF" they get injuredsituation.
you relying on mid priced guys is only a matter of "WHEN"

Goldstein
2014: 21 games
2013: 22
2012: 20

Maric
2014: 13
2013: 19
2012: 21

Mumford
2014: 17
2013: 19
2012: 14

Ryder
2014: 20
2013: 17
2012: 15

Jacobs
2014: 22
2013: 22
2012: 21

Minson
2014: 21
2013: 22
2012: 21


20/21 games might look good on the surface, but the fact is that premo rucks raaaarely play a full season and generally miss one/two games even in a good year. Thats why cover is so important early on. You can't cop a donut or waste trades on 1-2 week injuries.

[Nige]

It's never great when a player gets injured, this fella has had no luck.

Can't help but laugh at those that were picking him, there's as much risk at picking as there is Shane Mumford, almost certainly gonna get injured at some point, but at least Mummy has a lot more upside and scoring ability.

[Keeper27]

much rather pay premo price for 20/21 games and MAYBE missing a game or 2 than having 2/3 guys who've racked up a massive 104 games between the 3 of them in the last 3 years.

thats a MASSIVE avg of 11 games each for the last 3 years.

[Nige]

The Mummy and Maric combo is foolproof.  ;) :P

[Keeper27]

there's as much risk at picking as there is Shane Mumford, almost certainly gonna get injured at some point, but at least Mummy has a lot more upside and scoring ability.

i understand the reasoning in getting these mid priced guys, i really do.
yes premos CAN get injured, does not mean you dont pick them because of that reason.

with that kinda thinking dont pick Gazza, he MIGHT re-injure his shoulder.
dont pick pendles he's missed 4 games in the last 3 years.
dont pick rocky he missed 3 games last year.

you pick em because they are premos and they score.

in the last 3 years Kreuz 18 x tons, Leue 12 x tons, Belly 10 x tons = 40
Jacobs 34 x tons, Goldy 37 x tons, NicNat 31 x tons.

you do what you must, i'll be going set & forget.
your mid pricers WILL get injured at some point and the upsides dont look that great either.

[Mat0369]

Think it was Mat that was asking about this? FantasyFreako tweeted this

Tom Bellchambers' hitout-to-advantage rate (29.7%) was better than Goldstein, Lobbe, Minson, Mumford and Nic Nat's in 2014. #SuperCoach

Yes it was. I would like to find his career % but based on that I am reconsidering my stance on Belcho. I don't really want him in my forward line but he may be a better R2 then Leuenberger pending roles. I still think I prefer a rookie for coverage and will go that route if one is named

[Ricochet]

Think it was Mat that was asking about this? FantasyFreako tweeted this

Tom Bellchambers' hitout-to-advantage rate (29.7%) was better than Goldstein, Lobbe, Minson, Mumford and Nic Nat's in 2014. #SuperCoach

Yes it was. I would like to find his career % but based on that I am reconsidering my stance on Belcho. I don't really want him in my forward line but he may be a better R2 then Leuenberger pending roles. I still think I prefer a rookie for coverage and will go that route if one is named

Yeh I'm starting to think the same mate, R2 could be a real option but hoping a rookie pops up at R3. I know Belly's HTA was average in 2012 or 2013 so good to see he's shown improvement. Those poor numbers a couple of years ago could also be due to lack of exposure to ruck contests from playing mainly as a fwd.