Ruck Coverage

Started by Maggie May, February 01, 2015, 12:51:56 AM

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Sabretooth Tigers

#45
 ::) ??? :-\

Must be a full moon tonight, I just put ( I've argued against him all pre-season ) Bellchambers at   F.5   behind   
Deledio,  Franklin,  Martin  and Bennell.   Must be food poisoning coz I haven't had a drink, and it's definitely
out of my normal mindset.      ::) :) ;)

palloui

Regarding the whole ruck coverage dilemma in general, I've seen many people opting for the R/F 3rd spot to be swapped with belly in the forwards for cover. Whilst ive been tossing up with doing this aswell, I reckon a set and forget strategy would work better. The only reason we would have belly in our team would be for ruck cover, and maybe to make some money. However, the making money aspect of him defeats his own purpose. Say if you have belly as cover for the first 13 rounds, then upgrade him to a premium forward for the remainder of the season, that still would leave you with no ruck coverage if an injury were to strike. The only way to successfully avoid any ruck donuts is to keep belly for the entire year. I'm an essendon supporter and while i think belly will be our number 1 ruckman, simply put he is not a keeper and defitely would not want him occupying a spot in my foreard line for the WHOLE year just for ruck coverage. I know it's risky, but i'll be going with a set and forget ruck line and if injury is to strike ill just have to cop a trade. If you dont keep belly for the entire season, you will have to face a trade anyway!

Woppa15

Quote from: AaronKirk on February 01, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
I'm picking Goldy and Nic Nat in the ruck. If one gets injured than i'll have to trade.

Still IMO safer than picking Belly/Lycett etc in the forwards with a mid pricer at R2 (which is how I'd have to do it) and having to upgrade 2 mid pricers.

Not to mention the points lost each week from having two mid pricers vs two premos and still having to use trades to upgrade said mid pricers.

Cons far out way the pros for mid pricers and ruck coverage as far as I'm concerned!

You wouldn't not pick your Abletts/Rockliffs/ Pendles or Selwoods just in case they got injured and you had to use a trades.......

Bully

Quote from: Woppa15 on February 05, 2015, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on February 01, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
I'm picking Goldy and Nic Nat in the ruck. If one gets injured than i'll have to trade.

Still IMO safer than picking Belly/Lycett etc in the forwards with a mid pricer at R2 (which is how I'd have to do it) and having to upgrade 2 mid pricers.

Not to mention the points lost each week from having two mid pricers vs two premos and still having to use trades to upgrade said mid pricers.

Cons far out way the pros for mid pricers and ruck coverage as far as I'm concerned!

You wouldn't not pick your Abletts/Rockliffs/ Pendles or Selwoods just in case they got injured and you had to use a trades.......

But you can only upgrade one other area - rucks or forwards. Belly will score 70+, will a forward rookie match that? In fact you are banking on two given most have him at F5. For those with Nic Nat, insurance is critical, I blew 4 trades last year attempting to patch up the rucks on a continual basis, it can get mighty messy.

Jackross10

Still going Goldy and NicNat and no coverage, will trade if one goes down. (nui)

Hoggyz_a_legend

What's wrong with having no cover? I know it won't happen every year, but last year my 4 starting rucks were Jacobs, Sandi, Thurlow and King. I didn't use one trade, and ended up bring in Martin to swing later in the year but he mainly played as my F6.

I currently have Nicnat and Kreuz, and I don't see why Kreuz can't do what we all thought Sandi would do last year and avg 90~ Then if you have luxury trades after rnd 16ish, trade him to a premo. Will save $200k from getting a Jacobs/Mumford/Goldy/Maric.

Bully

Quote from: Hoggyz_a_legend on February 05, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
What's wrong with having no cover? I know it won't happen every year, but last year my 4 starting rucks were Jacobs, Sandi, Thurlow and King. I didn't use one trade, and ended up bring in Martin to swing later in the year but he mainly played as my F6.

I currently have Nicnat and Kreuz, and I don't see why Kreuz can't do what we all thought Sandi would do last year and avg 90~ Then if you have luxury trades after rnd 16ish, trade him to a premo. Will save $200k from getting a Jacobs/Mumford/Goldy/Maric.

Two of the most injury prone players in the game, it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'.

Ricochet

Quote from: Bully on February 05, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: Hoggyz_a_legend on February 05, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
What's wrong with having no cover? I know it won't happen every year, but last year my 4 starting rucks were Jacobs, Sandi, Thurlow and King. I didn't use one trade, and ended up bring in Martin to swing later in the year but he mainly played as my F6.

I currently have Nicnat and Kreuz, and I don't see why Kreuz can't do what we all thought Sandi would do last year and avg 90~ Then if you have luxury trades after rnd 16ish, trade him to a premo. Will save $200k from getting a Jacobs/Mumford/Goldy/Maric.

Two of the most injury prone players in the game, it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'.
NicNat? Apart from his first season he's only had one season under 20 games.

H1bb3i2d

I read today that only 6 ruckmen have played a full season in the last 5 years...


Quote from: Woppa15 on February 05, 2015, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on February 01, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
I'm picking Goldy and Nic Nat in the ruck. If one gets injured than i'll have to trade.

Still IMO safer than picking Belly/Lycett etc in the forwards with a mid pricer at R2 (which is how I'd have to do it) and having to upgrade 2 mid pricers.

Not to mention the points lost each week from having two mid pricers vs two premos and still having to use trades to upgrade said mid pricers.

Cons far out way the pros for mid pricers and ruck coverage as far as I'm concerned!

You wouldn't not pick your Abletts/Rockliffs/ Pendles or Selwoods just in case they got injured and you had to use a trades.......

And as for this comment... M8, you have your premo's elsewhere, it's not like you're losing points having that midpricer! How can you lose points by having a guy 30 points underpriced at F5?

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Woppa15 on February 05, 2015, 10:07:52 PM
Not to mention the points lost each week from having two mid pricers vs two premos and still having to use trades to upgrade said mid pricers.

Cons far out way the pros for mid pricers and ruck coverage as far as I'm concerned!

Two mid pricers vs Two premo's? It's two mid pricers vs 1 premo and 1 rookie...

Quote from: Ricochet on February 05, 2015, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 05, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: Hoggyz_a_legend on February 05, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
What's wrong with having no cover? I know it won't happen every year, but last year my 4 starting rucks were Jacobs, Sandi, Thurlow and King. I didn't use one trade, and ended up bring in Martin to swing later in the year but he mainly played as my F6.

I currently have Nicnat and Kreuz, and I don't see why Kreuz can't do what we all thought Sandi would do last year and avg 90~ Then if you have luxury trades after rnd 16ish, trade him to a premo. Will save $200k from getting a Jacobs/Mumford/Goldy/Maric.

Two of the most injury prone players in the game, it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'.
NicNat? Apart from his first season he's only had one season under 20 games.

This.


Bully

Quote from: Ricochet on February 05, 2015, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 05, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: Hoggyz_a_legend on February 05, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
What's wrong with having no cover? I know it won't happen every year, but last year my 4 starting rucks were Jacobs, Sandi, Thurlow and King. I didn't use one trade, and ended up bring in Martin to swing later in the year but he mainly played as my F6.

I currently have Nicnat and Kreuz, and I don't see why Kreuz can't do what we all thought Sandi would do last year and avg 90~ Then if you have luxury trades after rnd 16ish, trade him to a premo. Will save $200k from getting a Jacobs/Mumford/Goldy/Maric.

Two of the most injury prone players in the game, it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'.
NicNat? Apart from his first season he's only had one season under 20 games.

Has played 1 complete season in his career, it only takes 1 week off to force a trade. He was also a late withdrawl on a couple of occasions last year, he will be rested if the coach deems it necessary. I have him ATM but together with Kreuzer I'm not willing to blow a trade to cover a donut (hence the need for Belly).

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Bully on February 05, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
Has played 1 complete season in his career, it only takes 1 week off to force a trade. He was also a late withdrawl on a couple of occasions last year, he will be rested if the coach deems it necessary. I have him ATM but together with Kreuzer I'm not willing to blow a trade to cover a donut (hence the need for Belly).

1 complete season in his career is a bit dramatic. He had several seasons of 20 games, it was only 2013 he missed a chunk, and we all know he was struggling last year. He has gotten through the entire preseason so far, so he is just as fit as any other ruck, but his upside and price makes him an obvious lock.

I'm with you in regards to not blowing trades for a missed week which is why I have Belly too, but I'd have Belly even if I had Sauce and Goldy starting. We need cover on every line, and if no cheap ruck pops up then that's why we need Belly



honza

#57
Best to consult the fixture. BC aint going to be covering many late outs for NicNat.

Or anyone for that matter.

Ricochet

#58
Quote from: honza on February 06, 2015, 02:28:32 AM
Best to consult the fixture. BC aint going to be covering many late outs for NicNat.

Or anyone for that matter.
Its not the late outs I'm worried about. It's the 1-2 week injuries

Plus Belly is mainly there to cover Krooz for most ppl

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: honza on February 06, 2015, 02:28:32 AM
Best to consult the fixture. BC aint going to be covering many late outs for NicNat.

Or anyone for that matter.

Already consulted the fixture, and Krooz plays heaps of games first each round, so Krooz/Belly is the way to go