AFL jacks up Father/Son and Academy player costs

[Purple 77]

What happens when the team paying for the FS recruit is owed points?

Like, is it possible, that after the 15% or 25% discount, that their next pick is actually worth more than that deducted figure?

The pick just doesnt go all the way back to the end of the draft. Might go from rnd 3 to rnd 5 till the points add up

I mean like, what if GWS had pick 2, and they had an academy selection bidded on at pick 1.

So, 3000 points - 25% deduction which is 2250 points.

Pick 2 is worth 2517, so if they used Pick 2 on the academy selection, then they would have overpayed 267 points. Probably won't happen, but it could.

Good question, now I understand what you meant.

Big call for the team with pick 1 to do it I guess but you would have to assume it would get banked for the next time they need it? if they are going to possibly allow you to knock points into following years, then the same would be for positive points as well?

Yeah I reckon they'd just bank it for future selections.

[meow meow]

So what happens if 2 teams go for a FS player?

The same as now. The team with the earliest pick gets them.

What happens when the team paying for the FS recruit is owed points?

Like, is it possible, that after the 15% or 25% discount, that their next pick is actually worth more than that deducted figure?

The pick just doesnt go all the way back to the end of the draft. Might go from rnd 3 to rnd 5 till the points add up

I mean like, what if GWS had pick 2, and they had an academy selection bidded on at pick 1.

So, 3000 points - 25% deduction which is 2250 points.

Pick 2 is worth 2517, so if they used Pick 2 on the academy selection, then they would have overpayed 267 points. Probably won't happen, but it could.

One of their later picks would be moved forward. They don't have to keep the same position in the draft order. They could finish last and then have their 4th round pick to be taken in the middle of the 3rd round, giving them two third round picks.

[SydneyRox]

So what happens if 2 teams go for a FS player?

The same as now. The team with the earliest pick gets them.

What happens when the team paying for the FS recruit is owed points?

Like, is it possible, that after the 15% or 25% discount, that their next pick is actually worth more than that deducted figure?

The pick just doesnt go all the way back to the end of the draft. Might go from rnd 3 to rnd 5 till the points add up

I mean like, what if GWS had pick 2, and they had an academy selection bidded on at pick 1.

So, 3000 points - 25% deduction which is 2250 points.

Pick 2 is worth 2517, so if they used Pick 2 on the academy selection, then they would have overpayed 267 points. Probably won't happen, but it could.

One of their later picks would be moved forward. They don't have to keep the same position in the draft order. They could finish last and then have their 4th round pick to be taken in the middle of the 3rd round, giving them two third round picks.

Really?? Hadnt read that anywhere. Not like it is very likely to happen though.

[Capper]

So what happens if 2 teams go for a FS player?

The same as now. The team with the earliest pick gets them.

ok, but if the dess and pies wanted Heeney and the Swans gave up picks to dees for him, does that mean the Pies cant go for Heeney??

[SydneyRox]

So what happens if 2 teams go for a FS player?

The same as now. The team with the earliest pick gets them.

ok, but if the dess and pies wanted Heeney and the Swans gave up picks to dees for him, does that mean the Pies cant go for Heeney??

I guess it means that whoever bids highest gets him if Sydney Opt out.

[Capper]

So what happens if 2 teams go for a FS player?

The same as now. The team with the earliest pick gets them.

ok, but if the dess and pies wanted Heeney and the Swans gave up picks to dees for him, does that mean the Pies cant go for Heeney??

I guess it means that whoever bids highest gets him if Sydney Opt out.

so i gather we dont have to shell out picks to both

[Big Mac]

So what happens if 2 teams go for a FS player?

The same as now. The team with the earliest pick gets them.

ok, but if the dess and pies wanted Heeney and the Swans gave up picks to dees for him, does that mean the Pies cant go for Heeney??

I guess it means that whoever bids highest gets him if Sydney Opt out.

so i gather we dont have to shell out picks to both

You don't actually give those picks away - they just disappear and the other clubs' picks move forward

[Ringo]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/swans-academy-will-destroy-the-game-says-collingwood-president-eddie-mcguire-20150205-1378h3.html

More rantings from Eddie on the issue,  Think he needs to get facts right Do not believe between the 2 academies we would be intaking 600 a year. know it is only around 50  in Brisbane so that leaves Sydney with 550.

Anyway Collingwood has the opportunity to identify talent and bring into their system Yagmoor and Keffe are 2 recent Qlders that Pies have snapped up without having to go via draft. This is not mentioned.

[meow meow]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/swans-academy-will-destroy-the-game-says-collingwood-president-eddie-mcguire-20150205-1378h3.html

More rantings from Eddie on the issue,  Think he needs to get facts right Do not believe between the 2 academies we would be intaking 600 a year. know it is only around 50  in Brisbane so that leaves Sydney with 550.

Anyway Collingwood has the opportunity to identify talent and bring into their system Yagmoor and Keffe are 2 recent Qlders that Pies have snapped up without having to go via draft. This is not mentioned.

Yagmoor was a GC zone selection, on-traded to Collingwood. They got him in a trade. They didn't get him for free.

[Ringo]

Thanks for the clarification Meow knew you would put me right. Yagmoor was recruited from Cairns so did not know it was under GC Zonal system. Zonal system has also been taken away. Point still sands in relation to Keeffe.

[Capper]

This whole article is ridiculous, it sounds like Eddie has had a couple and is trying to put a sentence together

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/swans-academy-will-destroy-the-game-says-collingwood-president-eddie-mcguire-20150205-1378h3.html

More rantings from Eddie on the issue,  Think he needs to get facts right Do not believe between the 2 academies we would be intaking 600 a year. know it is only around 50  in Brisbane so that leaves Sydney with 550.

Anyway Collingwood has the opportunity to identify talent and bring into their system Yagmoor and Keffe are 2 recent Qlders that Pies have snapped up without having to go via draft. This is not mentioned.

wow Eddie. Please explain how Sydney gets all the 600 father sons?? Im pretty sure Blakely and Longmire's sons go to North under Father son, not to the Swans

"So it's not like it's just the luck of the biological lottery that you get a kid like [Collingwood father-son recruit] Darcy Moore who can play. You can go through at the age of 12 and get the best 600 a year, not once, per year, and you can train them and feed them and school them."

IS there 600 players in the Swans academy? No. Not even if you combine GWS, Swans, lions and GC would there be 600. Anyway, surely there are more F/S opportunities for the pies than the Swans ?

[Ringo]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-16/he-just-wants-to-play

An interesting article that says Isaac Heeny would not be playing AFL if not for the academy. Can see arguments both ways and just want to see what the final suggested points system and how it works. Whilst all the uproar is Sydney and Heeny do not forgot Pies got Moore with first p[ick as wekk and he would also have been top 3.

My overall solution for the problem is for the AFL to completely take over the academies with no club funding at all and academy players to go into national Draft. Father/Son rules to continue as is.

[Capper]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-16/he-just-wants-to-play

An interesting article that says Isaac Heeny would not be playing AFL if not for the academy. Can see arguments both ways and just want to see what the final suggested points system and how it works. Whilst all the uproar is Sydney and Heeny do not forgot Pies got Moore with first p[ick as wekk and he would also have been top 3.

My overall solution for the problem is for the AFL to completely take over the academies with no club funding at all and academy players to go into national Draft. Father/Son rules to continue as is.

So if the AFL are funding the academies, who is funding the coaching staff?? Surely the AFL need to pay for the coaching staff as well??

[Ringo]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-16/he-just-wants-to-play

An interesting article that says Isaac Heeny would not be playing AFL if not for the academy. Can see arguments both ways and just want to see what the final suggested points system and how it works. Whilst all the uproar is Sydney and Heeny do not forgot Pies got Moore with first p[ick as wekk and he would also have been top 3.

My overall solution for the problem is for the AFL to completely take over the academies with no club funding at all and academy players to go into national Draft. Father/Son rules to continue as is.

So if the AFL are funding the academies, who is funding the coaching staff?? Surely the AFL need to pay for the coaching staff as well??

I mean fully fund TABS including coaching staff - their sole responsibility for everything with no club involvement,

[Capper]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-16/he-just-wants-to-play

An interesting article that says Isaac Heeny would not be playing AFL if not for the academy. Can see arguments both ways and just want to see what the final suggested points system and how it works. Whilst all the uproar is Sydney and Heeny do not forgot Pies got Moore with first p[ick as wekk and he would also have been top 3.

My overall solution for the problem is for the AFL to completely take over the academies with no club funding at all and academy players to go into national Draft. Father/Son rules to continue as is.

So if the AFL are funding the academies, who is funding the coaching staff?? Surely the AFL need to pay for the coaching staff as well??

I mean fully fund TABS including coaching staff - their sole responsibility for everything with no club involvement,

oh ok. Mind you cut to 3 years later and the Vic clubs say WTF are we paying for this when they arent producing anything