AFL jacks up Father/Son and Academy player costs

[SydneyRox]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-16/he-just-wants-to-play

An interesting article that says Isaac Heeny would not be playing AFL if not for the academy. Can see arguments both ways and just want to see what the final suggested points system and how it works. Whilst all the uproar is Sydney and Heeny do not forgot Pies got Moore with first p[ick as wekk and he would also have been top 3.

My overall solution for the problem is for the AFL to completely take over the academies with no club funding at all and academy players to go into national Draft. Father/Son rules to continue as is.

So if the AFL are funding the academies, who is funding the coaching staff?? Surely the AFL need to pay for the coaching staff as well??

I mean fully fund TABS including coaching staff - their sole responsibility for everything with no club involvement,

oh ok. Mind you cut to 3 years later and the Vic clubs say WTF are we paying for this when they arent producing anything

Yup. Good old Eddie leading that charge - no doubt.

[Ringo]

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

[Capper]

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

[Ziplock]

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

[Ringo]

Just seen that Brisbane lost 4 academy kids in the last 12 months back to original sports mainly due to the fact that there is no guarantee that Brisbane will draft them - 2 returned to basketball, one to league and one to union.  This again emphasises the need for the academies to have some security in Northern States when competing against other sports.

Anyway submissions due this week and suspect Eddie will have his way again with the new CEO probably not having the guts to stand up to him.

It really shows how much stick the AFL has when both Collingwood and Hawthorn whose football departments are over the salary cap are prepared to pay the fines rather than decrease spending.  So maybe time to revisit size of fines.

[Big Mac]

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

Compensation is based on contract length and $. Hawthorn gave Frawley more years on more $, Malceski got less years on less $. Melbourne received first round compensation, Sydney received second round compensation. As simple as that.

You want pick 22 instead of 39? Finish on the bottom for 8 flowering years

[SydneyRox]

constantly finishing on the bottom shouldnt equal continual handouts and priority picks.

BTW - if you didnt know Zip isnt a Swans supporter, so technically an unbiased opinion.

[Capper]

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

Compensation is based on contract length and $. Hawthorn gave Frawley more years on more $, Malceski got less years on less $. Melbourne received first round compensation, Sydney received second round compensation. As simple as that.

You want pick 22 instead of 39? Finish on the bottom for 8 flowering years

how can the Hawks afford to give him more with their list?? Either way he is just a chip off the old spud

Hopefully Rose becomes a star!!

[Capper]

Just seen that Brisbane lost 4 academy kids in the last 12 months back to original sports mainly due to the fact that there is no guarantee that Brisbane will draft them - 2 returned to basketball, one to league and one to union.  This again emphasises the need for the academies to have some security in Northern States when competing against other sports.

Anyway submissions due this week and suspect Eddie will have his way again with the new CEO probably not having the guts to stand up to him.

It really shows how much stick the AFL has when both Collingwood and Hawthorn whose football departments are over the salary cap are prepared to pay the fines rather than decrease spending.  So maybe time to revisit size of fines.

the other issue is that you cant take everyone Ringo. There will always kids that are good at multiple sports so best for them if they have a back up

[Big Mac]

constantly finishing on the bottom shouldnt equal continual handouts and priority picks.

BTW - if you didnt know Zip isnt a Swans supporter, so technically an unbiased opinion.

Alright maybe I went overboard with the 8 years - But finish last for one year. The dees will miss Frawley more than the Swans will miss Malceski. Hence the picks are given in relation to your finishing position. It's equalisation

IMO, constantly finishing last should equal handouts and priority picks - Otherwise teams would fold regularly. Not sure where Melbourne would be today if not for the handouts which enabled them to land Peter Jackson + Roosy. That's a discussion for another time though.

Noted, wasn't aware Zip wasn't a Sydney supporter

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

Compensation is based on contract length and $. Hawthorn gave Frawley more years on more $, Malceski got less years on less $. Melbourne received first round compensation, Sydney received second round compensation. As simple as that.

You want pick 22 instead of 39? Finish on the bottom for 8 flowering years

how can the Hawks afford to give him more with their list?? Either way he is just a chip off the old spud

Hopefully Rose becomes a star!!

They kind of got rid of this guy named Lance Franklin - you might know him  ;)


Edit: To be clear - I'm not saying these things because I think Melbourne got a great deal out of losing Frawley somehow. I would much rather Free Agency didn't exist

[Ziplock]

constantly finishing on the bottom shouldnt equal continual handouts and priority picks.

BTW - if you didnt know Zip isnt a Swans supporter, so technically an unbiased opinion.

Alright maybe I went overboard with the 8 years - But finish last for one year. The dees will miss Frawley more than the Swans will miss Malceski. Hence the picks are given in relation to your finishing position. It's equalisation

IMO, constantly finishing last should equal handouts and priority picks - Otherwise teams would fold regularly. Not sure where Melbourne would be today if not for the handouts which enabled them to land Peter Jackson + Roosy. That's a discussion for another time though.

Noted, wasn't aware Zip wasn't a Sydney supporter

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

Compensation is based on contract length and $. Hawthorn gave Frawley more years on more $, Malceski got less years on less $. Melbourne received first round compensation, Sydney received second round compensation. As simple as that.

You want pick 22 instead of 39? Finish on the bottom for 8 flowering years

how can the Hawks afford to give him more with their list?? Either way he is just a chip off the old spud

Hopefully Rose becomes a star!!

They kind of got rid of this guy named Lance Franklin - you might know him  ;)


Edit: To be clear - I'm not saying these things because I think Melbourne got a great deal out of losing Frawley somehow. I would much rather Free Agency didn't exist

I'm a GWS supporter, so I know what it's like to finish last.

And exactly, the compo system is flawed- malceski leaving + the swans trade ban gave them an AA HB hole in their defence.

The dees will definitely miss frawley, but honestly pick 3 was a really good outcome for them.

[Capper]

constantly finishing on the bottom shouldnt equal continual handouts and priority picks.

BTW - if you didnt know Zip isnt a Swans supporter, so technically an unbiased opinion.

Alright maybe I went overboard with the 8 years - But finish last for one year. The dees will miss Frawley more than the Swans will miss Malceski. Hence the picks are given in relation to your finishing position. It's equalisation

IMO, constantly finishing last should equal handouts and priority picks - Otherwise teams would fold regularly. Not sure where Melbourne would be today if not for the handouts which enabled them to land Peter Jackson + Roosy. That's a discussion for another time though.

Noted, wasn't aware Zip wasn't a Sydney supporter

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

Compensation is based on contract length and $. Hawthorn gave Frawley more years on more $, Malceski got less years on less $. Melbourne received first round compensation, Sydney received second round compensation. As simple as that.

You want pick 22 instead of 39? Finish on the bottom for 8 flowering years

how can the Hawks afford to give him more with their list?? Either way he is just a chip off the old spud

Hopefully Rose becomes a star!!

They kind of got rid of this guy named Lance Franklin - you might know him  ;)


Edit: To be clear - I'm not saying these things because I think Melbourne got a great deal out of losing Frawley somehow. I would much rather Free Agency didn't exist

yeah i know they got rid of Buddy, the swasn got rid of a lot to get him. Yet we still got scrutinised for it.

[Grazz]

constantly finishing on the bottom shouldnt equal continual handouts and priority picks.

BTW - if you didnt know Zip isnt a Swans supporter, so technically an unbiased opinion.

Alright maybe I went overboard with the 8 years - But finish last for one year. The dees will miss Frawley more than the Swans will miss Malceski. Hence the picks are given in relation to your finishing position. It's equalisation

IMO, constantly finishing last should equal handouts and priority picks - Otherwise teams would fold regularly. Not sure where Melbourne would be today if not for the handouts which enabled them to land Peter Jackson + Roosy. That's a discussion for another time though.

Noted, wasn't aware Zip wasn't a Sydney supporter

+3 will happen but Vics can not have everything their own way. Would it be any different if Pies won last yeras premiership and Moore went to Pies at pick 17 in first round.  Not a word would be said no doubt but because it is Non Victorian Teams developing own kids big uproar.

yes they can now with that skirt Gillian incharge. He loves pleasing all the boys!!

sexist- shouldn't use female adjectives derogatorily. :P


anyway, I personally think the fact that melbourne got pick 3 for frawley while sydney got pick 39 for an AA malceski is a bigger issue to address than FS/ academy.

Compensation is based on contract length and $. Hawthorn gave Frawley more years on more $, Malceski got less years on less $. Melbourne received first round compensation, Sydney received second round compensation. As simple as that.

You want pick 22 instead of 39? Finish on the bottom for 8 flowering years

how can the Hawks afford to give him more with their list?? Either way he is just a chip off the old spud

Hopefully Rose becomes a star!!

They kind of got rid of this guy named Lance Franklin - you might know him  ;)


Edit: To be clear - I'm not saying these things because I think Melbourne got a great deal out of losing Frawley somehow. I would much rather Free Agency didn't exist

I'm a GWS supporter, so I know what it's like to finish last.

And exactly, the compo system is flawed- malceski leaving + the swans trade ban gave them an AA HB hole in their defence.

The dees will definitely miss frawley, but honestly pick 3 was a really good outcome for them.

Don't worry mate something tells me won't be long and you'll know what it's like to finish 1st alot.

[AaronKirk]

Bump

So 5 of the likely top 20 picks in this years draft (if it was fair and pure) would be players from the Ovens & Murray, Hume, Murray and Riverina Football leagues.

2 From Albury, 1 from Henty (Henty is around half way between Wagga and Albury). 1 from Denilliquin and 1 from Collingullie (near Wagga)

All 5 of these players from territories, A couple of which I visited last week which are AFL heartland areas, will end up at GWS through the academy picks.

Why is an AFL heartland area an academy area? It is complete and utter flowering bullshower and basically is the AFL created and approved systematic cheating in the draft.

Good luck to clubs like Essendon, Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood and both North Melbourne and Hawthorn in a few years which will only have access to a smaller amount of the talent pool if these ridiculous academy rules are not changed.

Whilst the Victorian clubs at the end of their premiership cycle and ones who's lists are ruined flounder down the bottom of the ladder the academy teams will dominate. I predict that GWS, Sydney, Brisbane and Gold Coast will win 15 of the next 20 premierships as a minimum if these academy rules are not changed. It will destroy the game.

The AFL should fund the academies in areas where we are developing the game (in parts of NSW where the game is 2nd to NRL/Union and Queensland) with the talent all going into the draft!

They won't do that obviously so we will continue to always have distorted and unfair drafts. But can they at least remove the right to academy based selections to areas where AFL is the leading code. If they don't then GWS get this massive leg-up in the draft this year which will destroy the chance for an even competition potentially for the next decade.

[Purple 77]

The patriotic Tasmanian in me hates everything GWS.

The Melbourne-supporter in me is also furious at expansion teams for playing a part in crippling our rebuild(s).

And even if I ignore my biased feelings, then even I can see this is totally unfair.

Albeit GWS haven't had the success of Hawthorn yet, but imagine if Hawthorn was able to have first rights to 5 of the likely top 20 picks this year? Or any other year? Exactly, it just wouldn't be allowed to happen, just like this shouldn't be allowed to happen.

I'd meet on somewhat middle ground and cap it at one player per draft round, or scrap the AFL Heartland areas from the Academy Zones, as they go against what the academy zones were built for; to create and encourage interest from juniors to play AFL.

Good luck to clubs like Essendon, Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood and both North Melbourne and Hawthorn in a few years which will only have access to a smaller amount of the talent pool if these ridiculous academy rules are not changed.

But back to my Melbourne butthurt, it's OK if we get crippled by the expansion concessions, but once the bigger victorian clubs get affected then oh no! Something has got to be done! Not directed at you AK :P that's just a shot at the AFL from a butthurt Melbourne fan haha