Player X v Player Y

[Blues Blues Blues]

Jacobs/Ward

Vs

Goldy/Fyfe

[nperera95]

sauce and ward for me

[Ricochet]

Jacobs/Ward

Vs

Goldy/Fyfe

Goldy and Fyfe. Rarely top end ruckmen backup a huge year like Jacobs has had. And Fyfe is a 120+ mid.
Easy choice for me

[MC]

I think Martin can improve his average by a couple of points while Swan might stay around the same average.

:o
Arguably one of the best SC options for the past 6 years, rivalling GAJ, and you write him off after an injury-affected season?

Look at his averages:

2009: 123.2
2010: 126.8 
2011: 121.9 
2012: 126.3 
2013:  117.5
2014: Injury-riddled, barely walking and averages 86.4

Swan has also played 122 games in those 6 years, averaging over 20 per season.

To say he will struggle to beat his (piss poor) average of 86 last year is a joke. He probably won't hit 120, but 100 is a very attainable target.

[Mat0369]

:o
Arguably one of the best SC options for the past 6 years, rivalling GAJ, and you write him off after an injury-affected season?

Look at his averages:

2009: 123.2
2010: 126.8 
2011: 121.9 
2012: 126.3 
2013:  117.5
2014: Injury-riddled, barely walking and averages 86.4

Swan has also played 122 games in those 6 years, averaging over 20 per season.

To say he will struggle to beat his (piss poor) average of 86 last year is a joke. He probably won't hit 120, but 100 is a very attainable target.

The thing is recent history is all we can go off. He is now at the age where players don't significantly improve again and if Collingwood are eyeing the future he is probably going to play more forward. Throw in the fact he never had a big tank and was heavily rotated he won't have the legs to play predominantly through the midfield. He might push for a 100 average but I am not sold on it.

I think a better comparison is Pav

Pav went from averaging 111 in 2012 to having an injury plagued 2013 and average 81. Last year he averaged 85.4

Juddy who was a god on the field and had multiple 110+ seasons dropped to 99 in 2013 before averaging 98 unsubbed last year. I would expect him to have played a lot more in the midfield last year then Swan will this year.

Joey went from averaging 114 two seasons ago to averaging 89 last season and no one is talking about him bouncing back.

Matty Boyd and Chappy are two others that have been on the decline after being SC stars in the past, age and their body caught up with them like what happened with Swan last year. So I think a 96 which is a similar average to Chappy is probably the best we are going to get from Swan

[H1bb3i2d]

None of the above's records come close to Swan. And now, he's available in the forward line, where a worst case scenario of 90-something won't even hurt.

[Ricochet]

:o
Arguably one of the best SC options for the past 6 years, rivalling GAJ, and you write him off after an injury-affected season?

Look at his averages:

2009: 123.2
2010: 126.8 
2011: 121.9 
2012: 126.3 
2013:  117.5
2014: Injury-riddled, barely walking and averages 86.4

Swan has also played 122 games in those 6 years, averaging over 20 per season.

To say he will struggle to beat his (piss poor) average of 86 last year is a joke. He probably won't hit 120, but 100 is a very attainable target.

The thing is recent history is all we can go off. He is now at the age where players don't significantly improve again and if Collingwood are eyeing the future he is probably going to play more forward. Throw in the fact he never had a big tank and was heavily rotated he won't have the legs to play predominantly through the midfield. He might push for a 100 average but I am not sold on it.

I think a better comparison is Pav

Pav went from averaging 111 in 2012 to having an injury plagued 2013 and average 81. Last year he averaged 85.4

Juddy who was a god on the field and had multiple 110+ seasons dropped to 99 in 2013 before averaging 98 unsubbed last year. I would expect him to have played a lot more in the midfield last year then Swan will this year.

Joey went from averaging 114 two seasons ago to averaging 89 last season and no one is talking about him bouncing back.

Matty Boyd and Chappy are two others that have been on the decline after being SC stars in the past, age and their body caught up with them like what happened with Swan last year. So I think a 96 which is a similar average to Chappy is probably the best we are going to get from Swan

Can't really compare to Pav because he is a key fwd

Judd is a good example. Although he copped heavy tags, Swan won't. And Judd has battled with injuries, we're picking Swan on the basis he is having an uninterrupted preseason

Steve Johnson? 107, to 96, then bounced back to 115.

Montagna is a year older than Swan, went 96 then up to 111 the next year. Last year had a few tagging roles and also got tagged. Swan won't

Boyd is 2 years older than Swan. Chappy is 3 years

Boomer Harvey? Although he's a freak

Bartel a couple of years ago goes 98, bounces back to 106 the year after

[ben_020285]

Just pick Swan.

Picking him makes so much more sense than not picking him. It's as simple as that.

[Grufflez]

I think Martin can improve his average by a couple of points while Swan might stay around the same average.

:o
Arguably one of the best SC options for the past 6 years, rivalling GAJ, and you write him off after an injury-affected season?

Look at his averages:

2009: 123.2
2010: 126.8 
2011: 121.9 
2012: 126.3 
2013:  117.5
2014: Injury-riddled, barely walking and averages 86.4
2015: STILL injury-riddled, preseason surgery even older, team getting worse and Buckley is a very very average coach= similar average.
Swan has also played 122 games in those 6 years, averaging over 20 per season.

To say he will struggle to beat his (piss poor) average of 86 last year is a joke. He probably won't hit 120, but 100 is a very attainable target.

Lycett vs Belly vs Luey?

[hawkboy80]

Pike or Luey

Leuy by a long long way.

+1

[Mat0369]

Can't really compare to Pav because he is a key fwd

Judd is a good example. Although he copped heavy tags, Swan won't. And Judd has battled with injuries, we're picking Swan on the basis he is having an uninterrupted preseason

Steve Johnson? 107, to 96, then bounced back to 115.

Montagna is a year older than Swan, went 96 then up to 111 the next year. Last year had a few tagging roles and also got tagged. Swan won't

Boyd is 2 years older than Swan. Chappy is 3 years

Boomer Harvey? Although he's a freak

Bartel a couple of years ago goes 98, bounces back to 106 the year after

Judd wasn't getting the tag the last two years, Murph was and Judd was seeing more mid time then I think Swan will this year. He is probably the guy to compare to.

Johnson played predominantly forward before going into the guts for his 115 season so it was a change in role that saw him score well. He also missed a heap of games and has continued having issues with his body last year.

The others you are probably right as they are a year older then what Swan is going into this year but I still can't see Swan exploding. Players age it happens and we saw what happens when players get older with Swan last year.

One of the reasons Gaz has still been relevant and improving is because he is so meticulous with his preparation. It will happen to Gaz eventually as well but unlike Swan he was still averaging north of 130 last year and didn't have the drop off. The older you get the more important the little things become. I would rather go with BJ, Buddy and Dusty then risk Swan bouncing back.

[Mat0369]

Lycett vs Belly vs Luey?

I would go with Leuenberger first if it looks like he is playing more in the middle and Martin is playing forward otherwise it would be Bellchambers on price

[meow meow]

:)

Bontempelli  v  B Crouch.    Bont  to remain in team as for/mid reserve in the finals if all goes as planned
                                      B Crouch  more than likely be a stepping stone that scores pretty well along the way.
:-\

Bevo will play Bont at CHF half the time. Crouch will never stray from the midfield. Easy choice.

[hawkboy80]

regarding the Swan debate, I cannot see any way that he averages less than 95 this year so whether u like him or not, too old, has no tank, etc etc etc he has to be a lock based on his potential to post good scores regularly, & he doesn't have those bad bombouts like a lot of fwds do

[meow meow]

regarding the Swan debate, I cannot see any way that he averages less than 95 this year so whether u like him or not, too old, has no tank, etc etc etc he has to be a lock based on his potential to post good scores regularly, & he doesn't have those bad bombouts like a lot of fwds do

Could you see him averaging less than 95 this time last year?