Tom Rockliff

[Noz]

With the addition of Beams it will help ease the load of Rockliff, His price should drop but kicks of the season against Collingwood, North, Richmond, West Coast, Gold Coast and Carlton in which he played those teams for a combined total of 7 games last year and averaged 148.

Good stat, thats definitely worth considering!  Should you start with him, dump him and pick him up again later?!?!  :o

Its tough, I would rather wait and see how the addition of Beams would effect his scoring until I make a decision.

[powersuperkents]

This year will be the first season I don't start him (except 09). Too expensive, should score well, but the 130 average leaves me sceptical - esp. with the new additions - includes Redden's return. Starting Gaj, with Rocky as primary upgrade target - will change a lot over the next 70 days. I don't doubt that he will be top scorer over the few weeks though. Will heavily contemplate, but as of 21/01, he is not in my line up   

[AaronKirk]

Cant justify the price at this point. ZERO chance of being in my team come round 1

[GoLions]

How cheap do people expect him to get? He'll have to drop his average by 15 ppg to get to the same price as Ablett (675k, and who a lot of people seem to be starting no questions asked). Personally, I can't see his average getting that low, so it will be an absolute pain to bring him in, especially with how expensive rookies are which makes cash generation a lot more difficult.

[powersuperkents]

With the addition of Beams it will help ease the load of Rockliff, His price should drop but kicks of the season against Collingwood, North, Richmond, West Coast, Gold Coast and Carlton in which he played those teams for a combined total of 7 games last year and averaged 148.

Good stat, thats definitely worth considering!  Should you start with him, dump him and pick him up again later?!?!  :o

Yeah tough, so far I see Beams, Rocky, & Redden as potential upgrades. The only Lions lock is DRich who will generate a lot of cash and act as a stepping stone to the aforementioned 3.

I'm going to take the punt and start Gaj, Libba, Wines, & Scooter as my main four mids. Gaj as captain, Libba & Wines as potential breakout premiums, and Scooter for a hopeful revival or at least a stepping stone. The only dt issue with Libba & Wines is occasional low scores and decreased ceiling - the price of being a contested ball winner.

Its tough, I would rather wait and see how the addition of Beams would effect his scoring until I make a decision.

[powersuperkents]

How cheap do people expect him to get? He'll have to drop his average by 15 ppg to get to the same price as Ablett (675k, and who a lot of people seem to be starting no questions asked). Personally, I can't see his average getting that low, so it will be an absolute pain to bring him in, especially with how expensive rookies are which makes cash generation a lot more difficult.

His breakevens are going to be ridiculous, he will drop in price regardless of how he does. He can't maintain that price - all premiums rarely maintain their starting prices. He will be easy to jump on later with players like Waters, Whiley, Whitecross, Rich etc. being either cash cows or unliquidated assets - e.g. a simple Waters -> Rookie trade will free up enough cash to upgrade a mid to Rocky.

You make a good point though, it would be better to lock him in now rather than later. However, I personally can't justify spending +5% of my salary cap on a gun, but a gun who does rely on form - I need to see how the new inclusions affect his output - luckily we have the NAB cup for that.  ;)

[GoLions]

How cheap do people expect him to get? He'll have to drop his average by 15 ppg to get to the same price as Ablett (675k, and who a lot of people seem to be starting no questions asked). Personally, I can't see his average getting that low, so it will be an absolute pain to bring him in, especially with how expensive rookies are which makes cash generation a lot more difficult.

His breakevens are going to be ridiculous, he will drop in price regardless of how he does. He can't maintain that price - all premiums rarely maintain their starting prices. He will be easy to jump on later with players like Waters, Whiley, Whitecross, Rich etc. being either cash cows or unliquidated assets - e.g. a simple Waters -> Rookie trade will free up enough cash to upgrade a mid to Rocky.

You make a good point though, it would be better to lock him in now rather than later. However, I personally can't justify spending +5% of my salary cap on a gun, but a gun who does rely on form - I need to see how the new inclusions affect his output - luckily we have the NAB cup for that.  ;)

I don't doubt he'll drop in price a bit, but I don't think he'll get below Ablett's price, and even that would be a pain for me. As you said, for me it's probably easier to lock him in now, leave the C on him all year, and wait for guys like Jelwood to drop in price and who will be easier to upgrade to.

[powersuperkents]

How cheap do people expect him to get? He'll have to drop his average by 15 ppg to get to the same price as Ablett (675k, and who a lot of people seem to be starting no questions asked). Personally, I can't see his average getting that low, so it will be an absolute pain to bring him in, especially with how expensive rookies are which makes cash generation a lot more difficult.

His breakevens are going to be ridiculous, he will drop in price regardless of how he does. He can't maintain that price - all premiums rarely maintain their starting prices. He will be easy to jump on later with players like Waters, Whiley, Whitecross, Rich etc. being either cash cows or unliquidated assets - e.g. a simple Waters -> Rookie trade will free up enough cash to upgrade a mid to Rocky.

You make a good point though, it would be better to lock him in now rather than later. However, I personally can't justify spending +5% of my salary cap on a gun, but a gun who does rely on form - I need to see how the new inclusions affect his output - luckily we have the NAB cup for that.  ;)

I don't doubt he'll drop in price a bit, but I don't think he'll get below Ablett's price, and even that would be a pain for me. As you said, for me it's probably easier to lock him in now, leave the C on him all year, and wait for guys like Jelwood to drop in price and who will be easier to upgrade to.

I agree with you there. I'm going to lock him in, like you mentioned in the latter sentence, it's easier to "wait for guys like Jelwood to drop in price" and I have to agree. Our mindset during pre-season is never the same as when the actual season starts and dt never goes how we expected. Honestly, not many premium mids appeal to me, only Gaj, Rocky, Wines, Libby, Parker, Rich, & Scooter. The rest I see as very risky investments and I would expect half of the aforementioned players to only be form mids this season. Never know what to expect so I'll most likely lock in Rocky as a perma-captain now.

[dirkdiggler]

How cheap do people expect him to get? He'll have to drop his average by 15 ppg to get to the same price as Ablett (675k, and who a lot of people seem to be starting no questions asked). Personally, I can't see his average getting that low, so it will be an absolute pain to bring him in, especially with how expensive rookies are which makes cash generation a lot more difficult.

His breakevens are going to be ridiculous, he will drop in price regardless of how he does. He can't maintain that price - all premiums rarely maintain their starting prices. He will be easy to jump on later with players like Waters, Whiley, Whitecross, Rich etc. being either cash cows or unliquidated assets - e.g. a simple Waters -> Rookie trade will free up enough cash to upgrade a mid to Rocky.

You make a good point though, it would be better to lock him in now rather than later. However, I personally can't justify spending +5% of my salary cap on a gun, but a gun who does rely on form - I need to see how the new inclusions affect his output - luckily we have the NAB cup for that.  ;)

I don't doubt he'll drop in price a bit, but I don't think he'll get below Ablett's price, and even that would be a pain for me. As you said, for me it's probably easier to lock him in now, leave the C on him all year, and wait for guys like Jelwood to drop in price and who will be easier to upgrade to.

Yep, I am getting him in. Lack of solid perma captains for mine, and a heap of players who could offer great value just under that uber premo price. Currently have JOM and Neale and potential big breakouts. Worth a punt  ::)

[powersuperkents]

Went Rocky & Jelwood as C & VC

besides Gaj & Pendles (more of an upgrade target) they are the only 2 mids I trust (usually uncomfortable with Jelwood but it feels right). Now to decide whether to take a small risk on low ceiling gun Luke Parker or a big risk on high ceiling gun Toby Greene for M3  :-\

[Nige]

Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know.

[LF]

Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know.

Can you repeat the question :P

[Nige]

Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know.

Can you repeat the question :P

Will you be picking Tom Rockliff in your starting team?  ::) :P

[The_Captain]

Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know.

Can you repeat the question :P

Will you be picking Tom Rockliff in your starting team?  ::) :P

Your not the boss of me now.

[rider]

Life is unfair.