Kreuzer and Leuy

[Money Shot]

I am really considering starting both as Kreuzer is flying (like the 750 other AFL players) this pre season and Leuy is putting more effort in to stay on the park for a full season.

Obviously if both are fit they should average around 80 minimum in my opinion.

Will the new ruck rule benefit them at all or make them less valuable?

[Big Mac]

I can't really see the new ruck rule benefitting anyone - It's very likely that Kreuz and Leuey will also have reduced averages

[Money Shot]

I can't really see the new ruck rule benefitting anyone - It's very likely that Kreuz and Leuey will also have reduced averages

So all it is going to do is take 5-10ppg of the rucks?

[Deadly6]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

[Money Shot]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

I disagree with that statement in regards to Kreuzer I think when he is playing Carlton are a better side rather then when Warnock and Wood are doing the heavy lifting.

[AaronKirk]

Both will play most of their time as forwards. Kreuzer will be a forward (that is what Mick wants)

No to both for me.

[Deadly6]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

Talking ALL ruckmen in general. Supercoach says Jacobs is better than Danger, 50% better than Tex, Goldy 2nd best player at NM behind Boomer, McIntosh better than Harry Taylor, Zac Clarke better than McPharlin etc etc. Their effect on the real game is far less than on the SC game.

[Vinny]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

Talking ALL ruckmen in general. Supercoach says Jacobs is better than Danger, 50% better than Tex, Goldy 2nd best player at NM behind Boomer, McIntosh better than Harry Taylor, Zac Clarke better than McPharlin etc etc. Their effect on the real game is far less than on the SC game.

They may not be the most talented on the team but in terms of importance, they are right up there. Basically all ruckmen would be in the Top 5.

[meow meow]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

Talking ALL ruckmen in general. Supercoach says Jacobs is better than Danger, 50% better than Tex, Goldy 2nd best player at NM behind Boomer, McIntosh better than Harry Taylor, Zac Clarke better than McPharlin etc etc. Their effect on the real game is far less than on the SC game.

They may not be the most talented on the team but in terms of importance, they are right up there. Basically all ruckmen would be in the Top 5.

Time for this piece of gold again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwuQOFrOEkQ

[Hippo]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

Talking ALL ruckmen in general. Supercoach says Jacobs is better than Danger, 50% better than Tex, Goldy 2nd best player at NM behind Boomer, McIntosh better than Harry Taylor, Zac Clarke better than McPharlin etc etc. Their effect on the real game is far less than on the SC game.

They may not be the most talented on the team but in terms of importance, they are right up there. Basically all ruckmen would be in the Top 5.

Time for this piece of gold again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwuQOFrOEkQ

Meow can you give me your opinion on Cooney?, seems underpriced to me and having a great PS.

My gut tells me he will avg between 90-100 meaning he's a good POD and a value pick.... but then my mates tell me "Forget about it"

[meow meow]

Let's face it, in general their worth in SC is far greater than their on ground worth so it's a dose of realism.

Talking ALL ruckmen in general. Supercoach says Jacobs is better than Danger, 50% better than Tex, Goldy 2nd best player at NM behind Boomer, McIntosh better than Harry Taylor, Zac Clarke better than McPharlin etc etc. Their effect on the real game is far less than on the SC game.

They may not be the most talented on the team but in terms of importance, they are right up there. Basically all ruckmen would be in the Top 5.

Time for this piece of gold again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwuQOFrOEkQ

Meow can you give me your opinion on Cooney?, seems underpriced to me and having a great PS.

My gut tells me he will avg between 90-100 meaning he's a good POD and a value pick.... but then my mates tell me "Forget about it"

All depends if you trust his body to hold up long enough while you have him in your team. The Bombers style of play suits him and he'll definitely average more than he costs but whether the Bombers rest him every now and then remains to be seen.

[quinny88]

Even when Cooney won the Brownlow he only averaged 106.9.

With the amount of gun forwards this year that will average over 100, Cooney doesn't cut it

[Vulpes]

My calculation on the new rule is that you need to hit to advantage with 1/3 of your taps to come out even. Jacobs could do that but not many others and I think Money Shot is right at 5-10ppg.

Mid-Price vs. Premo
Mid: I like picking Kreuz/Leuy because Goldy could lose 10ppg from the rule or he could lose nothing. You add that to the obvious chance of a ruck/forward stealing game time that every ruckman faces and I think there are safer places to invest in premiums.

Premo: I read an article in TheAge a while ago suggesting Kreuzer was training as a forward mostly, which is what AaronKirk said.
I can also see Leuy spending time forward. Martin played very well as a sole ruck, Martin has historically been a complete muppet up forward, they desperately need a forward target to reliably bring the ball to ground for the mozzies, and it would be a safer way to return from injury.
Contrary to a lot of the DPP ruck link hate I see Bellchambers as arguably the safest mid-price ruck, with decent scores as both a true ruck and ruck forward without injury, and looking like the best role.

[eaglesman]

I think the right play is just to monitor how these blokes look in the preseason and go from there ... Both represent great value

But the ruck is a super premo position

[Mat0369]

There is a guy about the same price as these guys I am considering. I would still lean towards Kreuze out of these two because Martin is likely to play and unless the coach officially goes full f-tard he should play Kreuze in the ruck. Seriously, he has Wood and Spudnock behind him and they both proved they couldn't hold down the fort in his absence.