New Ruck Scoring!

[Pkbaldy]

Sam Jacobs is least affected by the new scoring losing only 7.1 points. Stefan Martin loses 10.3, Sandilands 10.9, Goldstein 9.7, Mumford 12.5. The best ruck man to choose will be those who pick up lots of possessions around the ground and tap effectively as well. Nic Nat would be my best bet to meet both of those.

How?

Mummy @ 27.2%

2014
Hit outs: 618 = 618 points
to adv: 168 = 336 points
total: 954 points/56.1 ppg

2015
Hit outs: 618 = 0 points
to adv: 168 = 840 points/49.4ppg

Wasn't hits to adv 3 points each last year? So would;
168 x 3 = 504 + 618 = 1122?

[Nige]

I think this just confirms that Shane Mumford is a lock.  ;) :P

[Holz]

With the AFL Prospectus now out, the changes to the scoring of rucks has been revealed. This may change peoples minds on how they enter the season. Based on the new scoring, all ruck men are expected to lose approx. 10 points off their 2014 average. Hit outs to advantage are now worth 5 points instead of 3, however no points are awarded for a hitout. Champion data are pretty much giving the points to the ruckmen that are effective with taps and win lots of ball around the ground. Will your structure change based on this as Jacobs and Goldstein will lose money off their starting price, and mid pricers like Leuenberger and Kreuzer won't make as much?

At least Kreuzer and Berger would make some money whereas the premium options are almost certain to drop in price due to these new ruck rules.

For the first time, I am actually seriously starting to consider the Kreuzberger combo with Bellchambers as back up. Surely 2 of them will play each week.

Then once the Kreuzberger has maxed out we can upgrade them to premiums. Who knows, maybe one of them will turn out to be a premium if they can remain injury free.

Just like we no longer need to pick forwards in the forward line with midfielders more appealing. I think picking Rickman who are basically forwards is the correct move now.

I still might go goldy as he is 10 points undervalued so should average the same.

[meow meow]

Sam Jacobs is least affected by the new scoring losing only 7.1 points. Stefan Martin loses 10.3, Sandilands 10.9, Goldstein 9.7, Mumford 12.5. The best ruck man to choose will be those who pick up lots of possessions around the ground and tap effectively as well. Nic Nat would be my best bet to meet both of those.

How?

Mummy @ 27.2%

2014
Hit outs: 618 = 618 points
to adv: 168 = 336 points
total: 954 points/56.1 ppg

2015
Hit outs: 618 = 0 points
to adv: 168 = 840 points/49.4ppg

Wasn't hits to adv 3 points each last year? So would;
168 x 3 = 504 + 618 = 1122?

You've worked it out as HO's to adv being worth 4 points. Rucks already got 1 point for the hitout, then a further 2 for being effective. Total of 3, not 4.

[GM]

So really the best ruckman will not be disadvantage really.
20 x hits to advantage = 100 points
Thats without any other scoring.
Sauce , Goldy and Nic Nat shoul be fine

[Holz]

So really the best ruckman will not be disadvantage really.
20 x hits to advantage = 100 points
Thats without any other scoring.
Sauce , Goldy and Nic Nat shoul be fine

arent they predicted to drop by about 10 points a game though?

[GM]

So really the best ruckman will not be disadvantage really.
20 x hits to advantage = 100 points
Thats without any other scoring.
Sauce , Goldy and Nic Nat shoul be fine

arent they predicted to drop by about 10 points a game though?

I haven't got the info myself but if hits to adv =5 and 0 for any hitout.
I cant see that it will effect the efficient ruckman.
Are the any points against for a ineffective hitout?
Guys that dont hit to advantage will definitely be in trouble

[MC]

I just had a quick look at some ruck options that I have been considering for SC this year, specifically at HO and disposal averages for 2014. You might be surprised to see who averaged (by far) the most disposals of the rucks last year...
Especially given that regular hitouts won't score points (only effective ones)...

PS. I've rounded the figures & also have only taken home & away game averages

Player             Avg Disposals         Avg Hitouts
NicNat                   12.5                     22
Jacobs                   16.5                     33
Goldy                    12                        34
Maric                     14.5                     26
Minson                   12                       36
Martin                    22.4!                    28
Ryder                     13                       26.5


Berger (2013)         13.5                     30.5
Kreuzer (2013)        12.5                    26.5   
*not inc subbed game


Interesting viewing, shows that some of the 'premium' SC rucks have been boosted significantly by hitouts in the past, (looking at you Minson!) which may no longer be favourable in terms of scoring output. If someone could somehow input % of effective hitouts that would be even better.

Martin is an interesting prospect, 22 disposals per game is amazing for a big ruckman, though this will almost certainly be impeded by the return of Berger.

[Holz]

Nic Nat with soo far disposals and hitouts.

he could get one uncontested clanger all game and they would still give him 100 SC points. He is looking a lock now.

[Jackross10]

Does this change who you think your top 5 rucks will be?

[meow meow]

Nic Nat with soo far disposals and hitouts.

he could get one uncontested clanger all game and they would still give him 100 SC points. He is looking a lock now.

It'd probably be a contested clanger. 72.3% of NN's possessions are contested, highest in the league.

[GM]

Nic Nat with soo far disposals and hitouts.

he could get one uncontested clanger all game and they would still give him 100 SC points. He is looking a lock now.

Reading Sauce's stats from 2014 .
Looks the one now.

[meow meow]

With the AFL Prospectus now out, the changes to the scoring of rucks has been revealed. This may change peoples minds on how they enter the season. Based on the new scoring, all ruck men are expected to lose approx. 10 points off their 2014 average. Hit outs to advantage are now worth 5 points instead of 3, however no points are awarded for a hitout. Champion data are pretty much giving the points to the ruckmen that are effective with taps and win lots of ball around the ground. Will your structure change based on this as Jacobs and Goldstein will lose money off their starting price, and mid pricers like Leuenberger and Kreuzer won't make as much?

At least Kreuzer and Berger would make some money whereas the premium options are almost certain to drop in price due to these new ruck rules.

For the first time, I am actually seriously starting to consider the Kreuzberger combo with Bellchambers as back up. Surely 2 of them will play each week.

Then once the Kreuzberger has maxed out we can upgrade them to premiums. Who knows, maybe one of them will turn out to be a premium if they can remain injury free.

You could say that all the top rucks are going to lose 10ppg/50K, but on the flipside the cheaper rucks are going to make 50K less too so it evens itself out.

[meow meow]

...and after reading into it more, it sounds like possessions won by ruckmen at stoppages will be worth less now that they were in 2014. That explains the drop off for Mumford while Jacobs barely suffers, since he is often involved in general play around the ground.

[Mat0369]

I still think a Kreuz/Nic Nat combo is the winner. If Maric gets injured lock in Hammer though, he had the highest hitout to advantage ratio in the league.