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Started by Holz, January 07, 2015, 11:06:55 AM

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Quote from: Money Shot on January 08, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.

+1

BTW I agree with the Oz, im not sure trading has its place either in this comp, we all have XVs and hundreds of teams each and we trade like rabbits. This comp is a little different, where you only keep three players and then we redraft everyone. I like it and it is something different to the XVs, a welcome change and a new strategy

This from Tbag as well as 3 players keeping

Holz

I have changed my opinion, we can traded in the other comps this is just abit of fun. No trading.

Money Shot

Quote from: Holz on January 08, 2015, 04:56:32 PM
I have changed my opinion, we can traded in the other comps this is just abit of fun. No trading.
+1
I agree for this season especially I think we shouldn't trade and depending on how this season goes we can re-evaluate whether or not trading is the way to go in future seasons.

LF

Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.


Well yeah this is why I would like it to stay as 3 keepers drafted who I thought I might keep.

GoLions

Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.


Well yeah this is why I would like it to stay as 3 keepers drafted who I thought I might keep.
Which is why trading should be allowed because otherwise the best 150 players or thereabouts won't be able to be drafted and the teams who got the not-so-good drafts will struggle to improve.

Ringo

Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.


Well yeah this is why I would like it to stay as 3 keepers drafted who I thought I might keep.
My understanding from the start was that you may keep up to 3 players. Was not mandatory to keep 3 though.

So as that was the rule that was in place can not see how it can be changed now as you say coaches with their first 3 picks in most cases were drafting players they wish to keep.

My 2 cents worth as well we have not even had a season yet so lets see how it shakes down and then look at how we can improve. it is only the 2nd week in January and most drafts will be completed in the next week or two well before season start so can not see what the problem is.

I fully support the no trading as well as this is a fun competition and will rely on best 5 each week only.  And with drafts each year can not see the need.  How groups are decided is probably the only real discussion point and we have a fair amount of time to work on it.


LF

Quote from: GoLions on January 08, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.


Well yeah this is why I would like it to stay as 3 keepers drafted who I thought I might keep.
Which is why trading should be allowed because otherwise the best 150 players or thereabouts won't be able to be drafted and the teams who got the not-so-good drafts will struggle to improve.

This is why tho we will be drafting from different teams each season

JBs-Hawks

 Yea but the 150 best players wont be able to be drafted.

ADEZ

Quote from: GoLions on January 08, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.


Well yeah this is why I would like it to stay as 3 keepers drafted who I thought I might keep.
Which is why trading should be allowed because otherwise the best 150 players or thereabouts won't be able to be drafted and the teams who got the not-so-good drafts will struggle to improve.

This is an excellent point, team that don't have multiple 105+ average players will have to draft incredibly well and have excellent depth compared to those that have a couple dead set guns to start with will have an advantage for the entirety of the competition, sure we draft again but them 150 or so top players will always be out of reach for those with a poor core group.

For instance, I can build my team around NicNat and Danger for the next 5 years and never have a particularly poor team in that time while there will be some in the exact opposite situation

upthemaidens

Quote from: ADEZ on January 08, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: GoLions on January 08, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on January 08, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Quote from: LF on January 08, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
So are we going to be keeping 3 players still?
Or will it depend on how next season will work
Coaches picked on the assumption they were keeping three players, so don't think that should change.


Well yeah this is why I would like it to stay as 3 keepers drafted who I thought I might keep.
Which is why trading should be allowed because otherwise the best 150 players or thereabouts won't be able to be drafted and the teams who got the not-so-good drafts will struggle to improve.

This is an excellent point, team that don't have multiple 105+ average players will have to draft incredibly well and have excellent depth compared to those that have a couple dead set guns to start with will have an advantage for the entirety of the competition, sure we draft again but them 150 or so top players will always be out of reach for those with a poor core group.

For instance, I can build my team around NicNat and Danger for the next 5 years and never have a particularly poor team in that time while there will be some in the exact opposite situation
But if seeded drafting next season is based of how strong your top 3 are,  teams will even out.
        If your keepers are weaker, you'll get a better draft position next year. And that will give you stronger depth then teams with 3 Guns.
   
For the 2016 Season you'll get three different clubs to draft from. There will be plenty of quality players to choose from.
      It's also the best 24 players from those 3 clubs kept, not necessarily the best 150 kept.
  Since groups are not even that will mean some non keepers from one team, will be better than some keepers from other teams.

nrich102

If we end up doing trading you wouldn't be able to retain the players you traded in.

Saying that I don't really think that trading is really needed in this competition.

Either way I think there will still be up to 3 players retained between seasons.

Ringo

To be honest I can not see all coaches keeping 3 players I for one probably will not.

Just look at this years draft admittedly based on last years scores
49 players with average 100+  and 52 players with average between 90 and 100

That is basically 101 players who average more than 90.  Common sense dictates that none of these players will be available for trade as they will be keepers so any trading if allowed will be possible sideways moving so that is why I say trading may be futile.


nrich102

Quote from: Ringo on January 08, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
To be honest I can not see all coaches keeping 3 players I for one probably will not.

Just look at this years draft admittedly based on last years scores
49 players with average 100+  and 52 players with average between 90 and 100

That is basically 101 players who average more than 90.  Common sense dictates that none of these players will be available for trade as they will be keepers so any trading if allowed will be possible sideways moving so that is why I say trading may be futile.
Its not just super premiums that coaches will be retaining, alot of the players retained will be future stars (eg. Heeney).

upthemaidens

Quote from: Ringo on January 08, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
To be honest I can not see all coaches keeping 3 players I for one probably will not.

Just look at this years draft admittedly based on last years scores
49 players with average 100+  and 52 players with average between 90 and 100

That is basically 101 players who average more than 90.  Common sense dictates that none of these players will be available for trade as they will be keepers so any trading if allowed will be possible sideways moving so that is why I say trading may be futile.
If you don't keep 3 players, you could get 0 points for that player and that will place you better in next years draft. 
    That could be a good strategy for some to do.  :)

JBs-Hawks

Thoughts here.

Thinking so that some good players can fall into next years drafts.

Should people nominate there 3 keepers at the start of the season?