cheap cheap forwards

eaglesman · January 06, 2015, 04:21:38 PM

are cheap forwards like boyd petracca b.reid kersten salem blease membrey clark saad jack hogan karnezis worth more of a look at F4.

Obviously most will be picking hogan and clark.

But surely a player like karnezis with a good run at it would be a fair chance to average plenty to justify selection?
what about the job security of the focal point that will be tom boyd?
Petracca likely to run straight into that midfield.

I am not a fan of bellchambers but is this part of the reason for his selection, being it enables you to go deeper in the backline?
Whitecross perhaps is a player we are all hoping will play but perhaps we are dreaming and should be looking at a much more keeper like player and moving waters to D5

The more I look at my team and other teams the more I feel uneasy about the selection of midpricers in defense.

In recent years the general structure has been defenders and forwards 4 premiums 2 rookies, and mids 5 and 3.

Yet in our backlines there are so many people flirting with midpricers only.

shaker · January 06, 2015, 04:37:40 PM

Not F4 but F5 and F6 the forward line is looking the easiest line so far , as for the defense so many high scoring players have been taken away so for me it's pick 2 or 3 of the best and take some risks with the rest there is just to many point scoring machines available in the forwards ;)

Big Mac · January 06, 2015, 04:39:56 PM

I think I speak for most people when I say that Bellchambers is there primarily for the ruck cover he provides - Personally I think he is a must because of that cover and so I haven't really considered any of the names you mentioned.

I do see what you mean though, going with a rookie at f4 (or extra mid pricers in general) could be necessary depending on how many back/mid rookies put their hand up for round one. I'll go through the names you listed.

Boyd - Too expensive for what he will provide. (is around the 200k mark from memory)
Kersten - same as Boyd
Reid - Is he injured?
Petracca - Too expensive and doesn't have the endurance to run through the midfield - If he does play I would expect him to score poorly (he said himself that he sees himself as a forward first, not a mid)
Salem - Could be a good pick, is training well and should score decently
Blease - Would need to work his way in to the Geelong side first
Membrey - Same as Salem
Clark - Lock
Saad - Needs to be upgraded from the rookie list I think?
Jack - Who is he? lol
Hogan - Lock
Karnezis - honestly don't know enough about him to comment

SydneyRox · January 06, 2015, 05:20:25 PM

you couldnt call him cheap cheap, but @ $261k Ben Kennedy looks like a good prospect to me

meow meow · January 06, 2015, 06:11:09 PM

Quote from: SydneyRox on January 06, 2015, 05:20:25 PM
you couldnt call him cheap cheap, but @ $261k Ben Kennedy looks like a good prospect to me

Has to get a game first, which he won't. Broomhead and Fasolo are miles ahead.

GCSkiwi · January 06, 2015, 06:41:42 PM

Quote from: Big Mac on January 06, 2015, 04:39:56 PM
I think I speak for most people when I say that Bellchambers is there primarily for the ruck cover he provides - Personally I think he is a must because of that cover and so I haven't really considered any of the names you mentioned.

I do see what you mean though, going with a rookie at f4 (or extra mid pricers in general) could be necessary depending on how many back/mid rookies put their hand up for round one. I'll go through the names you listed.

Boyd - Too expensive for what he will provide. (is around the 200k mark from memory)
Kersten - same as Boyd
Reid - Is he injured?
Petracca - Too expensive and doesn't have the endurance to run through the midfield - If he does play I would expect him to score poorly (he said himself that he sees himself as a forward first, not a mid)
Salem - Could be a good pick, is training well and should score decently
Blease - Would need to work his way in to the Geelong side first
Membrey - Same as Salem
Clark - Lock
Saad - Needs to be upgraded from the rookie list I think?
Jack - Who is he? lol
Hogan - Lock
Karnezis - honestly don't know enough about him to comment

Think this is a very good summary of things, all I would add about Karnezis is

Quote from: meow meow on January 06, 2015, 06:11:09 PM
Has to get a game first

I honestly don't know how likely that is but just thinking about a pies best 22 I can't see him slotting into that nor would he be that close to knocking on the door - anything to add meow meow?

MC · January 06, 2015, 06:56:48 PM

To all of those people suggesting that Bellchambers is a 'lock' due to the ruck cover... what a load of shower. Basically you either choose 2 premium 'safe' ruckmen such as Jacobs/Goldy/Minson and don't bother with Bellchambers or else you take the punt and go for an injury prone (or returning from injury) player such as Kreuzer/Leuey etc.

No way would you have Bellcho stinking up a spot in your forward line getting 80s when you could have a premium like Swanny getting you 100s each week.

In saying that, if you went very cheap in the rucks by getting two sub-400k players, then it would be a wise move having Bellchambers as a swinging fwd/ruck. Personally not for me

eaglesman · January 06, 2015, 07:11:57 PM

Kind of agree

I currently have
Jacobs Nic nat
Martin Swan lycett in forwards

Basically have lycett as a placeholder at the moment, wait and see how luey Kruezer look in nab and could lower Jacobs to one of them and them ... Have lycett as my swing man and then use cash to upgrade elsewhere

GCSkiwi · January 06, 2015, 07:18:14 PM

Quote from: MC on January 06, 2015, 06:56:48 PM
To all of those people suggesting that Bellchambers is a 'lock' due to the ruck cover... what a load of shower. Basically you either choose 2 premium 'safe' ruckmen such as Jacobs/Goldy/Minson and don't bother with Bellchambers or else you take the punt and go for an injury prone (or returning from injury) player such as Kreuzer/Leuey etc.

No way would you have Bellcho stinking up a spot in your forward line getting 80s when you could have a premium like Swanny getting you 100s each week.

In saying that, if you went very cheap in the rucks by getting two sub-400k players, then it would be a wise move having Bellchambers as a swinging fwd/ruck. Personally not for me

But what if you're going one and one MC, as many are? taking one of Kruzeberger and then a safer R1? Personally I've done that and have Bellf as F5 so I'm not too bothered if he's only hitting 80s there, he's a stepping stone anyway... 300k is priced at ~55, he can make a bit of cash and score me 80s, I'm laughing. situation changes if more rookies are available but that's the case with just about every line this year, realistic rookie prospects aren't great. There are some who will play a few games but I suspect the number of rookies lining up round 1 who will play the opening 10 rounds is very, very limited.

RaisyDaisy · January 06, 2015, 08:48:17 PM

I agree Kiwi

The reason I have got Belly at F4 currently is because I've got a stronger backline and midfield then most teams, and Ive decided to go weaker in the forwards because there seems to be so many decent cheap options there that we don't have available down back

If you start with 2 gun rucks then it probably is overkill having Belly, although he still provides cover if your premo misses a week or two, but guys like Jacobs and Goldy should play every game if history is anything to go by. Having NicNat as one of your two premo's would concern me a little because we know he can miss the odd game here and there with niggles

If you go with a cheaper R2 in Kruez or Leuey, then the 200k you save by doing that is simply used on getting Belly over a rookie. Belly has much better JS than a rookie, should score better than a rookie and should make just as much money as rookie too, so it all balances out

At the end of the day, don't get too focussed on one particular player or one particular line - It's total points across all lines and generating the most points and coin as possible while keeping things like cover and DPP options in mind

Money Shot · January 06, 2015, 09:02:37 PM

Really think the only guys worth taking are Clark and Hogan. with a cheap rookie for cover.

eaglesman · January 06, 2015, 09:45:28 PM

Like this RD words of wisdom here ... Worked lycett in there myself now even with Jacobs and Nic nat

fasttrack13 · January 07, 2015, 05:57:19 PM

Karnezis is not in the pies best 22... Varcoe coming over ruined that for him

meow meow · January 07, 2015, 05:59:41 PM

Quote from: fasttrack13 on January 07, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Karnezis is not in the pies best 22... Varcoe coming over ruined that for him

He's not in their best 30. If you can't run, you can't play and PK can only beat the rucks in time trials.

fasttrack13 · January 07, 2015, 06:02:02 PM

Quote from: meow meow on January 07, 2015, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: fasttrack13 on January 07, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Karnezis is not in the pies best 22... Varcoe coming over ruined that for him

He's not in their best 30. If you can't run, you can't play and PK can only beat the rucks in time trials.

Rucks generally do well in TT's... lol? He still sucks either way. so yeah