2013 SuperCoach Player Profile: Matthew Kreuzer

[salver11]

Big softy. They could have had cotchin over him

i think Carlton have enough A grade midfielders

Not really. Cotchin is coming into his prime as judd is exiting his. Murphy there only other A grader

Yeh but at the time of the draft they needed a ruckman, and still do. Even now Krueuzer probably has more value over Cotchin

This has to be very close to the stupidist comment I have seen on here. Kruezer has more value than Cotchin??? I had Kruzer for a stage last year so watched him pretty closely and he was a massive disappointment. His body isn't upto it, he's not a tall ruckman, is not strong and his bodgy knees don't allow him to jump.

Ruckmen are a dime a dozen, what did the Tigers give up for Ivan, 2 redskins and a paddlepop? It's selections like this that mean that the best ruckmen in the draft now drop to 18th in the draft.

Hampsen offers more to Carl than Kruz!

[Ricochet]

Big softy. They could have had cotchin over him

i think Carlton have enough A grade midfielders

Not really. Cotchin is coming into his prime as judd is exiting his. Murphy there only other A grader

Yeh but at the time of the draft they needed a ruckman, and still do. Even now Krueuzer probably has more value over Cotchin

This has to be very close to the stupidist comment I have seen on here. Kruezer has more value than Cotchin??? I had Kruzer for a stage last year so watched him pretty closely and he was a massive disappointment. His body isn't upto it, he's not a tall ruckman, is not strong and his bodgy knees don't allow him to jump.

Ruckmen are a dime a dozen, what did the Tigers give up for Ivan, 2 redskins and a paddlepop? It's selections like this that mean that the best ruckmen in the draft now drop to 18th in the draft.

Hampsen offers more to Carl than Kruz!

you miss my point Salver. Carlton don't need more midfielders, even if they are the calibre of Cotchin. They do however need decent ruckmen... so Kruez is more valuable to them than a midfielder

[quinny88]

Yeah I see where your coming from rico but I still think cotchin has more worth than kreuz. Maybe im a little bias but I would pick cotchin over kreuzer no matter what the clubs position or needs were.

[dmac07]

Would prefer Goldy/mumford when looking at a cheaper alternative to Nic Nat.

[salver11]

Big softy. They could have had cotchin over him

i think Carlton have enough A grade midfielders

Not really. Cotchin is coming into his prime as judd is exiting his. Murphy there only other A grader

Yeh but at the time of the draft they needed a ruckman, and still do. Even now Krueuzer probably has more value over Cotchin

This has to be very close to the stupidist comment I have seen on here. Kruezer has more value than Cotchin??? I had Kruzer for a stage last year so watched him pretty closely and he was a massive disappointment. His body isn't upto it, he's not a tall ruckman, is not strong and his bodgy knees don't allow him to jump.

Ruckmen are a dime a dozen, what did the Tigers give up for Ivan, 2 redskins and a paddlepop? It's selections like this that mean that the best ruckmen in the draft now drop to 18th in the draft.

Hampsen offers more to Carl than Kruz!

you miss my point Salver. Carlton don't need more midfielders, even if they are the calibre of Cotchin. They do however need decent ruckmen... so Kruez is more valuable to them than a midfielder

I get your point but your wrong. EVERY CLUB needs players like Trent Cotchin. He will be winning the 2013 brownlow. Everytime you hear clubs talk about recruiting they say 'we have such and such deficincies on our list but at the end of the day we'll take the best available talent'. Scotland is 75 this year, Judd while still a match winner isn't where he was at. Guys like Curnow and Armfield get a fair run through the Carlton midfield for pete's sake!

Kruez is an average ruckman at best, honestly David Halle was probably better for the Hawks than Kruz was for Carlton. Stef Martin will probably be more value to Bris than Kruz in 2013.

Excluding Nic Nat who was just an absolute freak of a man even at 17 what match winning ruckmen are there out there and where did they come from/ Jolly's at his 3rd club, Mummy his second. Carlton gave away a better ruckman than Kruz to adelaide for a bottle of sauce! And adelaide gave up big Ivan who's playing well now for a hotdog. And even with some stellar performances It would be very rare that I would describe any of these guys as match winning.

Can think of a pure match winning ruckman momment, Dean cox's last quarter vs North. Where did he come from, oh that's right the rookie list.

It is massive amounts of Midfield depth that wins you a flag, wave after wave of talent running through there so when your oponents lesser likes are in there (Armfield, Curnow etc) you can dominate them around the ground. Hell you don't even need a decent ruckmen to win the clearances, look at the stats vs Sandi.

Take a punt on a ruckman late in the draft or trade for one, don't miss Trent Cotchin!

Every club needs Trent Cotchin ahead of Matthew Kreuzer.

[Ricochet]

Big softy. They could have had cotchin over him

i think Carlton have enough A grade midfielders

Not really. Cotchin is coming into his prime as judd is exiting his. Murphy there only other A grader

Yeh but at the time of the draft they needed a ruckman, and still do. Even now Krueuzer probably has more value over Cotchin

This has to be very close to the stupidist comment I have seen on here. Kruezer has more value than Cotchin??? I had Kruzer for a stage last year so watched him pretty closely and he was a massive disappointment. His body isn't upto it, he's not a tall ruckman, is not strong and his bodgy knees don't allow him to jump.

Ruckmen are a dime a dozen, what did the Tigers give up for Ivan, 2 redskins and a paddlepop? It's selections like this that mean that the best ruckmen in the draft now drop to 18th in the draft.

Hampsen offers more to Carl than Kruz!

you miss my point Salver. Carlton don't need more midfielders, even if they are the calibre of Cotchin. They do however need decent ruckmen... so Kruez is more valuable to them than a midfielder

I get your point but your wrong. EVERY CLUB needs players like Trent Cotchin. He will be winning the 2013 brownlow. Everytime you hear clubs talk about recruiting they say 'we have such and such deficincies on our list but at the end of the day we'll take the best available talent'. Scotland is 75 this year, Judd while still a match winner isn't where he was at. Guys like Curnow and Armfield get a fair run through the Carlton midfield for pete's sake!

Kruez is an average ruckman at best, honestly David Halle was probably better for the Hawks than Kruz was for Carlton. Stef Martin will probably be more value to Bris than Kruz in 2013.

Excluding Nic Nat who was just an absolute freak of a man even at 17 what match winning ruckmen are there out there and where did they come from/ Jolly's at his 3rd club, Mummy his second. Carlton gave away a better ruckman than Kruz to adelaide for a bottle of sauce! And adelaide gave up big Ivan who's playing well now for a hotdog. And even with some stellar performances It would be very rare that I would describe any of these guys as match winning.

Can think of a pure match winning ruckman momment, Dean cox's last quarter vs North. Where did he come from, oh that's right the rookie list.

It is massive amounts of Midfield depth that wins you a flag, wave after wave of talent running through there so when your oponents lesser likes are in there (Armfield, Curnow etc) you can dominate them around the ground. Hell you don't even need a decent ruckmen to win the clearances, look at the stats vs Sandi.

Take a punt on a ruckman late in the draft or trade for one, don't miss Trent Cotchin!

Every club needs Trent Cotchin ahead of Matthew Kreuzer.

did every team need GAJ when he left Geelong... The Cats certainly didn't. Midfielders can be replaced, key position players are more valuable.
When Kreuz was drated... Judd was 25, Murphy 21, Simpson 24, Scotland 28, Carrazzo 25.
Kreuz was touted as the best ruck prospect in a long time and Carlton's rucks stocks were very ordinary
plus he is only 23 and about to hit the prime age for ruckman to breakout.

Look bud i'm not saying Cotchin isn't a gun, because he is a very very good player. But Carlton's midfield has been very good for a long time, where as their ruck stocks haven't. So i don't think they would regret taking Kreuzer when they did

[TeeJay]

Gaj left a team that was in one of the best eras in vfl/afl history, its a little different.

If carlton could swap kreuzer for cotchin they would do it before you could even finish the sentence

[Ziplock]

they wouldn't regret it if kreuzer had developed into someone of jacobs/ marics quality. But as it stands, as of yet, he hasn't, and he's still a b-grade ruck.

Considering prospects like giles are available through competitions like SANFl, VFL etc. who are only a year older than kreuzer, and substantially better players, you can see why players like grundy slipped down to (19?). Rucks are such a difficult spot to pick.

that being said, kreuzer is still young enough that he could live up to his potential... imo he'd need to break out either this year or next though.

[nrich102]

Hes a trap with his injurys etc