Anti Collingwood Thread

[Fletch74]

It is the key Cruise, the back end of the season is when it matters. Percentage and whether you lose a couple of games during the season does not really matter.

That's what makes our game so great!!

In summary, although i don't like to say it, Collingwood dominated the season!!

[BoredSaint]

collingwood definately did dominate the season but it almost went to waste with poor kicking in GF1

[Wes Mantooth]

they dominated the latter three quarters id say.
the parts that matter.

[bunyip]

The Pies dominated in as much as we were guaranteed top position after round 21, had beaten Geelong & St.Kilda in the second half of the season and won about 11 out of our last 12 games.

Granted we didn't dominate in April, May & June but that is the key I would have thought.

The fact that you didn't have top posy guaranteed till round 21 indicates to me you did NOT dominate the season.
You were the better team, at the right end of the season, but don't forget you needed 2 goes to win the premiership, and you got out of jail in the first one. (full credit to Collingwood).
What I'm trying to say is you are not as far ahead of some other teams as it may appear. Next season will tell the story, if the Pies can win back to backs then you have the bragging rights. Good and all as Geelong have been, that's something they could not do. :(

[ossie85]

Don't you worry bunyip, I still remember how I was feeling in the last quarter of the Drawn GF. I know how close it was to utter devastation and me burying my head under a rock for the next life-time or two.

I'm backing Maxwell, Pendles, O'Brien and co. to not let the boys slack off. A few players I question though

Good point though, a second flag puts the Pies on par with Geelong. Hadn't thought of it like that

[BoredSaint]

I think the Hawks team of 08 was of similar age to the current pies team.. too bad they havent done anything since.. :P

[bunyip]

And St. Kilda had better get a move on. They have a team good enough to win a premiership, but keep blowing it. They are not getting any younger either. They need to win it in the next year or so.

[bunyip]

Don't you worry bunyip, I still remember how I was feeling in the last quarter of the Drawn GF. I know how close it was to utter devastation and me burying my head under a rock for the next life-time or two.

I'm backing Maxwell, Pendles, O'Brien and co. to not let the boys slack off. A few players I question though

Good point though, a second flag puts the Pies on par with Geelong. Hadn't thought of it like that

If Collingwood win it next season (God forbid) you will be slightly ahead of Geelong in my opinion. In my humble opinion, our current team ranks second in Geelong's history.

[Cruiseon]

Just to be clear I'm not saying the Pies will dominate next season or even win, you really need some luck to pull that off & in reality St.Kilda, Geelong & the Pies start from the same position, good enough but needing to navigate the many twists & turns of 22 rounds plus finals.

However, despite the draw in which one bounce could have changed everything, I still think history will say the Pies were the most dominant team of 2010.

[bunyip]

If a dominant team can win top position by half a game and kick significantly less points, and have an inferior percentage to the team that came second, then your right. :)
The Pies won the premiership, but to say they dominated the competition is a bit of a stretch.

[ossie85]

I'd say Geelong dominated 2007-2009, even with losing the 08 Grand Final and St. Kilda clearly being the better team in 2009. Lost a few games in 07 (in fact, the Pies of 2010 and the Cats of 2007 followed a very similar path).

And the Cats didn't come second :)

[Cruiseon]

Bunyip, if Collingwood weren't the most dominant team, who was? There has to be one, even if by a slender amount?

I agree with Ossie that the most dominant team doesn't necessarily win the flag.

[hawk_88]

I think by definition whoever was on the top of the ladder was the most dominate. They won the most. It doesn't matter if for single games or even consecutive games you played poorly, overall you were the most dominate.

The only argument I could accept outside of that is percentage, as it is a measure of the quantity of the results, just not the results. Which would make Geelong, not Collingwood the most dominate team of the home and away season.

If you are results focused, then Collingwood was up by 2 points and ultimately the most dominate by a slight margin. The AFL favours points over percentage as the deciding factor of rank.

However percentage is a cumulative measure of the season, not 22 individual matches. It is probably a better indicator of the overall trend with how the season was played, but less valid as if a team is in front, it may alter the way it is played to protect players from injury and in doing so look to ensure a win and not aim for a large margin. Because of this, I would have to say that Collingwood was the dominate team of 2010.... just.

[Cruiseon]

Hawk I agree except when one considers dominance surely the finals must enter the equation. It is worth noting that Geelong lost two finals.

Maybe I've/we've exhausted the fine print associated with dominance, apologies all.

I do however love how an anti-Collingwood thread has morphed into talking about our 2010 dominance.  :D

[bunyip]

yer Cruis....nick off >:(
My interpretation, for what it's worth of a dominant team, is one that clearly leads all facets of the game by a large margin, Collingwood did not do this. They are a good team, but they did not dominate the league last season.
Sorry about that chief. ;D
And we did win 1 final.