Ireland v Australia, International Rules Game 2, 2013

Started by ossie85, October 24, 2013, 04:27:06 PM

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Mailman the 2nd

Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
While there is a fairly large underlying idea of racism in all the media reporting, O'Loughlin really couldn't expect anything more from the team.

isnt the fact that non indeginous players wernt allowed to play in it self rascist though?

it wasnt Ireland v Australia

it was Ireland v a small portion of Australia.

No its not at all racist, it's just a bad move as they represent less of AFL player = less high quality players (i already said that tho)

The fact is, if this was a non-indigenous team that went out drinking and lost by 70 points, they would get less than half the criticism from the media that they're getting now.

It's just disappointing from all aspects by the AFL

Holz

Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
While there is a fairly large underlying idea of racism in all the media reporting, O'Loughlin really couldn't expect anything more from the team.

isnt the fact that non indeginous players wernt allowed to play in it self rascist though?

it wasnt Ireland v Australia

it was Ireland v a small portion of Australia.

No its not at all racist, it's just a bad move as they represent less of AFL player = less high quality players (i already said that tho)

The fact is, if this was a non-indigenous team that went out drinking and lost by 70 points, they would get less than half the criticism from the media that they're getting now.

It's just disappointing from all aspects by the AFL

isnt in unfair that players who want to represent their country arent allowed to because of their race.

I pose another question at you.

if it was the Anglo Saxon All Stars v Ireland do you think anyone would have issue with it,.

Mailman the 2nd

Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
While there is a fairly large underlying idea of racism in all the media reporting, O'Loughlin really couldn't expect anything more from the team.

isnt the fact that non indeginous players wernt allowed to play in it self rascist though?

it wasnt Ireland v Australia

it was Ireland v a small portion of Australia.

No its not at all racist, it's just a bad move as they represent less of AFL player = less high quality players (i already said that tho)

The fact is, if this was a non-indigenous team that went out drinking and lost by 70 points, they would get less than half the criticism from the media that they're getting now.

It's just disappointing from all aspects by the AFL

isnt in unfair that players who want to represent their country arent allowed to because of their race.

I pose another question at you.

if it was the Anglo Saxon All Stars v Ireland do you think anyone would have issue with it,.

You're confusing International Rules as anything but an exhibition match. It isn't the Olympics, the "pride" associated with being picked is close to non-existent beforehand anyway. Players are valuing minor injuries, family and even weddings over these matches.

The mainstream media wouldn't care if it was switched

ossie85


I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a 'racist' concept, but I definitely think it is outdated.

Any rule - in sport or society - that is dependent on your race is something I'm against.

The Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander are not an independent community of Australia, they are not a separate state of Australia, they are part of Australia. Simple as that.

Mailman the 2nd

I wouldn't say it's a racist concept either, but the ideas behind it are one's that were used during Paternalism and Protection policy from a long time ago :)

nostradamus

Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
While there is a fairly large underlying idea of racism in all the media reporting, O'Loughlin really couldn't expect anything more from the team.

isnt the fact that non indeginous players wernt allowed to play in it self rascist though?

it wasnt Ireland v Australia

it was Ireland v a small portion of Australia.

Exactly Holz.....can you imagine the furore had the AFL sent a team exempting indigenous players? It would be just as wrong, but the reaction would have been vastly different

#doublestandards

Holz

Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 01:13:33 PM
Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
While there is a fairly large underlying idea of racism in all the media reporting, O'Loughlin really couldn't expect anything more from the team.

isnt the fact that non indeginous players wernt allowed to play in it self rascist though?

it wasnt Ireland v Australia

it was Ireland v a small portion of Australia.

No its not at all racist, it's just a bad move as they represent less of AFL player = less high quality players (i already said that tho)

The fact is, if this was a non-indigenous team that went out drinking and lost by 70 points, they would get less than half the criticism from the media that they're getting now.

It's just disappointing from all aspects by the AFL

isnt in unfair that players who want to represent their country arent allowed to because of their race.

I pose another question at you.

if it was the Anglo Saxon All Stars v Ireland do you think anyone would have issue with it,.

You're confusing International Rules as anything but an exhibition match. It isn't the Olympics, the "pride" associated with being picked is close to non-existent beforehand anyway. Players are valuing minor injuries, family and even weddings over these matches.

The mainstream media wouldn't care if it was switched

i probably place it much higher due to my Irish heritage and the belief that International Rules for me is the best sport in the world (combines all the aspects of sport that i like)

it would be front page news is they changed it to a white only team.

as Ossie said im against anything that is restricted by race.

State v State in the AFL comp, Country v Country is what is should be.


Mailman the 2nd

No doubt it obviously means more to the Irish culture, although the extent I have little idea

Holz

Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
No doubt it obviously means more to the Irish culture, although the extent I have little idea

its a huge deal, its basically the best of the best who get selected.

Im pretty sure they would get a big crowed if they had Selwood, Cotchin, Ablett, Dangerfield, Fyfe etc.. all lining up.

Mailman the 2nd

Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
No doubt it obviously means more to the Irish culture, although the extent I have little idea

its a huge deal, its basically the best of the best who get selected.

Im pretty sure they would get a big crowed if they had Selwood, Cotchin, Ablett, Dangerfield, Fyfe etc.. all lining up.

Maybe in Australia, but it wouldn't make a difference in Ireland

Holz

Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: Holzman on October 28, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 28, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
No doubt it obviously means more to the Irish culture, although the extent I have little idea

its a huge deal, its basically the best of the best who get selected.

Im pretty sure they would get a big crowed if they had Selwood, Cotchin, Ablett, Dangerfield, Fyfe etc.. all lining up.

Maybe in Australia, but it wouldn't make a difference in Ireland

Ireland isnt the problem, they get the crowds and the viewers.

The crowd was fantastic this series, the faiulrue was australia peformance and australia tv numbers.

Grazz

Quote from: ossie85 on October 28, 2013, 01:18:39 PM

I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a 'racist' concept, but I definitely think it is outdated.

Any rule - in sport or society - that is dependent on your race is something I'm against.

The Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander are not an independent community of Australia, they are not a separate state of Australia, they are part of Australia. Simple as that.

Exactly right mate couldn't of said it better.

nrich102


Kellogscrunchynut

I think most Aussies have lost interest in it, although from what I've heard the Irish love it and bring in the big crowds.