Freo to challenge Fyfe ban

[Ziplock]

Ducking should be classed under staging.

[elephants]

Ducking should be classed under staging.

But being first to the footy shouldn't right? Teams need to change their tackling technique ;)

[Ricochet]

Ducking should be classed under staging.

But being first to the footy shouldn't right? Teams need to change their tackling technique ;)

Have to agree even though I was trying to stir you up before. Joel Selwood put it something like... "exploiting a players weakness in not being able to get low enough or not being strong enough to tackle me below the shoulders".

[elephants]

Ducking should be classed under staging.

But being first to the footy shouldn't right? Teams need to change their tackling technique ;)

Have to agree even though I was trying to stir you up before. Joel Selwood put it something like... "exploiting a players weakness in not being able to get low enough or not being strong enough to tackle me below the shoulders".

Yeah man, I remember talking to you about it and I remember you had the right stance :)

[Ziplock]

its playing for a free, which (despite the term 'winning' a free kick isn't what free kicks are allocated for), it should be classed as the same as staging, if not worse because it risks player injury through deliberate head high contact (albeit to themselves).

[elephants]

its playing for a free playing hard footy. which (despite the term 'winning' a free kick isn't what free kicks are allocated for), it should be classed as the same as staging, if not worse because it risks player injury through deliberate head high contact (albeit to themselves). The Selwood brothers middle names are 'contested ball' and they are all champions.

[Ricochet]

its playing for a free, which (despite the term 'winning' a free kick isn't what free kicks are allocated for), it should be classed as the same as staging, if not worse because it risks player injury through deliberate head high contact (albeit to themselves).

So is running through the mark with your opponent close to you to try and get a 50 for your team, or when a player dives at the ball taking a step forward so they collect your legs to earn a free kick under the new rules, or letting the ball run out after a kick in when no-one has touched it so you get the free kick, or letting the ball run out and throwing your hands in the air after someone kicks it down the line to get a deliberate, or letting go of the ball as you are getting tackled and pinning the tacklers arm so he holds you for longer and you get the free kick,
Its just being smart enough to regain to the ball or gain an advantage for your team

[Ziplock]

its playing for a free, which (despite the term 'winning' a free kick isn't what free kicks are allocated for), it should be classed as the same as staging, if not worse because it risks player injury through deliberate head high contact (albeit to themselves).

So is running through the mark with your opponent close to you to try and get a 50 for your team, or when a player dives at the ball taking a step forward so they collect your legs to earn a free kick under the new rules, or letting the ball run out after a kick in when no-one has touched it so you get the free kick, or letting the ball run out and throwing your hands in the air after someone kicks it down the line to get a deliberate, or letting go of the ball as you are getting tackled and pinning the tacklers arm so he holds you for longer and you get the free kick,
Its just being smart enough to regain to the ball or gain an advantage for your team

most of those arent applicable as they're gameplay rules rather than rules implemented to protect players safety. The one I've highlighted is another that should constitute staging.

[Ricochet]

its playing for a free, which (despite the term 'winning' a free kick isn't what free kicks are allocated for), it should be classed as the same as staging, if not worse because it risks player injury through deliberate head high contact (albeit to themselves).

So is running through the mark with your opponent close to you to try and get a 50 for your team, or when a player dives at the ball taking a step forward so they collect your legs to earn a free kick under the new rules, or letting the ball run out after a kick in when no-one has touched it so you get the free kick, or letting the ball run out and throwing your hands in the air after someone kicks it down the line to get a deliberate, or letting go of the ball as you are getting tackled and pinning the tacklers arm so he holds you for longer and you get the free kick,
Its just being smart enough to regain to the ball or gain an advantage for your team

most of those arent applicable as they're gameplay rules rather than rules implemented to protect players safety. The one I've highlighted is another that should constitute staging.

What about pinning the arm of a tackler so you get a free kick for holding the man. Players will do whatever they can to will the ball back or get a free kick. And some players are dumb enough to get sucked in to it

[Ziplock]

its unsportsmanly, but it's not really a physical danger?

like, you can be penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct, that being said, I cant see the afl really pinning people for those- there's no point, it's too subjective/ hard to define if it's intentional for a free (for instance, running across the mark so you have to be followed, or running across the mark purely to get into an open space/ receive the ball). The subjectivity makes it problematic to pin players for, and since they're not really endangering anyone, it's not really a necessity.

Purposely stepping forward so that contact is made with your shins, or ducking your head in a contest should be paid as free kicks against you though- in the first instance you're endangering yourself with the sliding rule, and also the player going in, without legitimately making a contest for t he ball, while in the second instance you're putting yourself at risk of concussion, head and neck injuries. 

[Ricochet]

its unsportsmanly, but it's not really a physical danger?

like, you can be penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct, that being said, I cant see the afl really pinning people for those- there's no point, it's too subjective/ hard to define if it's intentional for a free (for instance, running across the mark so you have to be followed, or running across the mark purely to get into an open space/ receive the ball). The subjectivity makes it problematic to pin players for, and since they're not really endangering anyone, it's not really a necessity.

Purposely stepping forward so that contact is made with your shins, or ducking your head in a contest should be paid as free kicks against you though- in the first instance you're endangering yourself with the sliding rule, and also the player going in, without legitimately making a contest for t he ball, while in the second instance you're putting yourself at risk of concussion, head and neck injuries.

But then Selwood can argue he is lifting his arms to break the tackle and get away... then it is also too hard to define

[Ziplock]

as I said, in an ideal world you would penalise all unsportsmanly conduct, but thwe majority of them arent actually causing physical harm, so it's not worth the trouble to penalise them and make that distinction.

In this case of ducking, or purposely getting someone to hit you below the legs, it's got large potential for physical injury, so in those cases it is worth the trouble and should be penalised.

[Ricochet]

Sorry mate I disagree. Its part of the game and players need to adapt. Some are clearly smarter, stronger, better and are exploiting their opponents because of it.