Trying out team set ups

Mat0369 · February 22, 2013, 09:03:54 PM

I decided to play around with a team from scratch and filling in players who I regard as must haves and then filling in around them. This included certain rookie priced players I see as first picked

I decided to for 4 premo mids compared to the 3 I had and the couple of mid pricers and also changed Stevie J out due to his suspension. I was struggling to finish my final defender and forward spot with the cash. I tried rotating Goddard and Enright around along with multiple forward options. I finally settled on this team.

Defenders: Goddard, Gibbs, Broughton, Hibberd, Yarran, Russell, Goodes, Docherty
Mids: Ablett, Pendles, Murph, Jack, Embley, Toumpas, Stevens, Crouch, Viney, O’Meara
Ruck: Goldy, Leuenberger, Currie, Rowe
Forward: Cox, Rockliff, Christensen, Varcoe, JJ Kennedy, Knights, Lee, Macaffer

7,500 cash left

I personally would like to see more from Goodes before locking him in. He had good disposal in the shortened games but didn't really touch it uness he did a Heath Shaw and kicked it to himself. Pittard and Pitt are the two interchangable options at that point.

I think my final team might look vastly different. There are quite a few guys on my radar right now in the mid price now, Hibberd being one. I would like to see more in the NAB from them before putting them in.

I am contemplating running with the 3 premos in the midfield and picking up someone like Moloney instead of Pendles to free up the cash which might help out upgrading some of the more questionable guys. Maybe a Goddard to Enright downgrade could be another option. I don't like having Knights in the team and Lee does not instill me with to much confidence.

Majak Daw is looking pretty good right now as well

Bluesboy99 · February 23, 2013, 12:05:32 AM

Not sure about Hibberd, Broughton or Russell. I'd probably swap Russell into a cash cow such as Osborne, Pittard or Terlich. With the spare cash, you could trade Hibberd into either Waters or Shaw.
I like the midfield and rucks but the forwards seem to be a little weak. Christensen and Varcoe could be two good unique's for your team but I'm not sure on Kennedy and Knights. Franklin is almost a must have so definitely consider getting him in there.
Overall, your team is pretty good with a few changes needed. Rate: 6/10

Mat0369 · February 23, 2013, 12:27:55 AM

Quote from: Bluesboy99 on February 23, 2013, 12:05:32 AM
Not sure about Hibberd, Broughton or Russell. I'd probably swap Russell into a cash cow such as Osborne, Pittard or Terlich. With the spare cash, you could trade Hibberd into either Waters or Shaw.
I like the midfield and rucks but the forwards seem to be a little weak. Christensen and Varcoe could be two good unique's for your team but I'm not sure on Kennedy and Knights. Franklin is almost a must have so definitely consider getting him in there.
Overall, your team is pretty good with a few changes needed. Rate: 6/10

Hibberd was averaging 96 before his hamstring went ping against the Pies in a game he was doing well early in the 1st. Those are premium numbers for a defender and he looked the goods last week, he really impressed me. I am curious to see Broughtons role, but a lot are put off him due to the way Ross Lyon used him. He won't be a forward tagger at the GC. Russell was impressive, he is a guy who averaged mid 80's a couple years back and finished second in the blues b&f. He is the perfect position to get me some cash and put up solid scores. Terlich was disgusting with his ball use tonight, I am looking at switching Pittard with Goodes.

JJ is a cash cow of sorts, Knights was actually impressive tonight but I did not like the selection either. This is just a team I was sort of playing around with for the moment. By going the 4 premium mids I figured I either can not afford Goddard in defense or go with a mid price guy like Christensen.

tbagrocks · February 23, 2013, 03:44:33 AM

Sure is a unigue team but honestly I don't disagree with any of it

3 prem mid is a no, Can't afford to do that, a 5 rook mid is the most you can afford to do, points behind the leaders or a top 4 in your league? To many trades this year to focus on league worry about that later, you can't afford to leave the top teams with the 5-6 midfield with that greater start

Mat0369 · February 23, 2013, 03:52:57 AM

Quote from: tbagrocks on February 23, 2013, 03:44:33 AM
Sure is a unigue team but honestly I don't disagree with any of it

3 prem mid is a no, Can't afford to do that, a 5 rook mid is the most you can afford to do, points behind the leaders or a top 4 in your league? To many trades this year to focus on league worry about that later, you can't afford to leave the top teams with the 5-6 midfield with that greater start

I was a bit bored last night so thought I would just build a team from scratch and play around with the cash and see where I can spend it best after picking guys like Ablett and Cox. It was more just an experiment to see where the cash is best spent and how the weaknesses compare. I think you are right in that guys who are loading up and the point differential between the mid rookies and premos is to great to not have 4 guys in there. I might do the math and repost it in here of the actual differential based on last years averages. I think I started this thread more for discussion instead of an overall rating as I don't think my final team will look like this one. The lines are similar to what I currently have but I am just still trying to figure out the best way to spend the cash

tbagrocks · February 23, 2013, 06:04:01 AM

Serve it up man ;D what are you thinking compaired to that last team?

Mat0369 · February 23, 2013, 07:13:05 PM

What I am thinking of doing is using last years rookie class as a gauge on where the money is better spent. So picking the top 8 premium mids and the top 8 scoring rookies to get an average and work out the point differential and doing the same with the defenders and forwards but only using 6 for those positions as you only start 6. From there I want to break down the salary cap and see where exactly it is best off using the money on premiums and mid priced guys compared to the other positions. So am I better off loading up in the backs, forwards or mids. Obviously we know that a mid scores more then a defender, but with the cap being so tight with the extra mids on the field I think the money has to be spent better. So an example is a team with 5 mid premos and 3 or 4 rookies in the back end compared to a team with 4 mid premos and 3 defender premos with a couple of mid pricers.

I will post the numbers in this thread. I will start working on it now and post each player and their average.

Mat0369 · February 23, 2013, 08:20:03 PM

So I just broke down my numbers, I have two sets of averages for the forwards since guys like Treloar and Adams don't have DPP status anymore.

Top 6 Defenders (not including Deledio since he lost DPP): Goddard, Shaw, Scotland, Waters, Gibbs, Birchall
Top 6 Rookies: Bugg, Spurr, Hombsh, Clarke, Mohr, Morris

Top 8 Mids: Ablett, Swan, Pendles, Beams, Watson, JPK, Dangerfield, Selwood
Top 8 Rookies: Zorko, Greene, Treloar, Gibson, Coniglio, Shiel, Adams, Horsely

Top 6 Forwards (includes new DPP's but missing old ones like Dangerfield and Beams): Buddy, Nic Nat, Cox, Pav, Ryder, Roughie
Top 6 Rookies: Zorko, Dickson, Stanley, Casboult, Dev Smith and Milera

I noticed that the rookies forwards had lost the scoring averages of Treloar and Adams which bumped them down but I have posted the averages below. Forward 2 includes Treloar and Adams in the averages

Premo Def: 98.7
Rookie Def: 67.2 Differential of 31.5
Premo Mid: 123.5
Rookie Mid: 82 Differential of 41.5
Premo Fwd: 110.3
Rookie Fwd: 71 Diff of 39.3
Rookie Fwd 2: 76.3 Diff of 34

Differential between each rookie position: Defender to mid is 14.8 in advantage of the mids Mid to FWD 1 is 11 in advantage of the mids, Mid to FWD 2 is 5.7 in advantage to mids, Def to FWD 1 is 3.8 in advantage of forwards and Def to FWD 2 is 9.1 in advantage of forwards

In the premiums
Def>>>>Mid 24.8 point advantage in mids
DEF>>>FWD 11.6 advantage in Fwd
MID>>>FWD 13.2 advantage in mids.

I will keep crunching numbers and see if I can come up with a pricing strategy that will work best.

Mat0369 · February 23, 2013, 09:24:39 PM

So I did a team where I picked 5 premo mids, 3 premo fwds and backs, and filled the rest of the starters with rookies while leaving the rucks Goldstein and Leuenberger for now

I also did one with 4 mids and then added a premo to either the backs or fwds while calculating a score on averages.

5 premo mid team: 1921 using rookie and premium averages for all positions 181,700 left over
4 premo defenders 4 mids 3 forwards: 1911, 293,700 left over
4 mids, 4 fwds, 3 defenders: 1913.5 with 230,900 left over.

I also did one with 3 premo mids Fyfe and a 4 premo in Defense and the mids.

1911.5 with 24,800

I am thinking that a team with 4 premiums in defense and the forward line, 2 in defense and 2 mid pricers could work well. But if you can find a couple of mid price defenders like Broughton and someone else ( I currently have Hibberd in this test team) you may be better off running with only 2 premium defenders. If say Broughton can average a 90 on the year, the team score lifts to 1927.6 with 39,900 remaining which is the highest of the lot.

Mat0369 · March 11, 2013, 07:00:38 PM

Again this thread is not for my actual team but just strategies I have been playing around with to create some discussion.

So here is the new team I have been playing around with

Goddard, Gibbs, Hibberd, Yarran, Russell, Goodes, Pittard, Docherty
Ablett, Beams, Murphy, Jack, Moloney, Koby Stevens, Wines, Crouch, Viney, O'Meara
Leuenberger, Bailey, Rowe, Daw/Currie
Buddy, Cox, Rockliff, Johnson, Kennedy, Varcoe, Neade, Macaffer

$13,600 cash left.

Russell and Hibberd I have been super impressed with in the NAB. I tried going two mid priced rucks to see how the cash would free up. It looks good if Bailey plays, but that is the if. JJ could go to Byrnes, Karnezis or Petterd pending cash, but I like JJ and his ability to hit 500k pretty quickly.