Starting 22 structure

[ben_020285]

I've been trying to think which is the best setup to begin with for the 22 on field players.

A. 13 prems, 2 cheapies, 7 rookies
or
B. 14 prems, 1 cheapie, 7 rookies
or
C. 14 prems, 8 rookies

A. This option means that you can just about choose 13 prems of your choice with a couple of cheapie players e.g Lake, Porps. Element of risk with 2 cheapies in the one side.
B. This option means that your choice of 14 prems are limited because you will need the cash to pay for a cheapie, less risk though than option A.
C. This option means that you can choose 14 prems of your choice but means you will be starting 8 rookies on the field which is high risk.

Thoughts on which structure is best and why?

Cheers. 

[alex87]

Nice article mate!

I've been weighing up these options and each has its own risks and rewards.

I think at a minimum you should have 14 premiums. Any less seems to be too risky. You cant upgrade all your players in time.

Of course on the flipside if you go option A 2 players can be potential premiums at nearly half the price of a premium.
See Drew Petrie.

But that can backfire badly.
See Andrejs Everitt.

For me I'm going with option C. The rookies, if playing, have only 1 way to go. Up.

You can have a better selection of the higher priced rookies (Coniglio) or bank the cash for upgrades and start with cheaper rookies (McDonald)

This will leave me open to anyone whose willing to risk players like Porps, Lake, Conca, Hargrave etc etc and they manage to pay off but I just hate mid priced players. They annoy me.

[Talisman]

I would suggest placing a blanket ban on any type of player is dangerous in itself. Let's say for arguments sake G.Ablett does his knee halfway through his first game in Rd.1. He's out for the year & would start next year at a significantly reduced rate, making him a mid priced player. Now let's imagine his recovery goes perfectly & he's flying next preseason, are you sayng you won't select him to start next year simply because you hate mid priced players? Or because they annoy you?

Obviously the above is a fairly extreme example - althought not completely unimaginable.

My point is that one needs perspective and to be open to all possibilities and outcomes. I agree that this is a very interesting thread, but I believe the individual players one selects are more important than the structure they pick. For example if you were to pick Lake and he ended the season with an ave of 100ppg (might not happen but by the same token every chance it may) you would have saved apx. $300,000 on starting another prem (who may have a bad season) or you would have saved 2 trades to upgrade a rookie to a prem (whilst downgrading another rookie).

I think a spread of different players can be beneficial as it can spread the risk, including whether they are premiums, mid-pricers and rookies. Putting all your eggs in one basket can present problems. I also worry about the ability to upgrade rookies in time...

[alex87]

Some very valid points there Talisman.

I like your Ablett scenario (I pray it doesn’t happen) but you raise a valid point about choosing a mid pricer.

It all comes down to whether or not you believe someone like Lake or Porplyzia can regain their previous years form.
Like Lake punching out back to back 170s in 2010!

Or if they struggle to return that form and cost you the win whilst a rookie in the same positions knocks out consistent scores.

If they show the signs on previous years form then by all means go for it.
But you may find yourself in a position not to dissimilar to Dr Jekyll.

[Ringo]

Depends on your definition of prems: Assuming Brown did not reinjure himself would he be a prem or a cheapie.

At the moment I consider I have 14 prems including Adcock, Birchall, Martin and Dangerfield all priced above $425k  and then Porps as a cheapie.

So you can say my structure is 14 prems, 1 cheapie, and 7 rokkies.

[devize]

I got 13 + dangerfield + lake atm. Like the look of having 7 rookies playing rather than 8.

[benjy251090]

I have the 13 prems (Martin and Birchall being the cheapest of those), 2 mids (Lake and Porps) and 7 rookies. I see that as needing 9 upgrades as the 13 prems I have will be in the top handful of their respective lines (barring injury) and I see Lake and Porps as better options than rookies this year as there is not a great deal of good rookies around, and the good ones are injured so will be good downgrade options.

[Squalidly Pristine]

in the end it all comes down to whether or not you can upgrade your players to guns by the years end and with only 24 trades during the season that will be difficult.
could we consider malceski as a cheapie. his breakeven is 67 and he can easily provide scores in the 80's or 90's which would elevate his price high enough to have a direct change to a premium.

our premiums are our locks right? ablett and goddard in our squads are planned to stay there for the whole season on the basis that they will retain their averages from last season or there abouts. unless of course they get injured (touch wood) in which case can be traded for another fit premium of that price. i like to save about 3 or 4 of my trades just in case of injury. so that leaves 20 trades.

the more cheapies and rookies you have the more work youll need to upgrade them at a later date.

but id like to create 2 more categories. the one that fits the porplyzias and bowers and coniglios of the world. the low cheapies. and malceski being a high cheapy. and a rookie being someone 135k or lower

also we must consider the structure relating to different positions. ie should we go a 3 premium/1 low cheapy/2 rookies or a 4 premium/2 rookie midfield.

i think the best way to think about this would be by using a table:
P=premium H=high cheapy C=cheapy L=low cheapy R=rookie

some possible combinations:

def: P, P, P, P, H, L, R

mid: P, P, P, P, L, R

ruc: P, R

fwd: P, P, P, P, L, R, R

with this scenario there are 13 premiums, 1 high cheapy, 1 cheapy, 2 low cheapy and 5 rookies 
personally i think this structure is the best to use but still need to think carefully about it. good thread let's keep discussing. any thoughts??

[thebrock]

At the moment I have 14 premiums if I include Danger and Kruezer as premos. 2 cheapies in Porps and Lake and 6 rookies on the park.

Very seriously considering the 1-3 ruck strategy... Kruz to the Big O and Giles on the Park could leave me with enough cash to upgrade Danger to and out and out premo plus enough cash to upgrade some dirt cheap rookies to a Pheiffer or Coniglio....