re the byes and the $50k car and $1k top score per round

[Sabretooth Tigers]

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Looking at the three byes I think the best way of dealing with them, especially the way I want my team structured, is definitely pick the team that will get maximum points leading up to them. Cash cowing and any upgrading can also be done with a view to the byes and the more dpp's the better. My current side has 14 out of rd 11,  11 out of round 12, and7 out of round 13. As GWS has the bye in round 11 I'm not too concerned about the 14, 3 good upgrades from GWS players leaves me with only 1 doughnut, the 3 trades also cover round 12. That is that 1 of  trades must be chosen from  teams that have the last bye. So provided there are plenty of dpp's that are suitably placed this method produces only 1 doughnut. Another interesting fact is that Melbourne v GWS twice, round 13 and round 21, the latter being the second week of SC finals. So even though Melb plays in rd 12 I would be very tempted to trade in two Melb keepers then one player from rd 13 which as I said produces just the 1 doughnut. Now how about winning some money. Gws is gonna get murdered this season, and logically speaking the team that is loaded up with the stars of a GWS opponent which includes the weekly captain should take a helluva lot of beating for the weekly $1000 plus the car. There is a way to do this without affecting your SC season, but enough, I've been running off at the mouth too much already.
All comments, criticisms and sugestions are greatfully anticipated and appreciated, cheers. PS my current team has 15 dpp's and is a bit different to the one I displayed earlier on. Goodluck to everyone and something that may be overdue, a very special thanks to the creators of Fanfooty. This is a great website.

Sir Ringo and Lord Colliwobblers any thoughts ???

[itchytradefinger]

Do you think it's more important to pick a side around the byes or simply to pick the best team available?

[Sabretooth Tigers]

Reckon you can do both, flexibility being the key. There are plenty of very good dpp's that won't lose us anything score wise and if I do have to sacrifice during the byes it will definitely be when GWS has its. Coz can always make it up with players against them re Tiges or Demons. But if it comes to the crunch scores are what it's all about it just depends where your team is placed at the time. Personally Sabre's are going for scores 1st but can also handle the bye situation without too much loss. No matter what we all come up with we're all still gonna be slightly screwed by them. Cheers.

[Colliwobblers]

There are a couple of points to make about the byes.

1. the structure leading into the byes needs to be 8-11-11. this doesnt need to be the setup from round 1 just from round 11.

you then make no trades round 11. you trade 3 out round 12 with round 11 players. (11-8-11)

you trade 3 out round 13 ( ?-?-8) this way you only evver have the 8 players each round on the bye, providing that all other players you have a re playing you have all those 8 on the bench you get no donuts.

2. no donuts wont happen because it is almost impossible to expect every player you have to be playing during these three rounds, with zero backup (all other players 8 on bench are on byes).

3. this plan will only work if you DO NOT PICK ANYMORE KEEPERS THAN 2 IN EACH d/m/f line on the same bye.

for example, if you have goddard, scotland and delidio in your backline- you either have to trade one out before round 13 or accept a donut for one of them during round 13.

same if you have swan penleds and jelwood in the mids, one must be traded out before round 12 or you must accept a donut for them.

* this is where the dilemna starts and you must ask yourself which option you prefer.

1. start with the best premiums and ignore byes, = then =

a) take donuts for them during byes or (cost you no trades but may cost you having the best premiums from the start)
b) trade them out before byes to avoid donuts, = then =

b1) trade them back in after byes ( this has cost you 2 trades per premium) or
b2) keep them out of your side and keep the premium you traded in for them before the bye. ( this costs you 1 trade per premium but means you give up the premium you thought best for the second half of the season)

2. You start with balanced premiums that work for the byes and do not have to sideways trade them or take donuts for them, but you may want to in order to get the better premiums you didnt pick because of byes in later or you simply ugreade rooks to those premiums as you go.

either way the options under 1. allow you higher scoring for having the best premiums and may cost you 2 or 3 donuts (extra) at most. SO do the "best" premiums score more than the donuts they may cost you over the first 10 rounds??
And Or the option 1 options may cost you a lot of trades in sideways trading premiums out and possibly back in, this means YOU BETTER have balanced rooks by those rounds because you will be using all your bye round trades on the premiums.

Option 2 you don't have the best premium neccessarily on the field but you dont have to trade any premiums out over the three rounds, all your trade leading up to the byes and during them are to upgrade and downgrade rooks (which is kinda preferable to a sideways trade that avoids nothing other than avoiding a bye donut)

Me I am looking to go option 1 a) pick the best and dont trade them out cop a donut for them (if they are flying if not i will sideways trade and avoid the donut if possible (keeping in mind all the rooks have to be balanced by then also so trades will not be in great supply)

For my team at the moment this will mean a donut in def and a donut in forwards (or a premium trade required) DEF in round 13. FWD in round 12.

My rucks and mids will be spread to not need any premium trading over the byes.

THE UNAVOIDABLE BYE DONUTS

this is with my rucks it works out different with different rucks / and working on a 8-11-11 structure coming into round 11.

* ok so having 8 on the bench means no donut right? wrong.

say you have burger/sandi giles/stephensen  11-12-11-12 (byes)

in round 11 you have 2 on the bench (with bye) and 6 (with bye) in total from all the other lines to go on 6 bench spots
in round 12 you have 2 on the bench (with bye) and 6 (with bye) in total from all the other lines to go on 6 bench spots
in round 13 you have 0 on the bench (with bye) and 8 (with bye) in total from all the other lines to go on 6 bench spots

with this set up of rucks you HAVE TO take 2 donuts in round 13

WHY? because with the 8-11-11 structure as described above you HAVE TO trade out 3 round 13 players to avoid donuts, so you dont have any trades to fix this.

I THINK the only option to deal with this problem is DPP rucks and that means bid risks in scoring potential of your rucks.

What this means for my team is my round 13 defender premium is 1 compulsory donut (yay)
my round 12 forward is a non-compulsory-extra) donut (boo)
i also get my second compulsory donut in round 13.

So some people (who do not use a dpp ruck strategy will get 2 donuts only where i have chosen to get an extra 1 by having 3 premium round 12 bye forward. I cant fix this as i have explained due to the ruck set up.

My only other otion to cut my donuts to 2 is to remover the 3rd round 12 bye premium forward i have.

Hope this all makes some sense and more importantly i hope it is correct and i hope even more if it is not someone will correct it.

[Ringo]

Colli

You have summed up beautifully.  I have forecast that all being well I may only get one donut in Round 13.
Doing a lot of investigations at the moment to see whether I can use the new DPP rules to avoid a donut without sacrificing my team. eg Cordy and Lycett have round 11 bye so may be able to use to advantage but still trying to get my head around how this rule works.

[Colliwobblers]

Colli

You have summed up beautifully.  I have forecast that all being well I may only get one donut in Round 13.
Doing a lot of investigations at the moment to see whether I can use the new DPP rules to avoid a donut without sacrificing my team. eg Cordy and Lycett have round 11 bye so may be able to use to advantage but still trying to get my head around how this rule works.

Yeah i haveseen all your posts on DPP Ringo and you look to know a lot more about it than most certainly more than me :) my method doesnt involve DPP in ruck or any other position.

I am waiting on you to tell us all how we can use DPP to out advantage for the byes :) we all know how it all works but working out where to have what dpp players and how it will help, thats another level of understanding.

[Ringo]

Thank You but pure maths is telling me DPP will not be a real help overall during the byes.

But say for argument sake you had 3 players with a round 12 bye in mids possible
and 3 players with a bye in round 13 and you had a DPP between the 2 line you could switch around during rounds 12 and 13.
However my main use and recommendation in using rookies as DPP is to cover short term injuries and suspensions without burning trades during the season eg Selwood suspended for 2 matches - Have Goddard in defence can move to mids via rookie DPP,  Relies on bench rookies scoring well as well.

[Colliwobblers]

spot on Ringo the dpp are trade savers and donut savers and to have them i think is worth 10-20 scoring points less for the security of the dpp player (rook) for the situations you outlined