Round 1 Thread

[Football Factory]

That's bullshower, Henderson was always my back emergency, I named Bugg as the sub, as you guys don't tell people to name emergency positions I didn't bother. Henderson (B)

But Bugg is a Def/Mid so as the first named Def emerg he goes into the team.

That has always been the emergency rule. It is also in the rulebook, i know no one reads it but I have spent plenty of time revising it from the original, updating as we voted on items.

Exactly why I didn't vote for the shower sub rule .. not even going to name one from now on .. I get flowered because he's a dual player.

Bugg was named as the sub because he plays through the mids and scores well, if we had to name positions which we don't ..don't know why ? I would have put Bugg (sub) (M) and Henderson (B) if you look at my team I have named a player from each position they just don't have (M),(B),(F),(R) next to them.

HOUSTON BOMBERS

D: Andrew Mackie (DNP), Alex Rance (112), Cale Hooker (106), Heritier Lumumba (73)
M: Dayne Beams(108x2=216)(C),Brandon Ellis(123x1.5=185)(VC),Rory Sloane(145)(EVC),Travis Boak(78),Chris Masten(93), Stephen Hill(53)
R: Dawson Simpson (38)
F: Michael Walters (52), Steven Motlop (92), Taylor Adams (98), Jack Riewoldt (89) 
U: Isaac Smith (63), Lachie Henderson (60), Paul Puopolo (103)
Emg: Tomas Bugg (72) (Sub), Ricky Henderson (53), Joe Daniher (45), Tom Hickey (DNP)

[kilbluff1985]

geez way to overreact

[Football Factory]

geez way to overreact

Go flower yourself  ;)

[Grannyboy]

+1
Good one KB

[Grannyboy]

That's bullshower, Henderson was always my back emergency, I named Bugg as the sub, as you guys don't tell people to name emergency positions I didn't bother. Henderson (B)

But Bugg is a Def/Mid so as the first named Def emerg he goes into the team.

That has always been the emergency rule. It is also in the rulebook, i know no one reads it but I have spent plenty of time revising it from the original, updating as we voted on items.

Exactly why I didn't vote for the shower sub rule .. not even going to name one from now on .. I get flowered because he's a dual player.

Bugg was named as the sub because he plays through the mids and scores well, if we had to name positions which we don't ..don't know why ? I would have put Bugg (sub) (M) and Henderson (B) if you look at my team I have named a player from each position they just don't have (M),(B),(F),(R) next to them.

Seems an odd rule if 1 coach gets his lowest playing score replaced which also improves their HGA score (if they are at home that round) in the process. But another coach has to use it to cover a doughie when that's what the bench is for! Therefore the sub doesn't get to cover your lowest playing score it's doing the job of your bench and replacing doughies - that's a harsh, silly and hypocritical rule. Why name a bench if your sub is going to be used to replace doughies???

[SydneyRox]

That's bullshower, Henderson was always my back emergency, I named Bugg as the sub, as you guys don't tell people to name emergency positions I didn't bother. Henderson (B)

But Bugg is a Def/Mid so as the first named Def emerg he goes into the team.

That has always been the emergency rule. It is also in the rulebook, i know no one reads it but I have spent plenty of time revising it from the original, updating as we voted on items.

Exactly why I didn't vote for the shower sub rule .. not even going to name one from now on .. I get flowered because he's a dual player.

Bugg was named as the sub because he plays through the mids and scores well, if we had to name positions which we don't ..don't know why ? I would have put Bugg (sub) (M) and Henderson (B) if you look at my team I have named a player from each position they just don't have (M),(B),(F),(R) next to them.

Seems an odd rule if 1 coach gets his lowest playing score replaced which also improves their HGA score (if they are at home that round) in the process. But another coach has to use it to cover a doughie when that's what the bench is for! Therefore the sub doesn't get to cover your lowest playing score it's doing the job of your bench and replacing doughies - that's a harsh, silly and hypocritical rule. Why name a bench if your sub is going to be used to replace doughies???

To clarify GB, the sub does not effect the HGA. That score is lowest onfield before capt/vice capt and subs.

This rule operates the same in BXV (just as a way of showing we are not a one off)

This was the rule as voted in. You can raise the issue next off season if you want to vote to change it.

[Football Factory]

Bugg was named as a midfielder and was the sub, Henderson was my Back emergency. Still maintain that I am right and you are wrong.

[kilbluff1985]

can you present evidence Bugg was named as a midfielder i don't see any

[Football Factory]

can you present evidence Bugg was named as a midfielder i don't see any

Can you provide evidence that he was not.

Like all my teams ..I name one player from each position.

D: Andrew Mackie (DNP), Alex Rance (112), Cale Hooker (106), Heritier Lumumba (73)
M: Dayne Beams(108x2=216)(C),Brandon Ellis(123x1.5=185)(VC),Rory Sloane(145)(EVC),Travis Boak(78),Chris Masten(93), Stephen Hill(53)
R: Dawson Simpson (38)
F: Michael Walters (52), Steven Motlop (92), Taylor Adams (98), Jack Riewoldt (89) 
U: Isaac Smith (63), Lachie Henderson (60), Paul Puopolo (103)
Emg: Tomas Bugg(72)(Sub)(M),Ricky Henderson(53)(B),Joe Daniher(45)(F),Tom Hickey(DNP)(R)

Don't know why I have to explain this to you its none of your business flower off.

[kilbluff1985]

just have a tantrum and quit the competition like usual if you don't like something then

[Football Factory]

just have a tantrum and quit the competition like usual if you don't like something then

What a fantastic idea

[powersuperkents]

can you present evidence Bugg was named as a midfielder i don't see any

Can you provide evidence that he was not.

Like all my teams ..I name one player from each position.

D: Andrew Mackie (DNP), Alex Rance (112), Cale Hooker (106), Heritier Lumumba (73)
M: Dayne Beams(108x2=216)(C),Brandon Ellis(123x1.5=185)(VC),Rory Sloane(145)(EVC),Travis Boak(78),Chris Masten(93), Stephen Hill(53)
R: Dawson Simpson (38)
F: Michael Walters (52), Steven Motlop (92), Taylor Adams (98), Jack Riewoldt (89) 
U: Isaac Smith (63), Lachie Henderson (60), Paul Puopolo (103)
Emg: Tomas Bugg(72)(Sub)(M),Ricky Henderson(53)(B),Joe Daniher(45)(F),Tom Hickey(DNP)(R)

Don't know why I have to explain this to you its none of your business flower off.

Published 28th March

"HOUSTON BOMBERS

D: Andrew Mackie, Alex Rance (112), Cale Hooker, Heritier Lumumba
M: Dayne Beams (C), Brandon Ellis (123 x 1.5 = 185)  (VC), Rory Sloane (EVC), Travis Boak, Chris Masten, Stephen Hill
R: Dawson Simpson
F: Michael Walters, Steven Motlop, Taylor Adams, Jack Riewoldt (89)
U: Isaac Smith, Lachie Henderson (60), Paul Puopolo
Emg: Tomas Bugg (Sub), Ricky Henderson, Joe Daniher , Tom Hickey

4/446 Vice played

Revised team"

Firstly, FF named Bugg as sub. The sub rule clearly stipulates that "if the SUB scores more than a player named on your team, the SUB score will count in place of the lowest scoring player" and "if the SUB is activated they cannot provide emergency support. Players named as SUB, take that role first". On the facts, Simpson scored 38. Therefore, the sub is activated to replace his score and the sub cannot replace Mackie - i.e. for the sub not to be activated, every player named on the field needed to score more than 72.

Secondly, "emergencies must cover a player in the position they play" and they are "taken in the order they are named to cover non playing players by first named emergency in that position". On the facts, FF omitted to name the position of his emergency. However, FF did not fail in publishing that Tomas Bugg was his nominated 'substitute'. Therefore, Henderson was the only listed emergency who could assume Mackie's position. 

Finally, it would appear FF is correct. Until we review the final emergency rule (which I assume is the source of FF's confusion). The rule governing the interplay between substitutes and emergencies states that "if the sub has not been used as an emergency replacement and scores higher than the lowest scoring player on the field then the subs score is taken". On the facts, Bugg was used as an emergency replacement for Mackie thus rendering everything previously stated irrelevant. The consensus is that Bugg was FF's first listed defender (due to DPP status) and therefore the primary replacement for Mackie.

Honestly, the confusion is that FF thinks this is a dispute about which position Bugg was assigned. Really this is a dispute over the principle that a substitute will be used as the primary emergency, regardless of position, if they are the first named emergency in the relevant position. Remember the substitute is, theoretically, just an emergency with potential benefits. Those benefits, generally, expire as soon as a '(DNP)' is registered.

I am of the opinion is that from this day onwards, FF should name the substitute as the last player out of the four emergencies. Furthermore, I would say these rules are highly contradictory and require amendment - specifically "if the sub has not been used as an emergency replacement and scores higher than the lowest scoring player on the field then the subs score is taken" and "if the SUB is activated they cannot provide emergency support. Players named as SUB, take that role first". The real issue is what takes precedence? These two rules are in-congruent - one inferring that the role as an emergency prevails, the latter favours the role of the substitute...

I would personally rule in favour of FF due to this error (as the confusion is no fault of his) and propose these rules are reviewed. I'm sure the changes sought by FF will have no impact upon the outcome of the match. However, I would, again, states that FF should name his substitute as the last listed emergency until, at least, the rules are reviewed (most likely occurring next season). I'm sure this is not an unreasonable demand.     

[SydneyRox]

I am locking the thread.

Its not about pointing out errors here and there. If the rules were not clear, even though I think they were, I am sorry.

The issue is that the rules as I have stated is how they were meant to be interpreted and they will be enforced for the rest of the year that way, so while I am sorry FF (and his opponent Tdog it turns out) feel the brunt of the rule, making an exception isnt the right call.

Lets all just be sure that you know how it works from round 2 onwards.