A disgrace.

[Dudge]

Doe's seem a bit precious how Vic teams count all THEIR cups, and interstate teams can't count theirs. Only good thing I suppose, is if you go to a bbq with your Vic mates, theres plenty of cups

Just be careful of what's in the cups at a Port Adelaide BBQ ???

Westend mate, just plain old Westend ;)

[JBs-Hawks]

Doe's seem a bit precious how Vic teams count all THEIR cups, and interstate teams can't count theirs. Only good thing I suppose, is if you go to a bbq with your Vic mates, theres plenty of cups

Just be careful of what's in the cups at a Port Adelaide BBQ ???

Westend mate, just plain old Westend ;)

Exactly be careful

[Dudge]

Doe's seem a bit precious how Vic teams count all THEIR cups, and interstate teams can't count theirs. Only good thing I suppose, is if you go to a bbq with your Vic mates, theres plenty of cups

Just be careful of what's in the cups at a Port Adelaide BBQ ???

I hear they use their tarps as some sort of filtering system nowadays

Not nice GL, still smarting over 2004  ;)

Plus I'd more expect that from a Crows supporter haha

[Dudge]

Doe's seem a bit precious how Vic teams count all THEIR cups, and interstate teams can't count theirs. Only good thing I suppose, is if you go to a bbq with your Vic mates, theres plenty of cups

Just be careful of what's in the cups at a Port Adelaide BBQ ???

Westend mate, just plain old Westend ;)

Exactly be careful

Lol

[Football Factory]

Doe's seem a bit precious how Vic teams count all THEIR cups, and interstate teams can't count theirs. Only good thing I suppose, is if you go to a bbq with your Vic mates, theres plenty of cups

The VFL had most of the best players in Australia playing in it, it was the Premier Competition, that's why it became the AFL. If all the best players in Australia were playing in the SANFL and it was the premier competition and became the AFL then they should count their cups also  :P

[Holz]

Doe's seem a bit precious how Vic teams count all THEIR cups, and interstate teams can't count theirs. Only good thing I suppose, is if you go to a bbq with your Vic mates, theres plenty of cups

The VFL had most of the best players in Australia playing in it, it was the Premier Competition, that's why it became the AFL. If all the best players in Australia were playing in the SANFL and it was the premier competition and became the AFL then they should count their cups also  :P

you can take this argument in any direction you want.

I say none should count in any comp before the AFL.

1. Today it is a highly professional environment where not only is it a full time job but potentially a very lucrative one of that. 

2 There is alot more teams so on average if there is 18 teams and you play for 100 years and your just a average team you should win 5-6 flags. If there is 8 teams and you play for 100 years an average team should win 12-13 flags.


counting a 1897 comp in which there where 8 teams (of which 1 was a complete joke 281 points scored to 966 conceded and another was worse then GWS GC ever was)

so realistically a 6 team comp in which they where a bunch of people playing on a weekend for fun and the grandfinal was won 38 to 23.

Should in know way be valued equally as winning a 18 team comp like Dogs in which all the players dedicate all their time to winning have sports nutrionist, phscologists, trainers, medicos, full time coaches etc.. working on getting a win.


Just find it funny that a team that has won 4 flags in the last 50 years in which the game was turning into a proper sport can be considered the best club out there. When it actually is below average in how many it should have won.

Collingwood the apparent 3rd best team has won a shocking 2 which is an embarrassing amount.

Then Hawthorn who people claim isnt on the level of Collingwood Essendon Carlton has won 12!!!!!

Im sorry but if you only count AFL then Eagles v Hawks are the most succesfull clubs ever. If you do count the VFL then Hawthorn is by far the most succesfull club ever it is not even close.

12 Flags in the last 50 years which is double that of the powerhouses Collingwood and Essendon combined.

[Ziplock]

A couple of things

1) Who cares about pre season travelling, it's just a competition to give the kids a run.

2) I completely agree that VFL flags shouldn't be counted to AFL totals. Yes, the VFL was the premier competition at the time, but you can't go comparing a state competition to a national competition. I'm not really fussed over the number of teams etc, the idea is that the VFL for for Victoria and the AFL is for Australia, it's a pretty easy distinction imo.

3) Regarding expansion teams... obviously I support GWS, so maybe I'm biased (albeit it, I think I'm correct). It makes wayyy more sense for the AFL to drop in a 2nd sydney team than a tassie or 3rd WA team. The entire tasmanian population is 500k, the entire WA population is 2.6 mil, while Sydney's population alone is 4.3 mil, the size of the potential markets alone are massive. A team is either Tas/WA  would basically be getting supporters (and therefore $$$) from people changing clubs, rather than new fans since AFL's already the dominant sport. Another team in NSW has so many more potential new fans (and therefore more $$$).

The same logic can be applied to queensland which is the 3rd largest state behind NSW and Vic. I mean, fairness would dictate that tassie deserved a team, but when it comes down to it the AFL is a corporate machine, they're going to go where the money is.

I hate the argument re: travelling. Any disadvantage you have when you have travel away is countered by the advantage you get when other teams travel to you. Basically what Ele said :P

Vic teams don't have to travel so often, but they also play several home games with little/no home ground advantage. Interstate teams all only have 1 game which has limited advantage (against their home-state rival obviously).

I will concede the argument that it is unfair having the MCG as the staple GF match venue but ONLY when it's a higher ranked interstate team v a Victorian team. If it's interstate v interstate, it's a neutral venue anyway. Same if it's Vic v Vic. And if it's higher ranked Vic team v interstate team, they 'deserve' the advantage anyway. Having said that, it's totally understandable that the AFL has it there due to it's capacity. As a fan, you'd surely want the best chance possible of getting a ticket to go see your team play in one (if there was alternate venues, all clubs would have to significantly lower their current amount of guaranteed finals ticket members, and it would almost be impossible to get one outside of there anyway).

The travel is tiring in my opinion it's a bigger issue then crowd cheering. As I have said ground size is more important then crowd noise.

Scg v ANZ is big for Sydney despite being the home team on both.

Being able to stay in your house to go to a game in Melbourne is far easier then hoping on a plane staying at a hotel. Then flying home quickly as opposed to driving back to your training centre to recover.

Yeah, I don't see how that counters my argument at all? Vic teams play several home games against other Vic teams who 'sleep in their own house etc' whereas every team except the cross-town rival has to 'get on a plane/hotel' when they play away to a WA team. I'm saying it completely evens out.

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

Bit of a flawed example... I mean anyone would prefer to play brisbane 22 games a year over sydney for about any year in the past 10 years :P

[Football Factory]

I guess it comes down to who you barrack for as to whether you think they should be counted or not.

[Scrads]

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

Bit of a flawed example... I mean anyone would prefer to play brisbane 22 games a year over sydney for about any year in the past 10 years :P

It was a deliberate hyperbole to re-iterate that who you play is always considerably more important than where you play :P

[Holz]

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

Bit of a flawed example... I mean anyone would prefer to play brisbane 22 games a year over sydney for about any year in the past 10 years :P

It was a deliberate hyperbole to re-iterate that who you play is always considerably more important than where you play :P

depends the eagles only won 5 interstate games out of i think 10 so 50%. then won 11/12 in WA or  92%.

so realistically you should rather play anyone at home rather then eagles at Subi even though eagles are by no means the best team in the comp.

Stkilda won 0 interstate games and where shocking away.

they lost to GC in GC, port in port, murderded by the gws, crows eagles and sydney away im talking like 300+ combined losses.

but in melbourne beat the dogs, geelong, dee etc...

so yeah would love to play stkilda away from home if i was a non Victorian club.

where you play does matter

[elephants]

eagles are by no means the best team in the comp.

Imma have to stop you right there

[Pkbaldy]

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

Bit of a flawed example... I mean anyone would prefer to play brisbane 22 games a year over sydney for about any year in the past 10 years :P

It was a deliberate hyperbole to re-iterate that who you play is always considerably more important than where you play :P

depends the eagles only won 5 interstate games out of i think 10 so 50%. then won 11/12 in WA or  92%.

so realistically you should rather play anyone at home rather then eagles at Subi even though eagles are by no means the best team in the comp.

Stkilda won 0 interstate games and where shocking away.

they lost to GC in GC, port in port, murderded by the gws, crows eagles and sydney away im talking like 300+ combined losses.

but in melbourne beat the dogs, geelong, dee etc...

so yeah would love to play stkilda away from home if i was a non Victorian club.

where you play does matter

We played GWS and Sydney at Etihad champ.

[Holz]

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

Bit of a flawed example... I mean anyone would prefer to play brisbane 22 games a year over sydney for about any year in the past 10 years :P

It was a deliberate hyperbole to re-iterate that who you play is always considerably more important than where you play :P

depends the eagles only won 5 interstate games out of i think 10 so 50%. then won 11/12 in WA or  92%.

so realistically you should rather play anyone at home rather then eagles at Subi even though eagles are by no means the best team in the comp.

Stkilda won 0 interstate games and where shocking away.

they lost to GC in GC, port in port, murderded by the gws, crows eagles and sydney away im talking like 300+ combined losses.

but in melbourne beat the dogs, geelong, dee etc...

so yeah would love to play stkilda away from home if i was a non Victorian club.

where you play does matter

We played GWS and Sydney at Etihad champ.

yeah i just realised my fixture didnt put the home team first as i would expect.

regardless Stkilda struggled away.

GWS and Sydney you expect to lose to anywhere.

[Dudge]

I look at it this way with premiership cups. If all teams can count their VFL-SANFL-WAFL etc cups, + AFL, I could invite 37 mates around for a bbq. If interstate teams can only count AFL premierships, I'm stuck with Grazz only ;)

[Vinny]

eagles are by no means the best team in the comp.

Imma have to stop you right there

;D