I heard this on a podcast today;
"If you don't start with Patrick Karnezis, your an idiot."
I don't want to be an idiot. :P
Don't know much about him other than wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Karnezis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Karnezis)
Thoughts on him?
He's looked very good in the NAB cup, but it's only the NAB cup so who knows. He's a risk but at his price looks to be a good option along with varcoe, kennedy, byrnes ect...
Quote from: morelli89 on March 13, 2013, 11:04:28 PM
He's looked very good in the NAB cup, but it's only the NAB cup so who knows. He's a risk but at his price looks to be a good option along with varcoe, kennedy, byrnes ect...
A big game this Friday will see him make his way into most teams
I know some in my league who don't have him, so the less they see of him the better.
Lock him into your team if you haven't already and lets have no more karnezis threads.
I'll be starting with him purely because his last name is fun to say
Quote from: NoButYeah on March 13, 2013, 11:14:35 PM
I'll be starting with him purely because his last name is fun to say
A la Zorko last year.
One can only dream of similar results..
Plenty of players have looked good in the NAB Cup and not gone on with it in the season proper. Golby last year?
How many players from the Lions are people expecting big things from? Hanley, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Leuenberger... Not all of them will get the big numbers, especially when you throw the likes of Moloney, Adcock, Redden and Rich into the mix as well.
Quote from: hannebery2rohan on March 14, 2013, 01:57:46 AM
Plenty of players have looked good in the NAB Cup and not gone on with it in the season proper. Golby last year?
How many players from the Lions are people expecting big things from? Hanley, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Leuenberger... Not all of them will get the big numbers, especially when you throw the likes of Moloney, Adcock, Redden and Rich into the mix as well.
Im just worried that this Karnezis love is a bit of a 'copy cat' situation where a couple of people have mentioned his name and it has snowballed to the point where everyone is swearing by him despite never having seen him play. I mean he's sitting in my side at f5 right now ahead of Varcoe and I havent seen any of his games and could walk past him on the street without noticing.
Has he looked that good this nab cup that people think he has as good a job security and scoring potential as guys like Byrnes, Varcoe and JJK?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 14, 2013, 02:03:08 AM
Quote from: hannebery2rohan on March 14, 2013, 01:57:46 AM
Plenty of players have looked good in the NAB Cup and not gone on with it in the season proper. Golby last year?
How many players from the Lions are people expecting big things from? Hanley, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Leuenberger... Not all of them will get the big numbers, especially when you throw the likes of Moloney, Adcock, Redden and Rich into the mix as well.
Im just worried that this Karnezis love is a bit of a 'copy cat' situation where a couple of people have mentioned his name and it has snowballed to the point where everyone is swearing by him despite never having seen him play. I mean he's sitting in my side at f5 right now ahead of Varcoe and I havent seen any of his games and could walk past him on the street without noticing.
Has he looked that good this nab cup that people think he has as good a job security and scoring potential as guys like Byrnes, Varcoe and JJK? And his apparent move to the midfield is coming at the expense of who? Rockliff, Redden, Moloney,Black, Rich, Zorko, Hanley and Adcock will all surely spend much more time in there than he will?
Quote from: hannebery2rohan on March 14, 2013, 01:57:46 AM
Plenty of players have looked good in the NAB Cup and not gone on with it in the season proper. Golby last year?
How many players from the Lions are people expecting big things from? Hanley, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Leuenberger... Not all of them will get the big numbers, especially when you throw the likes of Moloney, Adcock, Redden and Rich into the mix as well.
Well it all depends on how high you believe Brisbane can go in 2013.
Remember that Adelaide last year was coming off 14th on the ladder in 2011.
Those who picked Danger, Sloane, Porp, Tex and/or Jacobs as there midprice/smokies killed it ;)
Quote from: quinny88 on March 14, 2013, 02:03:08 AM
Quote from: hannebery2rohan on March 14, 2013, 01:57:46 AM
Plenty of players have looked good in the NAB Cup and not gone on with it in the season proper. Golby last year?
How many players from the Lions are people expecting big things from? Hanley, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Leuenberger... Not all of them will get the big numbers, especially when you throw the likes of Moloney, Adcock, Redden and Rich into the mix as well.
Im just worried that this Karnezis love is a bit of a 'copy cat' situation where a couple of people have mentioned his name and it has snowballed to the point where everyone is swearing by him despite never having seen him play. I mean he's sitting in my side at f5 right now ahead of Varcoe and I havent seen any of his games and could walk past him on the street without noticing.
Has he looked that good this nab cup that people think he has as good a job security and scoring potential as guys like Byrnes, Varcoe and JJK?
I get that feeling too with Karnezis. He's in my team at the moment on the virtue of having had a decent pre-season and the need to fill F5 and F6 with $200-270k players due to the lack of rookies. I don't remember seeing him play either to be honest.
Quote from: Marstar on March 14, 2013, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: hannebery2rohan on March 14, 2013, 01:57:46 AM
Plenty of players have looked good in the NAB Cup and not gone on with it in the season proper. Golby last year?
How many players from the Lions are people expecting big things from? Hanley, Rockliff, Zorko, Karnezis, Leuenberger... Not all of them will get the big numbers, especially when you throw the likes of Moloney, Adcock, Redden and Rich into the mix as well.
Well it all depends on how high you believe Brisbane can go in 2013.
Remember that Adelaide last year was coming off 14th on the ladder in 2011.
Those who picked Danger, Sloane, Porp, Tex and/or Jacobs as there midprice/smokies killed it ;)
You're right. (Well, Porps did ok for a rookie priced player), but it seems like people are expecting big scores from a large field of Lions players, just not all of them will. Zorko might not back up his outstanding first season and Karnezis might not get the scores everyone is expecting due to others taking the points. I guess it's all a bit of perspective. You just don't want to load your team with a lot of these players in the hope it's easy money despite how tempting a lot of them look.
I think people are being sensible because there is no Cornelius train for virtually the same price as Karnezis (slightly cheaper) and significantly cheaper than JJK who is also KKP. With a virtual coin-toss between Karn, Varcoe, JJK, Byrnes etc etc ... taking any type of 'form' be it NAB or in-house training rumors seems the prudent thing to do.
Karnezis is ticking all the boxes we expected of Varcoe and if the NAB performances were reversed ... no1 would be questioning a Varcoe train.
BTW what was wrong with Golby scores? I'de be happy with Karnezis getting 72, 53, 81, 103, 61, 59, 64, 90, 78, 112 and then upgrading him. I don't see any fwd rookie getting that average or making that money unfortunataly, so beggars can't be choosers :S
The scores aren't bad if you're rookie priced, but i think Golby was around the 300k mark IIRC and i don't think i got much in return (yes i went with him) certainly not enough for a fallen premium anyway.
I agree, I think everyone should stay right away from Karnezis.
No good
Won't play
February warrior
Don't pick him.
;D
A number of people have asked for my opinion on Karnezis and I have obliged. I seen Karnezis play in reserves last year and in the intra club trial and games in NAB cup so far and had him pencilled in especially if he runs in mids. Was hoping to keep him as my smokey selection but that went by the board with his performances.
He has been named in centre for Friday night so just watch game and see how he goes against Blues.
Karnezis played mids in reserves last year on instruction of coaching staff to increase his endurance. Seeing the benefit of that this season as he is carrying on reserve grade form where he averaged 28 possessions per game in the NEAFL.
He's currently in only 6% of teams, so will be interesting to see if and how much that changes after this weekend ;)
Seen all his NAB Cup games a few times, like what i saw, scored well in a team that will improve this year. Thats where my judgement was made. As always make the judgement on your own suspicions not on the hype. He certainly is the standout of the midpriced forwards thus far. See what this week brings. Gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
Quote from: Ringo on March 14, 2013, 10:55:29 AM
A number of people have asked for my opinion on Karnezis and I have obliged. I seen Karnezis play in reserves last year and in the intra club trial and games in NAB cup so far and had him pencilled in especially if he runs in mids. Was hoping to keep him as my smokey selection but that went by the board with his performances.
He has been named in centre for Friday night so just watch game and see how he goes against Blues.
Karnezis played mids in reserves last year on instruction of coaching staff to increase his endurance. Seeing the benefit of that this season as he is carrying on reserve grade form where he averaged 28 possessions per game in the NEAFL.
shhhhh ;)
Will be a very popular pick
Quote from: charliesheen on March 15, 2013, 01:20:05 AM
Will be a very popular pick
If he has another goodone in the final i think his % in teams will rise a few points.
I prefer him over Byrnes and Knights (who I have not really seen play yet this year). Considering there are not many forward rookies I would be tempted to go with Macaffer, Varcoe, JJ Kennedy, Karnezis and Petterd with 3 premiums.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2013, 01:32:43 AM
I prefer him over Byrnes and Knights (who I have not really seen play yet this year). Considering there are not many forward rookies I would be tempted to go with Macaffer, Varcoe, JJ Kennedy, Karnezis and Petterd with 3 premiums.
Your mids and backs would be pretty solid then i imagine.
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2013, 01:32:43 AM
I prefer him over Byrnes and Knights (who I have not really seen play yet this year). Considering there are not many forward rookies I would be tempted to go with Macaffer, Varcoe, JJ Kennedy, Karnezis and Petterd with 3 premiums.
Your mids and backs would be pretty solid then i imagine.
More likely standard back /mid set-up and use the cash for dble premo Rucks. One DPP to be pushed forward later and one KeePPer (lol pun!).
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Your mids and backs would be pretty solid then i imagine.
The other lines look pretty good but that is due to another strategy I am playing around with. The forwards work out like that because the cash you take away from the premo you are pretty much adding to the mid price range player from the rookie. In terms of job security and earning cash, it might be the way to go with the forwards this year. No one playing straight away stands out like a Treloar or a Zorko did so far. Even Macaffers job security is in question and he looks the most dependable forward rook.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2013, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Your mids and backs would be pretty solid then i imagine.
The other lines look pretty good but that is due to another strategy I am playing around with. The forwards work out like that because the cash you take away from the premo you are pretty much adding to the mid price range player from the rookie. In terms of job security and earning cash, it might be the way to go with the forwards this year. No one playing straight away stands out like a Treloar or a Zorko did so far. Even Macaffers job security is in question and he looks the most dependable forward rook.
Really hoping Macaffer is a reliable option tbh.
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 02:17:00 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2013, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Your mids and backs would be pretty solid then i imagine.
The other lines look pretty good but that is due to another strategy I am playing around with. The forwards work out like that because the cash you take away from the premo you are pretty much adding to the mid price range player from the rookie. In terms of job security and earning cash, it might be the way to go with the forwards this year. No one playing straight away stands out like a Treloar or a Zorko did so far. Even Macaffers job security is in question and he looks the most dependable forward rook.
Really hoping Macaffer is a reliable option tbh.
Is Tom lee reliable?? They paid a high draft pick to get him but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the nab cup
Quote from: quinny88 on March 15, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 02:17:00 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2013, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: Grazz on March 15, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Your mids and backs would be pretty solid then i imagine.
The other lines look pretty good but that is due to another strategy I am playing around with. The forwards work out like that because the cash you take away from the premo you are pretty much adding to the mid price range player from the rookie. In terms of job security and earning cash, it might be the way to go with the forwards this year. No one playing straight away stands out like a Treloar or a Zorko did so far. Even Macaffers job security is in question and he looks the most dependable forward rook.
Really hoping Macaffer is a reliable option tbh.
Is Tom lee reliable?? They paid a high draft pick to get him but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the nab cup
it gives Watters an excuse to drop Kosi. Anyone is better than Kosi
Lol Kosi should have been dropped years ago but for some reason they just keep playing the bloke
Yeh not sure why Kosi has held his spot for so long, been ordinary for awhile now.
Ok so how much mid time? Rich,Raines,Rockcliff,Redden,Moloney,Beams,Black,Hanley ...?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 15, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
Is Tom lee reliable?? They paid a high draft pick to get him but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the nab cup
It looks like Beau Maister (formerly Wilkes) is ahead of him as well. NRoo, Milne, Saad, Dennis-Lane, Milera, Schneider, Kosi, Stanley/Hickey and Maister. He will need to kick couple of bags in the reserves to get a game.
Quote from: ubeaut on March 15, 2013, 01:07:40 PM
Ok so how much mid time? Rich,Raines,Rockcliff,Redden,Moloney,Beams,Black,Hanley ...?
How many of those guys play on the wing? Hanley and Rich. The other guys are all players who would start in the square or run with guys
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 15, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
Is Tom lee reliable?? They paid a high draft pick to get him but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the nab cup
It looks like Beau Maister (formerly Wilkes) is ahead of him as well. NRoo, Milne, Saad, Dennis-Lane, Milera, Schneider, Kosi, Stanley/Hickey and Maister. He will need to kick couple of bags in the reserves to get a game.
They can't play that many small forwards can they? At least 2 of Schneider, Milne, Saad, Milera and Dennis- lane would have to miss out
I checked on another large afl forum (not sure if allowed to name) earlier in the week at the brisbane predicted 22 thread, and not all the brisbane supporters had Karnezis in their 22. So perhaps hes not as guaranteed as we think...
Obviously see how he goes on the weekend, but still something to consider.
Quote from: Knowall on March 15, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
I checked on another large afl forum (not sure if allowed to name) earlier in the week at the brisbane predicted 22 thread, and not all the brisbane supporters had Karnezis in their 22. So perhaps hes not as guaranteed as we think...
Obviously see how he goes on the weekend, but still something to consider.
Yeah that's my worry. Where as guys like Byrnes, Varcoe and JJK are walk up starters
Quote from: ubeaut on March 15, 2013, 01:07:40 PM
Ok so how much mid time? Rich,Raines,Rockcliff,Redden,Moloney,Beams,Black,Hanley ...?
Add Zorko into that mix as well
Not many of these play Wing though
Quote from: Knowall on March 15, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
I checked on another large afl forum (not sure if allowed to name) earlier in the week at the brisbane predicted 22 thread, and not all the Brisbane supporters had Karnezis in their 22. So perhaps hes not as guaranteed as we think...
Obviously see how he goes on the weekend, but still something to consider.
With Black still out for a few weeks he will be a near certainty especially with Lester named as emergency tonight. As I have said all along Karnezis at 191cm is a very difficult match up on wing and suits Brisbanes structure, When Black comes back will be interested to see who makes way but personally I think Karnezis is safe until Staker comes back in as he has been playing the role that Staker did floating down the wings between hb and fwd.
Quote from: Ringo on March 15, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: Knowall on March 15, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
I checked on another large afl forum (not sure if allowed to name) earlier in the week at the brisbane predicted 22 thread, and not all the Brisbane supporters had Karnezis in their 22. So perhaps hes not as guaranteed as we think...
Obviously see how he goes on the weekend, but still something to consider.
With Black still out for a few weeks he will be a near certainty especially with Lester named as emergency tonight. As I have said all along Karnezis at 191cm is a very difficult match up on wing and suits Brisbanes structure, When Black comes back will be interested to see who makes way but personally I think Karnezis is safe until Staker comes back in as he has been playing the role that Staker did floating down the wings between hb and fwd.
When are Black and Staker due to return?
Quote from: Knowall on March 15, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
When are Black and Staker due to return?
Black is Round 3 or 4 I think, Staker had an 8 week surgery just before their first NAB game. He would probably be eased into it through the NEAFL and a restricted training load with the history of knee injuries you would think.
Black is still unsure of return date. At the moment in his rehab it is 2 steps forward and 1 step back.
Staker is still listed as Round 3 but suspect he may return via the NEAFL to gain match fitness especially if karnezis is going well.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 15, 2013, 02:09:04 PM
They can't play that many small forwards can they? At least 2 of Schneider, Milne, Saad, Milera and Dennis- lane would have to miss out
They can play 3 talls, 3 smalls, 2 a mid sized and 3 smalls. It depends who can push into the guts, Schneider could run through the guts, so if he is fit he will be pushing for selection
Maybe better off asking a Saints supporter but you can see the forward line looking like
Dennis-Lane/Milera NRoo Saad
Stanley/Maister Kosi Milne
With Schneider starting on the bench and rotating through the middle. They also would not have given up so much for Hickey if they did not expect to play him. They were trying Stanley down back for that reason. But it will also depend on who their second ruck is out of Blake, Stanley, Kosi and Hickey.
You could have a few Lions in your forward line - Zorko, Rockliff, Karnezis and Cornelius
Is 3 too much?
Quote from: reesbr on March 15, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
Is 3 too much?
Looking at the Lions' early draw and enterprising brand of footy, I don't think so.
I am really considering going Rocky, Zorko and Karnezis but Karnezis DE is a little concern for SC.
Quote from: reesbr on March 15, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
Is 3 too much?
I have Zorko LOCK, Rocky LOCK, Karpark LOCK.
3 sounds about right to me.
Cornhole not ready for the big stage IMO. one more season maybe, great overhead but he isn't big enough to muscle out his opponents and take every mark overhead yet.
Staker not fit but he is one to consider once he has played his first 2 games, mor likely to bring him into defence myself but he is DPP def/fwd
The one that is intriguing me is Daniel Rich! Huge smokey, looks good
Rich was sensational last week against the Pies as well.
Would be unique, good sc scorer as well, just needs a haircut haha!
Quote from: reesbr on March 15, 2013, 10:20:28 PM
The one that is intriguing me is Daniel Rich! Huge smokey, looks good
Currently contemplating starting him over Mundy :o
Yet another promising performance by Karnezis, solidifying his spot in my team
Quote from: lowry on March 15, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
Yet another promising performance by Karnezis, solidifying his spot in my team
Yep and a few others including mine..
Rich the firast 15 minutes yes, but went missing after that, my mids becoming harder as the start draws near :-\
he runs around with plenty of energy. shocking disposal efficiency though. might be a better pick up in dt
He had the run to quick for my own good look about him early, but eventually as the game wore on steadied and used the ball better then what he did early.
Got my first good look at Karnezis tonight, not bad at all. Lacks a little bit if polish at times but he can certainly find the ball. The ball seemed to fall into his path even when he wasn't looking for it. Some players are just ball magnets and he is one of them. If he's named round 1 he will be in my team.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 16, 2013, 12:29:14 AM
Got my first good look at Karnezis tonight, not bad at all. Lacks a little bit if polish at times but he can certainly find the ball. The ball seemed to fall into his path even when he wasn't looking for it. Some players are just ball magnets and he is one of them. If he's named round 1 he will be in my team.
He'll be named, has had a big NAB cup be very unlucky to miss a rnd 1 spot.
That was a pretty full strength Brissy team.
I reckon he is ahead of Docherty, Polkinghorne and Cornelius and probably Bewick. But those guys aren't really mids and with Black to return between round 2 and 5 who knows but Karny should defanitly get named round 1 and shouldn't be sub.
he'll be pushed out as soon as black is back. 8)... this is what i think may be the lions team round 1
B : Yeo - Merrett - McGuire
HB : Golby - Patful - Adcock
C : Redden - Moloney - Hanley
HF : Bewick - Brown - Martin
FF : Zorko - Cornellious - Green
R : Longer - Rockliff - Rich
INT : Raines - Karnezis - Beams
S : McGrath
EME : Polkinghorne - Docherty - Lester
so pretty much what was sent out tonight.
Quote from: strikes91 on March 16, 2013, 03:34:14 AM
he'll be pushed out as soon as black is back. 8)... this is what i think may be the lions team round 1
B : Yeo - Merrett - McGuire
HB : Golby - Patful - Adcock
C : Redden - Moloney - Hanley
HF : Bewick - Brown - Martin
FF : Zorko - Cornellious - Green
R : Longer - Rockliff - Rich
INT : Raines - Karnezis - Beams
S : McGrath
EME : Polkinghorne - Docherty - Lester
so pretty much what was sent out tonight.
Golby won't miss with his "racing nudge" on Murph will he? :P
currently choosing between karnezis and varcoe. lets see if theres actually a spot in the team for him:
B: Patfull Merrett Mgrath
HB: Hanley Maguire Adcock
C: Rockliff Black Rich
HF: Zorko Brown Karnezis
F: Martin Cornelius Green
R: Leuy Moloney Redden
INT: Golby Polec Beams Polkinghorne
i can definately see a spot in the side for him. the question is if he will actually play midfield and score well still.
there was something very intersting i saw from last years scores though. he was the sub in 4 of his 7 games. and in theother 3, he averaged 80. very promising.
Well I hope everyone picks this guy over Varcoe cos personally I think Varcoe is a safer option. Too many times people (me included) have been seduced by a sudden change in role or a few good games in NAB or season proper. (thinking Whitecross last season). he may do well for a while then drop right off.
Varcoe will be off a half back flank at times and is always best 18 I'm pretty sure. Kicks goals is fit plays for Geelong.
Quote from: ubeaut on March 16, 2013, 09:57:49 AM
Well I hope everyone picks this guy over Varcoe cos personally I think Varcoe is a safer option. Too many times people (me included) have been seduced by a sudden change in role or a few good games in NAB or season proper. (thinking Whitecross last season). he may do well for a while then drop right off.
Varcoe will be off a half back flank at times and is always best 18 I'm pretty sure. Kicks goals is fit plays for Geelong.
He only has to do well for a little while. I would be happy if he can avg 75-80 for the first 8 weeks
Lets watch the coaches % take off now for this bloke.
Fanfooty podcast mentioned that Vossay said they were only trialling him on the wing during the nab cup and in the season proper they'd really want to use him as a fwd.....can anyone verify this? I've been looking for the post match interview but haven't been able to find it.
Also last night on the telecast they showed a stat saying he's had the most uncontested possessions out of anyone during the nab cup...pretty worrying sign on how he'll go during the actual season.
Quote from: tferrier18 on March 16, 2013, 12:37:08 PM
Fanfooty podcast mentioned that Vossay said they were only trialling him on the wing during the nab cup and in the season proper they'd really want to use him as a fwd.....can anyone verify this? I've been looking for the post match interview but haven't been able to find it.
Also last night on the telecast they showed a stat saying he's had the most uncontested possessions out of anyone during the nab cup...pretty worrying sign on how he'll go during the actual season.
Have not heard anything either on that regard mate. But an observation is he was playing the role that Staker played prior to his injury and using his height to float and mark around the ground. Hence the number of uncontested possessions. Has worked well in the NAB cup and would seem silly to change game plan as it gives Lions so much run. Coaching staff Interview on Tuesday may be interesting then.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 16, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 16, 2013, 09:57:49 AM
Well I hope everyone picks this guy over Varcoe cos personally I think Varcoe is a safer option. Too many times people (me included) have been seduced by a sudden change in role or a few good games in NAB or season proper. (thinking Whitecross last season). he may do well for a while then drop right off.
Varcoe will be off a half back flank at times and is always best 18 I'm pretty sure. Kicks goals is fit plays for Geelong.
He only has to do well for a little while. I would be happy if he can avg 75-80 for the first 8 weeks
Ditto, 8 weeks+ Karny+Rookie= Prem.