Squad David Warner, Ed Cowan, Phillip Hughes, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (capt), Usman Khawaja, Steven Smith, Matthew Wade (wk), Glenn Maxwell, Moises Henriques, Mitchell Johnson, James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Peter Siddle, Jackson Bird, Xavier Doherty, Nathan Lyon.
Look, Smith has a lot of potential in limited overs stuff. But surely has no place in the test team.
It would go Maxwell/Henriques/Johnson as all rounders before Smith. And I reckon Clarke and Warner have better spinning records than Smith at this stage, and nowhere near ahead of Lyon, Doherty or Maxwell
Hilf :(
I hate him. Dafuq does he do to deserve spot.
(http://verymuchdutch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/but-why-meme-generator-but-why-84103d.jpg)
yeah no idea why he's there and a guy like O'Keefe isnt
Plenty of people who deserve spot over Smith...
To be honest i don't see the point of having all these average all rounders in the squad over specialized batters or bowlers. None of these guys will average 35+ with the bat and <27 with the ball or so
Quote from: colmullet on January 31, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
To be honest i don't see the point of having all these average all rounders in the squad over specialized batters or bowlers. None of these guys will average 35+ with the bat and <27 with the ball or so
Exactly. An all-rounder, in test cricket anyway, has to be able to hold in his spot as a batsmen or a bowler.
Watson is the only one that fits this bill, and he just quit bowling.
Quote from: ossie85 on January 31, 2013, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: colmullet on January 31, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
To be honest i don't see the point of having all these average all rounders in the squad over specialized batters or bowlers. None of these guys will average 35+ with the bat and <27 with the ball or so
Exactly. An all-rounder, in test cricket anyway, has to be able to hold in his spot as a batsmen or a bowler.
Watson is the only one that fits this bill, and he just quit bowling.
Agreed. We are better off imo with guys like Warner and Clarke making up some overs, rather than bringing in a nothing AR just for the sake of having one
Quote from: colmullet on January 31, 2013, 05:43:07 PM
yeah no idea why he's there and a guy like O'Keefe isnt
O'keefe a much better player IMO than smith!
I think CA has penciled in O'Keefe as an ODI/T20 player only, but i thought that they would have put Smith in there as well. Dont know why Smith was selected but it still looks like a good squad.
Obviously with the squad selected they will play 5 batsmen, Wade, an alrounder and 4 bowlers.
Also interestingly enough that they only selected one keeper in the squad on 17 and it looks like they will ned to pick 2 keepers for the squad of 16 for the Ashes or will Hughes/Quiney go as the 2nd keeper to England.
I'm just waiting for my baggy green... Surely it can't be too hard if Smith can still get a go?
Quote from: My Chumps on January 31, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
I'm just waiting for my baggy green... Surely it can't be too hard if Smith can still get a go?
last I checked there were a few going on ebay
:P
Quote from: pyronerd on January 31, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on January 31, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
I'm just waiting for my baggy green... Surely it can't be too hard if Smith can still get a go?
last I checked there were a few going on ebay
:P
:P
Quote from: tabs on January 31, 2013, 07:08:06 PM
I think CA has penciled in O'Keefe as an ODI/T20 player only
I thought Doherty and Maxwell had been pencilled in for that as well
Quote from: tabs on January 31, 2013, 07:09:53 PM
Also interestingly enough that they only selected one keeper in the squad on 17 and it looks like they will ned to pick 2 keepers for the squad of 16 for the Ashes or will Hughes/Quiney go as the 2nd keeper to England.
It looks like they are going to give Haddin a bit of a rest thinking they won't need him in India, but they have given indications they will take Haddin, Paine or possibly Nevil to the Ashes as second keeper.
Smith is picked as a batter, yet only reason i can see why he'd be there is as another spin option. So CA have yet again proved that they pick batters coz they bowl and bowlers coz they can bat.
(Although i realise in this case S.Smith can't do either)
If Smith never bowled a ball in his life he'd be considered a better player than people consider him now.
He's a technically sound batsman who can change gears and a dynamic fielder.
He's been average for us in the past but since his spell in the test team he's worked on his batting and is now a much more resolute and disciplined batsman. I think it's a wise choice.
Maxwell the awful choice in my eyes. The fella can't bowl (although if there's anywhere he can, it'd be India. Not because Indian pitches favour spinners, but the way Maxwell bowls lends itself to the occasional bomb of a crumbling, dry pitch.) and isn't near resolute nor disciplined enough to bat at test level.
Also turns it the same way as Lyon. Two spinners will be necessary in India and Doherty is awful so Maxwell will play, but as a batsman, bowler and fielder I'd much prefer Smith.
I think y'all are giving him a rough deal. He's worked on his batting enough, give him a chance!
I think his batting is good enough for limited overs, but only averages 37 in first class cricket (which is actually worse than his career average!).. But if we are selecting batsmen, I don't think those averages are good enough.
Why is there no Hilfenhaus?
Unless I'm mistaken, he had the highest amount of Aussie wickets this season and was in the top 10 wicket takers this season with 40 odd.
Is Cricket Australia once again going to make the mistake of selecting potential over skill?
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 01, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Why is there no Hilfenhaus?
Unless I'm mistaken, he had the highest amount of Aussie wickets this season and was in the top 10 wicket takers this season with 40 odd.
Is Cricket Australia once again going to make the mistake of selecting potential over skill?
They've effectively found a new Hilfy in Jackson Bird, who is younger and has been too good to drop
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 01, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Why is there no Hilfenhaus?
Unless I'm mistaken, he had the highest amount of Aussie wickets this season and was in the top 10 wicket takers this season with 40 odd.
Is Cricket Australia once again going to make the mistake of selecting potential over skill?
I agree Mailman - he was statistically better than Siddle, ranked in the top 10 in the world, yet no one rates him. Looks like he is stranded on 99 wickets
Quote from: ossie85 on February 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 01, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Why is there no Hilfenhaus?
Unless I'm mistaken, he had the highest amount of Aussie wickets this season and was in the top 10 wicket takers this season with 40 odd.
Is Cricket Australia once again going to make the mistake of selecting potential over skill?
I agree Mailman - he was statistically better than Siddle, ranked in the top 10 in the world, yet no one rates him. Looks like he is stranded on 99 wickets
He is still returning from that side strain remember. It was the same injury that Pattinson had and Hilf did it about 2 weeks later so he is behind him in his recovery and I don't think he is even bowling yet. The selectors have given indications that he will be more strongly considered for England and will almost certainly go to the Ashes where his swing will be favoured by conditions.
What I find interesting is that this season he again lost his high arm action and was falling over a little as he was bowling, which meant he lost the late swing that worked so well against India. Is this because of all the T20 cricket he played in the lead up to the test series? Or does Craig McDermott leaving the side have something to do with it as well? I don't know too much about the current bowling coach Ali de Winter, but I haven't seen too much evidence of him having a good impact on the bowlers this summer so far.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/4943.html
BB that is Alister De Winter's career stats if you want to know a little more about him
Why the sock was not picked I have no bloody idea
Quote from: Cicjose on February 01, 2013, 03:00:14 PM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/4943.html
BB that is Alister De Winter's career stats if you want to know a little more about him
Hmmmmm well that's nothing to shout about is it....
I love Stevey :-*
If Maxwell/ Henriques struggles in early tests he will get a test or two, he has heaps of potential but more with the bat, but Warney likes the way he bowls and he still could be a terrific all rounder
I didn't know Steve Smith was Indian :P
thought he was a cartoon charactor :P
likely that he will come in for Hughes for the Third Test
Quote from: Tominator on March 08, 2013, 09:22:58 PM
likely that he will come in for Hughes for the Third Test
Wow. How is this spud going to be playing test cricket again?
Quote from: Tominator on March 08, 2013, 09:22:58 PM
likely that he will come in for Hughes for the Third Test
What's Kahawaja gotta do!
Smith, Lyon in for Maxwell, Doherty. PLEASE LEAVE THE REST OF THE TEAM THE SAME AUSTRALIA! Phil hughes is having a bad run, ok, fair enough but dropping him would be even worse. If Ricky can go months without scoring and still get a place then Hughes deserves to go more than 2 tests. He's only gonna get better at spin bowling by playing spin bowling, and it doesn' get much tougher than Indian spinners in India.
PB... Did you just say bring Smith in? :o
Lyon in for Doherty for sure. I agree with you about sticking with Hughes, but the difference is that Ricky is a great of all time so obviously gets more leniency than a youngster.
Where are Steven O'Keefe and Dave Hussey? Get them to India >:(
Quote from: Jayman on March 09, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
PB... Did you just say bring Smith in? :o
Lyon in for Doherty for sure. I agree with you about sticking with Hughes, but the difference is that Ricky is a great of all time so obviously gets more leniency than a youngster.
Ricky got nearly 2 years didn't he? Surely Phil Hughes can be given 2 months? ;) And yes, i said bring Steve Smith back in, and bowl him in tandem with Lyon. If it doesn't work, then nothing's lost since the Aussies were gonna lose anyway, if it does.... confidence booster for everyone.
Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Watson, Clarke, Wade, Smith, Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Lyon. Khawaja waiting as per usual.
Quote from: SilkySkills on March 09, 2013, 11:24:01 AM
Quote from: Jayman on March 09, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
PB... Did you just say bring Smith in? :o
Lyon in for Doherty for sure. I agree with you about sticking with Hughes, but the difference is that Ricky is a great of all time so obviously gets more leniency than a youngster.
Ricky got nearly 2 years didn't he? Surely Phil Hughes can be given 2 months? ;) And yes, i said bring Steve Smith back in, and bowl him in tandem with Lyon. If it doesn't work, then nothing's lost since the Aussies were gonna lose anyway, if it does.... confidence booster for everyone.
Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Watson, Clarke, Wade, Smith, Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Lyon. Khawaja waiting as per usual.
Watson should open
Quote from: nrich102 on March 09, 2013, 11:32:11 AM
Quote from: SilkySkills on March 09, 2013, 11:24:01 AM
Quote from: Jayman on March 09, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
PB... Did you just say bring Smith in? :o
Lyon in for Doherty for sure. I agree with you about sticking with Hughes, but the difference is that Ricky is a great of all time so obviously gets more leniency than a youngster.
Ricky got nearly 2 years didn't he? Surely Phil Hughes can be given 2 months? ;) And yes, i said bring Steve Smith back in, and bowl him in tandem with Lyon. If it doesn't work, then nothing's lost since the Aussies were gonna lose anyway, if it does.... confidence booster for everyone.
Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Watson, Clarke, Wade, Smith, Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Lyon. Khawaja waiting as per usual.
Watson should open
I'd take Warner, Watson, Hughes, Khawaja aswell.
I'd love to see a couple of Ferguson, Khawaja, Agar, Burns already.
Smith just about a sure thing for the 3rd test now I reckon...
What
Cowan
Warner
Hughes
Clarke
Smith
Wade/Haddin
Henriques
Starc
Siddle
Lyon
Doherty
12th - Maxwell?
Seems weak to me!
Though I guess if Wade is fit, Haddin could play as a batsmen
I would play Smith ahead of Doherty.
Quote from: SilkySkills on March 12, 2013, 09:42:49 AM
I would play Smith ahead of Doherty.
I have them both in the team.
Quote from: ossie85 on March 12, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: SilkySkills on March 12, 2013, 09:42:49 AM
I would play Smith ahead of Doherty.
I have them both in the team.
I noticed, I should've quoted your bottom comment. If Wade and Haddin both play, then i'd drop Doherty, so keeping Smith in the XI.
If Wade and Haddin both play, who keeps? I would think Haddin is the better gloveman. And I really hope Smith doesn't play, he is the worst player to ever get a baggy green.
Liked Warner's effort, "Just hit the f*cking thing Ed!" :P
Quote from: BB67th on March 12, 2013, 05:37:13 PM
If Wade and Haddin both play, who keeps? I would think Haddin is the better gloveman. And I really hope Smith doesn't play, he is the worst player to ever get a baggy green.
If Wade's not keeping, he shouldn't be batting IMO
Quote from: BB67th on March 12, 2013, 05:37:13 PM
If Wade and Haddin both play, who keeps? I would think Haddin is the better gloveman. And I really hope Smith doesn't play, he is the worst player to ever get a baggy green.
Smith is ok, cmon. Haddin might get the gloves so Wade could bowl again
Quote from: tabs on March 12, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: BB67th on March 12, 2013, 05:37:13 PM
If Wade and Haddin both play, who keeps? I would think Haddin is the better gloveman. And I really hope Smith doesn't play, he is the worst player to ever get a baggy green.
Smith is ok, cmon. Haddin might get the gloves so Wade could bowl again
Not the worst idea i've heard.
Quote from: SilkySkills on March 12, 2013, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: tabs on March 12, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: BB67th on March 12, 2013, 05:37:13 PM
If Wade and Haddin both play, who keeps? I would think Haddin is the better gloveman. And I really hope Smith doesn't play, he is the worst player to ever get a baggy green.
Smith is ok, cmon. Haddin might get the gloves so Wade could bowl again
Not the worst idea i've heard.
Better than anything Arthur has come up with.
i dont know about anyone else, but im sick of this bull shower lovie dovie tell us how you feel in professional sport. Dropping 4 players for not filling out reports on how the team could better perform in ridiculous
I wonder what Keith Miller would say about it all if he was still around.......
Quote from: tabs on March 12, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
i dont know about anyone else, but im sick of this bull shower lovie dovie tell us how you feel in professional sport. Dropping 4 players for not filling out reports on how the team could better perform in ridiculous
It really isn't..... Players need to contribute on and off the field in professional sport. Look at the Geelong Cats for example, they didn't start to succeed until they had complete and open feedback on each individual, a strategy that has been copied by many teams since.
Quote from: ossie85 on March 13, 2013, 08:57:47 AM
Quote from: tabs on March 12, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
i dont know about anyone else, but im sick of this bull shower lovie dovie tell us how you feel in professional sport. Dropping 4 players for not filling out reports on how the team could better perform in ridiculous
It really isn't..... Players need to contribute on and off the field in professional sport. Look at the Geelong Cats for example, they didn't start to succeed until they had complete and open feedback on each individual, a strategy that has been copied by many teams since.
Yeah it is. Many cricket professionals have stated that it is ridiculous.
Not completing a essay for 'what you contribute to the team' and 'what you can do to improve' are questions the coach and selection committee should be answering not the players.
Mickey Arthur clearly has not got what it takes. The results are on the decline. The Ashes is all but lost already.
If I was one of those 4 sent home I'd say 'Flower it! I'm going to chase the coin'
Everybody keeps stating it is ridicolous, but when I ask why, they can't really explain!
It isn't ridicolous to ask professional sportsment (or professional anybody) to ask for feedback on your performance and your team. I do it all the time at my work...... If I 'forgot' to contribute, it would hit the fan at work also. The 4 need to grow up, and James Pattinson should be commended for his reaction to this. That guy will be leader.
Not sure what is more important winning cricket matches or having a coach seeking to set control mechanismns in place. Its is "ridicolous" cause its a over reaction, act of control and suggest to me that Mickey Arthur is struggling to gain the respect of the playing group.
Quote"Punting James Pattinson would be like me punting Dennis Lillee when I was captain, you know you just don't do it," Chappell said.
"I mean, Dennis Lillee gave everything he had when he was on the field and that was the main thing I was interested in."
Why would you drop arguable 2 of the best cricketers in your team in Pattinson and Watson. Madness.
Spot on ossie.
In my 10 years of business management, EVERY employee is given a yearly and mid- yearly performance review. For these reviews the employee is first asked to complete their own assessment of their performance. Then the actual review is based upon the reflective and balance of managements review also. This gives the employer and employee guidance about where they think they are at, to ensure they are both following the same corporate compass and not off on their own tangent.
Simple 'homework' assignments for these guys are not representative of a formal review (which Im sure Cricket Australia do) but more a 'record of discussion' hoping to shock the system into action ahead of a 'written warning'. These are useful tools to correct issues throughout the year.
'Homework' can be used as a technique to performance manage someone 'out' of your organisation too. Maybe the line in the sand was publicly drawn despite it privately having been crossed already.
Pattinson has apologised and said his reason for not submitting his homework was 'my Pup ate it!' :P
How can we be questioning whether or not these cricketers have what it takes because they didn't write down what they are good at? Last time I checked it was the on field performance which is what counted. Pattinson gave it his all and every last bit he had in those tests, but sorry mate, you didn't tell me what you are good at so you can't play.
Quote from: BB67th on March 13, 2013, 06:10:05 PM
How can we be questioning whether or not these cricketers have what it takes because they didn't write down what they are good at? Last time I checked it was the on field performance which is what counted. Pattinson gave it his all and every last bit he had in those tests, but sorry mate, you didn't tell me what you are good at so you can't play.
If they are unable to write down what they are good out then maybe then maybe they don't know what they are good at? These guys are professional sportspeople for a reason, not many walk around with degrees 'n' shower.
f the players are failing either for discipline or culture, who's fault? those in charge! But those in charge are dropping those players failing ::)
he's in, its now confirmed.
Bump
Oh how our opinions have changed....
Smiddy! definitely didn't see this coming
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on November 10, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
Smiddy! definitely didn't see this coming
only people not from NSW didn't see this coming
Why argue when some people's opinions are just dead set ignorant.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 10, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Why argue when some people's opinions are just dead set ignorant.
there's nothing to argue about! Smiddy's a beauty and he's ours 8)
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on November 10, 2015, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 10, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Why argue when some people's opinions are just dead set ignorant.
there's nothing to argue about! Smiddy's a beauty and he's ours 8)
I was responding to the first page of this topic, not your post. :P ::)
I loved Smiddy, and had faith in both his bowling and batting from the beginning.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 10, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on November 10, 2015, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 10, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Why argue when some people's opinions are just dead set ignorant.
there's nothing to argue about! Smiddy's a beauty and he's ours 8)
I was responding to the first page of this topic, not your post. :P ::)
I loved Smiddy, and had faith in both his bowling and batting from the beginning.
oh I thought you were referring to Tabsy :P
I think the most notable point is going from Steven
to Steve or
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on November 10, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
Smiddy!
That says a lot for mine.
Quote from: Nige on January 31, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
Plenty of people who deserve spot over Smith...
I agree