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Title: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 04:04:25 PM
I'm just playing around with my team at the moment, but because of the 44 trades I've traded in some players that have easier starts to the season - they are also higher risk players!

I'm going 3 guns in DEF = God, Gibbs, Hartlett (easy start)

6 gun MID = Swan, Ablett, Watson, Pendlebury, Jack - IMO Essendon will start well again, like they have the past 2 seasons! Pendles always starts like a house on fire, and Sydney play GC and GWS in the first 2 Rounds; talk about DT paradise.

3 guns and 1 mid-price = Stevie Jay, Rockliff, Robinson, Martin, Wright - again, Brisbane has an easy draw, IMO Stevie Jay and Robbo will average 100+ and Wright, with the help of an easy draw, has the potential to average 95+!

has it changed your strategy or structure?
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: timmyparso on January 11, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Starting team not going to change much, early rounds usually have high trade numbers to catch the rookies playing well that weren't in your starting team. Premiums will not change.

May risk and try unique rookies though and fix in rounds 2-4 if they don't come though without fear of having no trades left at seasons end.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: GM on January 11, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: timmyparso on January 11, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Starting team not going to change much, early rounds usually have high trade numbers to catch the rookies playing well that weren't in your starting team. Premiums will not change.

May risk and try unique rookies though and fix in rounds 2-4 if they don't come though without fear of having no trades left at seasons end.
+1.The extra trades will allow you to have multiple rooks in on the bubble before rd 3.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: GM on January 11, 2013, 04:26:54 PM
I dont see the ruck dpp link as critical now.
Sandi or Cox with Berger now for me.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: SydneyRox on January 11, 2013, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: timmyparso on January 11, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Starting team not going to change much, early rounds usually have high trade numbers to catch the rookies playing well that weren't in your starting team. Premiums will not change.

May risk and try unique rookies though and fix in rounds 2-4 if they don't come though without fear of having no trades left at seasons end.

Why wouldn't your starting team alter a little??

Pick the lowest scoring rookies, and a couple of extra guns for the first 2 weeks before prices change

Then, alter your team as needed to get the optimum rookies and balance your team??
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: timmyparso on January 11, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on January 11, 2013, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: timmyparso on January 11, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Starting team not going to change much, early rounds usually have high trade numbers to catch the rookies playing well that weren't in your starting team. Premiums will not change.

May risk and try unique rookies though and fix in rounds 2-4 if they don't come though without fear of having no trades left at seasons end.

Why wouldn't your starting team alter a little??

Pick the lowest scoring rookies, and a couple of extra guns for the first 2 weeks before prices change

Then, alter your team as needed to get the optimum rookies and balance your team??

There is still only so much you can do with 2 trades which is why I'd only shuffle around the rookies in the early rounds. My team is already mostly a Gun/rookie side so there are plenty of rookies to trade with.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Ricochet on January 11, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
It will definitely change my strategy but won't affect my structure too much.
I've already locked away 2 trades after RD2 to fix rookies that were expect to be playing but aren't getting games (2013's Tom Couch).
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Holz on January 11, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 11, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
It will definitely change my strategy but won't affect my structure too much.
I've already locked away 2 trades after RD2 to fix rookies that were expect to be playing but aren't getting games (2013's Tom Couch).

im planning on 1 trade to downgrade a premium to a rookie to pocket the first price change than trade back the round after.

I want that premium socring in round 1 and 2 and the rookie only round 3.  To gain maybee 50 points early.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Adamant on January 11, 2013, 04:50:30 PM
Hasn't really changed my structure, but my premo's and strategy will be a lot different.

I already had Sandi in there, but he is now 100% locked.

Stanton is also locked with his notorious big starts to the year.

Then I'll look at a few uniques such as Stanley down back and Pav up forward.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: Adamant on January 11, 2013, 04:50:30 PM
Hasn't really changed my structure, but my premo's and strategy will be a lot different.

I already had Sandi in there, but he is now 100% locked.

Stanton is also locked with his notorious big starts to the year.

Then I'll look at a few uniques such as Stanley down back and Pav up forward.
Hartlett down back too, PA have a really easy start!
Pav's had back surgery during pre-seaosn btw*
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: SydneyRox on January 11, 2013, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: Adamant on January 11, 2013, 04:50:30 PM
Hasn't really changed my structure, but my premo's and strategy will be a lot different.

I already had Sandi in there, but he is now 100% locked.

Stanton is also locked with his notorious big starts to the year.

Then I'll look at a few uniques such as Stanley down back and Pav up forward.

Yeah Sandi looks really good now doesnt he!!
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Capper on January 11, 2013, 04:56:30 PM
This could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.

Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT gold as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT Gold, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: Adamant on January 11, 2013, 04:50:30 PM
Hasn't really changed my structure, but my premo's and strategy will be a lot different.

I already had Sandi in there, but he is now 100% locked.

Stanton is also locked with his notorious big starts to the year.

Then I'll look at a few uniques such as Stanley down back and Pav up forward.
Hartlett down back too, PA have a really easy start!
Pav's had back surgery during pre-seaosn btw*
Haha sorry had to laugh, nothing will be easy for Port Adelaide :P

But is Hamstrings looks fit he has to be considered
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Ricochet on January 11, 2013, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 11, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 11, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
It will definitely change my strategy but won't affect my structure too much.
I've already locked away 2 trades after RD2 to fix rookies that were expect to be playing but aren't getting games (2013's Tom Couch).

im planning on 1 trade to downgrade a premium to a rookie to pocket the first price change than trade back the round after.

I want that premium socring in round 1 and 2 and the rookie only round 3.  To gain maybee 50 points early.
Not a bad plan actually. Would you lose that 50 points you gained over rd1 and rd2 in rd3 tho?
Mid rook = 70-80
Mid prem = 110-130

Ablett gets the Raines tag in RD3
Pendles, Swan, Beams have Hawks (All three score well against Hawks)
Stanton has Freo (career average of 89 against Freo)
Cotchin has Bulldogs (scored 152 against them last year)
Murphy has Cats (scores relatively well against them)

Could definitely work by downgrading Stants or Ablett before rd 3.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
I'm looking at something like swapping Ablettto a bolter before Rd 3, say Ebert or Shuey start with tons, something like that, even a Caddy or some youngster looks like doing a Danger/Ebert
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Mr.Craig on January 11, 2013, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
I'm looking at something like swapping Ablett to a bolter before Rd 3, say Ebert or Shuey start with tons, something like that, even a Caddy or some youngster looks like doing a Danger/Ebert

See, there you go. That's the type of stuff that's going to make 2013 so interesting.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
NRoo playing GC first up, scored 136 and 125 against them last year...
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Adamant on January 11, 2013, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
NRoo playing GC first up, scored 136 and 125 against them last year...

flower, NRoo was my sneaky unique.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Holz on January 11, 2013, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
NRoo playing GC first up, scored 136 and 125 against them last year...

could be a good pick round 1 than trade him out. the thing is though you stil only have 4 trades to set yourself up for round 3. do you want to use one of them chasing points like that?
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 05:27:09 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 11, 2013, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
NRoo playing GC first up, scored 136 and 125 against them last year...

could be a good pick round 1 than trade him out. the thing is though you stil only have 4 trades to set yourself up for round 3. do you want to use one of them chasing points like that?
He plays Richmond and GWS in Round 2 and 3, can offload in round 4 after his price increase !
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Football Factory on January 11, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
Changes my thinking a little .. these new trade rules make it a simple goal for me .. upgrade my team before anyone else and then worry about sideways trading. So a mix of the Top 6 premo's from each position and the best midpricers and rooks i can find.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
That was my original strategy, now i'm thinking opposite, trade down before rd three to the underpricer who's gunning it
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
That was my original strategy, now i'm thinking opposite, trade down before rd three to the underpricer who's gunning it
I'm still going with 5 Gun MIDS, they're the ones who score the most points! It's not all about the $$$
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:36:42 PM
Maybe but the cheaper one's are often younger one's and can rapidly improve over a pre-season, trick is finding them, think Beams and Cotch last year, who will it be this year? I'm banking on Redden, Murphy and the Dangerman even Fyfe
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:36:42 PM
Maybe but the cheaper one's are often younger one's and can rapidly improve over a pre-season, trick is finding them, think Beams and Cotch last year, who will it be this year? I'm banking on Redden, Murphy and the Dangerman even Fyfe
Yeah my MID is Swan, Ablett, Watson, Pendles, Redden

Watson and Pendles are renown for their quick-fire starts and Redden has an easy draw, as does Hartlett and NRoo
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Football Factory on January 11, 2013, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
That was my original strategy, now i'm thinking opposite, trade down before rd three to the underpricer who's gunning it
I'm still going with 5 Gun MIDS, they're the ones who score the most points! It's not all about the $$$
Isnt it ? .. im thinking with these new trade rules people will be going nuts with trades to make enough money as they can to upgrade their team as quick as they can .. or is that just me ? A decent score is also necessary from the get go so a mix of Uber Premo's,midpricers and rooks seem like the way to go to me they all make you cash .. anyone agree?
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: GM on January 11, 2013, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 11, 2013, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
That was my original strategy, now i'm thinking opposite, trade down before rd three to the underpricer who's gunning it
I'm still going with 5 Gun MIDS, they're the ones who score the most points! It's not all about the $$$
Isnt it ? .. im thinking with these new trade rules people will be going nuts with trades to make enough money as they can to upgrade their team as quick as they can .. or is that just me ? A decent score is also necassary from the get go so a mix of Uber Premo's,midpricers and rooks seem like the way to go to me they all make you cash .. anyone agree?
+1 FF.Im looking at 5 mid premos + Ball
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:42:26 PM
Agree, need to make as much money as quick as you can, but yeah still need to be within striking distance of the leaders
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:43:49 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 11, 2013, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
That was my original strategy, now i'm thinking opposite, trade down before rd three to the underpricer who's gunning it
I'm still going with 5 Gun MIDS, they're the ones who score the most points! It's not all about the $$$
Isnt it ? .. im thinking with these new trade rules people will be going nuts with trades to make enough money as they can to upgrade their team as quick as they can .. or is that just me ? A decent score is also necassary from the get go so a mix of Uber Premo's,midpricers and rooks seem like the way to go to me they all make you cash .. anyone agree?
hmm interesting point...
would you rather Redden + Mayes or Embley + Ball + 70k then
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Football Factory on January 11, 2013, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:43:49 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 11, 2013, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 11, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Changes my mids significantly.

Out go Uber Premiums and in come underpriced premiums.

You know what comes next ;)
That was my original strategy, now i'm thinking opposite, trade down before rd three to the underpricer who's gunning it
I'm still going with 5 Gun MIDS, they're the ones who score the most points! It's not all about the $$$
Isnt it ? .. im thinking with these new trade rules people will be going nuts with trades to make enough money as they can to upgrade their team as quick as they can .. or is that just me ? A decent score is also necassary from the get go so a mix of Uber Premo's,midpricers and rooks seem like the way to go to me they all make you cash .. anyone agree?
hmm interesting point...
would you rather Redden + rook or Embley + Ball then
I dont have a problem with Redden will make some cash and become a top 8 midfielder imo .. Embley and Ball are both in my team
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: tbagrocks on January 11, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
That's the good thing about the new rule E2 it throws up more complex strategy's, now to find the right one :P
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
Grimes + Goldy + Cloke
vs
Sandi + Hartlett + Cloke
vs
Martin + Goldstein + 30k
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: GM on January 11, 2013, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
Grimes + Goldy + Cloke
vs
Sandi + Hartlett + Cloke
vs
Martin + Goldstein + 30k
First 2 are pretty close E2,but i prefer Sandi over Goldy
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: greenmoon on January 11, 2013, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 11, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
Grimes + Goldy + Cloke
vs
Sandi + Hartlett + Cloke
vs
Martin + Goldstein + 30k
First 2 are pretty close E2,but i prefer Sandi over Goldy
yeah I've gone Sandilands + Hartlett + Sylvia
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
Yep more cash cows, the way i see you win it now is to generate as much money as quickly as possible and beat everyone to a Prem Team.  ;)
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 12, 2013, 03:09:26 AM
definitely more underpriced players like Ball, Embley, Knights, Sandi and Pendles are all very close to locks!
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Holz on January 12, 2013, 03:16:38 AM
im not sure about others but it has only had a tiny effect on my starting team. All i did was trade out martin for Nroo (good draw)

the difference will be in how your teams change i dont think it should chaneg your starting team at all.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:21:34 AM
Yeah im with you Holz, to many guys getting excited and putting in Spuds that shouldn't really be considered just casue they get a few extra trades, will be interesting to see how all these midprices go though, even though prietty much all of em need to pay of to make it worth it....

Really Nroo?? what am i missing there :-\
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Adamant on January 12, 2013, 03:37:37 AM
Quote from: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:21:34 AM
Yeah im with you Holz, to many guys getting excited and putting in Spuds that shouldn't really be considered just casue they get a few extra trades, will be interesting to see how all these midprices go though, even though prietty much all of em need to pay of to make it worth it....

Really Nroo?? what am i missing there :-\

Well, Saint Kilda play Gold Coast, Richmond, and GWS in their first 3 games.

NRoo scored 126 & 136 against Gold Coast last year, and 100 against Richmond. He didn't play GWS, but you would think he will ton up against them.

He still averaged a decent 85 last year (89 if you remove his sub affected game) and should make a bit of cash in the first month or so to be a straight swap to someone like Buddy.

I don't have him at this stage, but I can definitely see the merit behind starting him and I was actually thinking of him as a smokey about 2 weeks ago. Hope he does well for my Asians too. ;)
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:42:33 AM
Quote from: Adamant on January 12, 2013, 03:37:37 AM
Quote from: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:21:34 AM
Yeah im with you Holz, to many guys getting excited and putting in Spuds that shouldn't really be considered just casue they get a few extra trades, will be interesting to see how all these midprices go though, even though prietty much all of em need to pay of to make it worth it....

Really Nroo?? what am i missing there :-\

Well, Saint Kilda play Gold Coast, Richmond, and GWS in their first 3 games.

NRoo scored 126 & 136 against Gold Coast last year, and 100 against Richmond. He didn't play GWS, but you would think he will ton up against them.

He still averaged a decent 85 last year (89 if you remove his sub affected game) and should make a bit of cash in the first month or so to be a straight swap to someone like Buddy.

I don't have him at this stage, but I can definitely see the merit behind starting him and I was actually thinking of him as a smokey about 2 weeks ago. Hope he does well for my Asians too. ;)

What happens after the first 3 games though?? is it worth having him for those games and then trading him Adz??

Hahah besides Riewoldt and Martin you know you have Spuds, Me and Toga happy to give one of our 4 fwds ave 113+ for a back ;) and we have tippet and varcoe as backups :o You will Feel the wrath of the Lambs ;D
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Mr.Craig on January 12, 2013, 03:43:35 AM
This will hopefully be one of the positive outcomes - that people will go a bit more unique and not necessarily stick to the 50 or so players that are super popular. They might crash and burn or they might kill it.

I think the major issue people are grappling with today is that we've gone from a very well defined strategy that most of us are skilled at, to a situation where there's all sorts of different ways to approach selections, trading and cash generation. Yeah okay, it's made things easier for spuds and harder for top coaches but the guys at the top are there because they are far more knowlegable about a whole range of things that affect the overall outcome. No rule change can take that away.

Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Holz on January 12, 2013, 03:51:18 AM
Quote from: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:42:33 AM
Quote from: Adamant on January 12, 2013, 03:37:37 AM
Quote from: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:21:34 AM
Yeah im with you Holz, to many guys getting excited and putting in Spuds that shouldn't really be considered just casue they get a few extra trades, will be interesting to see how all these midprices go though, even though prietty much all of em need to pay of to make it worth it....

Really Nroo?? what am i missing there :-\

Well, Saint Kilda play Gold Coast, Richmond, and GWS in their first 3 games.

NRoo scored 126 & 136 against Gold Coast last year, and 100 against Richmond. He didn't play GWS, but you would think he will ton up against them.

He still averaged a decent 85 last year (89 if you remove his sub affected game) and should make a bit of cash in the first month or so to be a straight swap to someone like Buddy.

I don't have him at this stage, but I can definitely see the merit behind starting him and I was actually thinking of him as a smokey about 2 weeks ago. Hope he does well for my Asians too. ;)

What happens after the first 3 games though?? is it worth having him for those games and then trading him Adz??

Hahah besides Riewoldt and Martin you know you have Spuds, Me and Toga happy to give one of our 4 fwds ave 113+ for a back ;) and we have tippet and varcoe as backups :o You will Feel the wrath of the Lambs ;D

Yep drop him after round 3.

My plan is round 3 trade out my highest BE premo for a rookie than fix up a rookie. Round out Nroo and in SJ or buddy and bring the best premo I can afford to replace the guy I traded out.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 04:09:36 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on January 12, 2013, 03:43:35 AM
This will hopefully be one of the positive outcomes - that people will go a bit more unique and not necessarily stick to the 50 or so players that are super popular. They might crash and burn or they might kill it.

I think the major issue people are grappling with today is that we've gone from a very well defined strategy that most of us are skilled at, to a situation where there's all sorts of different ways to approach selections, trading and cash generation. Yeah okay, it's made things easier for spuds and harder for top coaches but the guys at the top are there because they are far more knowlegable about a whole range of things that affect the overall outcome. No rule change can take that away.

This is what im struggerling to come to terms with Mr.Craig, I think its great for the game as gives so many different options to consider. Im not sure I have the balls to deviate from my stratergy though and take the risks with these guys i would of never considered in past years. Comes down to old or new i guess  :-\

Quote from: Holzman on January 12, 2013, 03:51:18 AM
Quote from: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:42:33 AM
Quote from: Adamant on January 12, 2013, 03:37:37 AM
Quote from: picker_man on January 12, 2013, 03:21:34 AM
Yeah im with you Holz, to many guys getting excited and putting in Spuds that shouldn't really be considered just casue they get a few extra trades, will be interesting to see how all these midprices go though, even though prietty much all of em need to pay of to make it worth it....

Really Nroo?? what am i missing there :-\

Well, Saint Kilda play Gold Coast, Richmond, and GWS in their first 3 games.

NRoo scored 126 & 136 against Gold Coast last year, and 100 against Richmond. He didn't play GWS, but you would think he will ton up against them.

He still averaged a decent 85 last year (89 if you remove his sub affected game) and should make a bit of cash in the first month or so to be a straight swap to someone like Buddy.

I don't have him at this stage, but I can definitely see the merit behind starting him and I was actually thinking of him as a smokey about 2 weeks ago. Hope he does well for my Asians too. ;)

What happens after the first 3 games though?? is it worth having him for those games and then trading him Adz??

Hahah besides Riewoldt and Martin you know you have Spuds, Me and Toga happy to give one of our 4 fwds ave 113+ for a back ;) and we have tippet and varcoe as backups :o You will Feel the wrath of the Lambs ;D

Yep drop him after round 3.

My plan is round 3 trade out my highest BE premo for a rookie than fix up a rookie. Round out Nroo and in SJ or buddy and bring the best premo I can afford to replace the guy I traded out.

Hmmm there is alot of upside looking at it your way Holz, but still to many negatives aswell imo. If Riewodt doesnt perform whats the back up plan for that?? I can definantly now see why its tempting but there is alot of risk involved to make minimal cash isn't there?? If Riewoldt spuds up you will lose cash and need to downgrade a rookie just to upgrade him, whilst everyone uses that to get a premium elsewere not rectify a mistake :-\ Big risk for Big gain i guess.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 12, 2013, 10:41:09 AM
If NRoo spuds up you just trade him to Martin or Wright after round 2! 8)
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Nieso FC on January 12, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
Kinda struggling to get my head around the best way to go.

Keep my Uber Premium mids which is in draft 1. or bring in Underpriced mids and when the fluctuation in price comes from both and the gap is near here nor there get the Ubers back.

Draft 1. Prior to trade news

B - God, Gibbs, Duff, Broughts, Goodes, Pittard - Colqs, Terlich
M - Swan, GAJ, Boyd, Cotch, Pendles, Wines, K.Mitchel, B.Crouch - Omeara, Viney
R - McEvoy, Lue - Gawn, Witts
F - SJ, Rock, Dusty, Knights, Stringer, Menzel - Staker, Lee

Draft 2. Post trade info

B - God, Gibbs, Duff, Brouts, Pittard, Goodes - Colqs, Terlich
M - Pendles, Redden, Murph, NDS, Fyfe, Mundy, Wines, Crouch - Omeara, Viney
R - Sandi, Lue - Gawn, Witts
F - SJ, Rock, N.Roo, Dusty, Stringer, Menzel - Staker, Lee

Changes -
Swan - Redden
GAJ - Murph
Boyd - NDS
Cotch - Mundy
K.Mitchel - Fyfe
McEvoy - Sandi
Knights - N.Roo

Doing my head in as I see an argument for both!

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: essendon2 on January 12, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 12, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
Kinda struggling to get my head around the best way to go.

Keep my Uber Premium mids which is in draft 1. or bring in Underpriced mids and when the fluctuation in price comes from both and the gap is near here nor there get the Ubers back.

Draft 1. Prior to trade news

B - God, Gibbs, Duff, Broughts, Goodes, Pittard - Colqs, Terlich
M - Swan, GAJ, Boyd, Cotch, Pendles, Wines, K.Mitchel, B.Crouch - Omeara, Viney
R - McEvoy, Lue - Gawn, Witts
F - SJ, Rock, Dusty, Knights, Stringer, Menzel - Staker, Lee

Draft 2. Post trade info

B - God, Gibbs, Duff, Brouts, Pittard, Goodes - Colqs, Terlich
M - Pendles, Redden, Murph, NDS, Fyfe, Mundy, Wines, Crouch - Omeara, Viney
R - Sandi, Lue - Gawn, Witts
F - SJ, Rock, N.Roo, Dusty, Stringer, Menzel - Staker, Lee

Changes -
Swan - Redden
GAJ - Murph
Boyd - NDS
Cotch - Mundy
K.Mitchel - Fyfe
McEvoy - Sandi
Knights - N.Roo

Doing my head in as I see an argument for both!

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Swan (130) - Redden (115)
GAJ (125) - Murph (112)
Boyd (115) - NDS (105) (first 3 rounds I assume)
Cotch (116) - Mundy (105)
K.Mitchel (70) - Fyfe (103)
McEvoy (93) - Sandi (95)
Knights (80) - N.Roo (100) (first 3 rounds also)

729 vs 735

Yeah, love the changes, the only thing I'd maybe do is after Round 2, downgrade an Uber premium with a High BE --> a low BE rook, then after round 3, upgrade NDS --> Cotchin (or a hot-streak premium), just so you have one more reliable premium!
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Nieso FC on January 12, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: essendon2 on January 12, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 12, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
Kinda struggling to get my head around the best way to go.

Keep my Uber Premium mids which is in draft 1. or bring in Underpriced mids and when the fluctuation in price comes from both and the gap is near here nor there get the Ubers back.

Draft 1. Prior to trade news

B - God, Gibbs, Duff, Broughts, Goodes, Pittard - Colqs, Terlich
M - Swan, GAJ, Boyd, Cotch, Pendles, Wines, K.Mitchel, B.Crouch - Omeara, Viney
R - McEvoy, Lue - Gawn, Witts
F - SJ, Rock, Dusty, Knights, Stringer, Menzel - Staker, Lee

Draft 2. Post trade info

B - God, Gibbs, Duff, Brouts, Pittard, Goodes - Colqs, Terlich
M - Pendles, Redden, Murph, NDS, Fyfe, Mundy, Wines, Crouch - Omeara, Viney
R - Sandi, Lue - Gawn, Witts
F - SJ, Rock, N.Roo, Dusty, Stringer, Menzel - Staker, Lee

Changes -
Swan - Redden
GAJ - Murph
Boyd - NDS
Cotch - Mundy
K.Mitchel - Fyfe
McEvoy - Sandi
Knights - N.Roo

Doing my head in as I see an argument for both!

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Swan (130) - Redden (115)
GAJ (125) - Murph (112)
Boyd (115) - NDS (105) (first 3 rounds I assume)
Cotch (116) - Mundy (105)
K.Mitchel (70) - Fyfe (103)
McEvoy (93) - Sandi (95)
Knights (80) - N.Roo (100) (first 3 rounds also)

729 vs 735

Yeah, love the changes, the only thing I'd maybe do is after Round 2, downgrade an Uber premium with a High BE --> a low BE rook, then after round 3, upgrade NDS --> Cotchin (or a hot-streak premium), just so you have one more reliable premium!

I did a similar comparison and came up with similar figures which got me wondering if it was actually worth it.

Yes NDS and N.Roo are for their early draw and I will be looking to trade a premium with a high BE for a rook on the bubble.

Thx for responding.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:37:35 PM
Been fiddling around... for me this makes it less risky to select those who would do a Ebert-like breakout.

Before my mids were:
GAJ Pendles Redden Murphy Embley than rooks

Now it looks like
GAJ Pendles Jack NDS Hannebury rooks

Intriguing...
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Andrew on January 12, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:37:35 PM
Been fiddling around... for me this makes it less risky to select those who would do a Ebert-like breakout.

Before my mids were:
GAJ Pendles Redden Murphy Embley than rooks

Now it looks like
GAJ Pendles Jack NDS Hannebury rooks

Intriguing...


Yeah I want a Swans mid, but I'm not sure which one. Not sure on Hannebury's ability to go big. Kieran Jack is probably the pick of the bunch to go big v GWS, but Hannebury better value overall.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on January 12, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:37:35 PM
Been fiddling around... for me this makes it less risky to select those who would do a Ebert-like breakout.

Before my mids were:
GAJ Pendles Redden Murphy Embley than rooks

Now it looks like
GAJ Pendles Jack NDS Hannebury rooks

Intriguing...


Yeah I want a Swans mid, but I'm not sure which one. Not sure on Hannebury's ability to go big. Kieran Jack is probably the pick of the bunch to go big v GWS, but Hannebury better value overall.
I'm thinking I should give O'Keefe a go, simply because of his finals series...
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Mr.Craig on January 12, 2013, 05:50:44 PM
Anyone would think you're a Swans supporter Stew. :P
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:51:57 PM
Damn, here I was trying to make you guys think I was a Pies supporter...  ::)
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Andrew on January 12, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on January 12, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: stew42 on January 12, 2013, 05:37:35 PM
Been fiddling around... for me this makes it less risky to select those who would do a Ebert-like breakout.

Before my mids were:
GAJ Pendles Redden Murphy Embley than rooks

Now it looks like
GAJ Pendles Jack NDS Hannebury rooks

Intriguing...


Yeah I want a Swans mid, but I'm not sure which one. Not sure on Hannebury's ability to go big. Kieran Jack is probably the pick of the bunch to go big v GWS, but Hannebury better value overall.
I'm thinking I should give O'Keefe a go, simply because of his finals series...


He usually starts the season slow though, being a veteran. Maybe Hannebury is worth a punt anyway. Even with 2 trades a week, you can't trade everyone and Hannebury could be a breakout this year.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: timmyparso on January 12, 2013, 06:50:12 PM
Why does everyone assume that the premium players will underperforming at the start of the season? They are priced high because they are guns. Expecting a price drop and a price rise from the "bargain" buys is very risky. If swan only averages 100 after 3 weeks it doesn't mean he''ll be priced at 100 at the first price change, and like wise for the guy who averages 100 when priced at 85. it takes a few more weeks for the price to meet the average, example zorko who took 12 weeks for his price  get close to matching his average. These 3 week trade plans will only gain you $20k (if successful that is)and won't help you upgrade that quickly. 

Focus in first 5 rounds should be on rookies (not premiums)as that is where the big money gains are.
Title: Re: The Trading Rule ~ Does this change your team structure?
Post by: Nieso FC on January 12, 2013, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: timmyparso on January 12, 2013, 06:50:12 PM
Why does everyone assume that the premium players will underperforming at the start of the season? They are priced high because they are guns. Expecting a price drop and a price rise from the "bargain" buys is very risky. If swan only averages 100 after 3 weeks it doesn't mean he''ll be priced at 100 at the first price change, and like wise for the guy who averages 100 when priced at 85. it takes a few more weeks for the price to meet the average, example zorko who took 12 weeks for his price  get close to matching his average. These 3 week trade plans will only gain you $20k (if successful that is)and won't help you upgrade that quickly. 

Focus in first 5 rounds should be on rookies (not premiums)as that is where the big money gains are.

Might be a case of underpriced premiums rising quickly, players such as Murphy, Mundy, Fyfe, Redden should rise quite quickly IMO.

However amy strategy has some risk...2012 showed that nothing or no player should be taken for granted.