http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/new-rules-for-supercoach-in-2013-include-extra-trades-free-draft-game-and-rolling-lockout/story-fn88c7kz-1226526669356
Supercoach changes for 2013, thought I would provide a base for discussions as I havent seen one here as yet but I may be wrong.
MAJOR CHANGES
Positional Make Up - Every team will now have 2 extra midfielders, taking the total to 8. There will be a decrease in Forwards and Defenders by one to six of each.
Rolling Lock Out - There will be a rolling lockout so you change players up to the last minute for all games that are yet to be played (see my rant below for my thoughts on this)
Emergencies - There will be an additional emergency allowed, with the new total allowed being 4.
Trades - There will be an increase to 30 trades.
WHY FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN?
The structure change and the extra changes I can deal with.
The possible Captain loophole nearly every round if things work out for your team? Surely they must lock in VC and C before the first game.
And the rolling lockout? As someone who works on weekends and can't access a computer straight before games to change my side due to late changes, this leaves me pretty much screwed. Ill probably miss out on the ability the make 20 odd late changes to my side throughout the year. This therefore rules me out of the competition completely before it has even started!!! Surely there are other people in the same boat? Either those who work or play footy on a Saturday or Sunday? Basically those can sit on supercoach all weekend every weekend can win it, those of us who only have access to a computer before one or two games a week, well why even bother? NOT HAPPY! End rant.
Quote from: dmac07 on November 30, 2012, 03:53:14 PM
The possible Captain loophole nearly every round if things work out for your team? Surely they must lock in VC and C before the first game.
And the rolling lockout? As someone who works on weekends and can't access a computer straight before games to change my side due to late changes, this leaves me pretty much screwed. Ill probably miss out on the ability the make 20 odd late changes to my side throughout the year. This therefore rules me out of the competition completely before it has even started!!! Surely there are other people in the same boat? Either those who work or play footy on a Saturday or Sunday? Basically those can sit on supercoach all weekend every weekend can win it, those of us who only have access to a computer before one or two games a week, well why even bother? NOT HAPPY! End rant.
The first part sounds nice, but after that not so nice.
I have commitments on the weekend, as I'm sure many of us do, that puts me behind the eight ball. The purpose for this change is commercial, but it will deter a lot of people from even signing up in the first place...
It sucks!!
Quote from: Fletch74 on November 30, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on November 30, 2012, 03:53:14 PM
The possible Captain loophole nearly every round if things work out for your team? Surely they must lock in VC and C before the first game.
And the rolling lockout? As someone who works on weekends and can't access a computer straight before games to change my side due to late changes, this leaves me pretty much screwed. Ill probably miss out on the ability the make 20 odd late changes to my side throughout the year. This therefore rules me out of the competition completely before it has even started!!! Surely there are other people in the same boat? Either those who work or play footy on a Saturday or Sunday? Basically those can sit on supercoach all weekend every weekend can win it, those of us who only have access to a computer before one or two games a week, well why even bother? NOT HAPPY! End rant.
The first part sounds nice, but after that not so nice.
I have commitments on the weekend, as I'm sure many of us do, that puts me behind the eight ball. The purpose for this change is commercial, but it will deter a lot of people from even signing up in the first place...
It sucks!!
Exactly, people have to sign on more often, they see more adds, the paper can charge more for advertising. However, if I miss out on 10-20 changes during the year, equating to say 1000-2000 points, well put simply I can't win or even compete. I would say 20%+ of people would be in the same boat andwith this change it gives us zero chance in overall, or in any league where there are people who can change their team all weekend!
If this is how it will work supercoach is pretty much ruined for me! Big call but true. I know he chances of any individual winning it are tiny, but if you have zero chance before the first game of the season... well my motivation is ruined!
Well the change of a rolling lockout sucks. There will be many people this will disadvantage. I for one work most saturdays, and on sunday i go to my lads soccer. That is a huge disadvantage, compared to someone who sits in front of his laptop all day. Before people go on about smart phones, don't have one' don't want one. May have to give supercoach a rest, and concentrate on dream/team and sports bet next year. I do beleive this will put alot of people off. As far as i'm concerned, this has ruined s/c . PS the other rules are ok. Not a happy chappy
Do not see why we need the rolling lock out with the introduction of 4 emergencies. Most of the time this year it was late ruck withdrawals that hurt most. Now with the availability of a ruck emergency that is covered.
Thought that was the reason for emergencies originally to cover late outs so why have emergencies if we have a rolling lock out.
Like you Dudge I do not have a smart phones and when I go to Lions home games if I become aware of late changes do not have the opportunity to change,
This change will ruin SC in favour of those who have 24 hrs access to change.
Not sure whether with a rolling lock out when we will have the trade embargo. This year when we had partial lock outs it was usually on the Friday Night so with the new rules can we trade up till the Sunday Twilight game if necessary.
Not happy with this rule either as it takes the skill out of the game. We will see scores escalate as well with loop holes being taken advantage of.
I will probably continue playing as I only do SC but as Fletch says motivation will be an issue with the introduction of this flower rolling lock out.
Do not trust i-phones or smart phones to do alte trades, anything can happen.
I too am not a fan of the the rolling lockout BUT if the rolling lockout means that you cant rade over the weekend once the first game has started then thats ok for me. 30 trades is way too many, IMO they are trying to make it too easy for people to play.
I'm not against it, but if you want to win then your social life is thrown away.
flower yeah. I'm gonna win.
Quote from: whatlez on November 30, 2012, 07:07:42 PM
I'm not against it, but if you want to win then your social life is thrown away.
Agree Lez, but why not leave it as it was, and then we can have a social/ work life, and still have a chance of winning. Sucks
Quote from: Ziplock on November 30, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
flower yeah. I'm gonna win.
No I will :P I have no life.
Flower, gunna have to buy a phone now FFS.
Quote from: Windigo on November 30, 2012, 07:32:15 PM
Flower, gunna have to buy a phone now FFS.
Yeah me too, I don't have internet on my phone!
Unfortunately the phone apps are buggy and don't always work. Plus I can't just interrupt a client 3 or 4 times on a Sunday to check my side for ten minutes and make changes. I know its designed to get people on more but when ou lose a game because your opponents can sit on it all day and you can't, seriously considering just giving up on it. This coming from someone who is obsessed and would usually log on 20-30 times a week. Will not get a digital pass again either.
Quote from: dmac07 on November 30, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
Unfortunately the phone apps are buggy and don't always work. Plus I can't just interrupt a client 3 or 4 times on a Sunday to check my side for ten minutes and make changes. I know its designed to get people on more but when ou lose a game because your opponents can sit on it all day and you can't, seriously considering just giving up on it. This coming from someone who is obsessed and would usually log on 20-30 times a week. Will not get a digital pass again either.
Mate feel the same sadly. People got to realise, i've got no personal vendetta, just don't think this rule is doing d/t-s/c-sb any justice
Usually it wasn't a problem but a couple of times during the year it took me 4+ hours just to log on. The site tended to struggle during high traffic periods and if that costs me points then there'll be some serious nerd rage going on. :P
I'm in that top percentage of high end users that will be advantaged by the rule change (except during the 2 weekends of the first round where I won't have internet access :'() but even I think it's beyond silly. There was something great about that moment when the lockout ticked over and you knew your fate was in the hands of the DT Gods.
Nothing has been confirmed yet (at least as far as DT is concerned). I still have a glimmer of hope that VS will use some common sense.
lol yeah i liked finally getting to lockout now all weekend i'll be going over possible ways to improve my scores ::)
That is true Mr Craig, people are assuming that the super coach rules will cross over to DT. It hasn't been completely confirmed for DT so who knows.... :-\
crazy changes!! this is what i think about them:
1. 4 emergencies
I like that because it was really stupid not being able to have one in every position
2. 30 trades
absolutely hate it, way too many, its gonna be so easy to get a full premium team! that means that stragegies must be used to use the extra premiums to your advantage and not just the same as everybody else
3. 8 mids, 6 backs+forwards
like this one too cause it is more realistic plus there are a much larger number of mids to choose from
4. rolling lockout
absolutely crazy! they clearly didnt think this one through! u can now use the captain loophole every week and also use it to your advantage in terms of who to put on the field. it also means u can acheive alot better than others by spending huge amounts of time on it, not only before the week, but during. addiction time!!!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/eradicate-rolling-lockout-from-dt-2013/
Also applies to SC :)
In light of the horror desicion by VS (Virtual Sports) to have a rolling lockout come 2013, meaning the captain loophole can be used every week, and that a player is only locked in when their game starts, I have decided to set up a petition in order to stop this, this will seriously disadvantage tens of thousands of people who dont have the time to sit at their computer every weekend, including myself. This has made hundreds of coaches seriously consider quitting, and we dont want that!
Sign here!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/eradicate-rolling-lockout-from-dt-2013/
(I know it says DT but it also applies to SC)
In light of the horror desicion by VS (Virtual Sports) to have a rolling lockout come 2013, meaning the captain loophole can be used every week, and that a player is only locked in when their game starts, I have decided to set up a petition in order to stop this, this will seriously disadvantage tens of thousands of people who dont have the time to sit at their computer every weekend, including myself. This has made hundreds of coaches seriously consider quitting, and we dont want that!
Look, it hasnt been confirmed, and lets hope it doesnt, but for now, we can still stop it!
Sign here!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/eradicate-rolling-lockout-from-dt-2013/
done mate 8)
can someone please explain the problem with the rule? im thinking it would be handy too combat the last minute changes which for me cost me my league grand final as in the later rounds of the year the late changes increase, surley you can get your team finalised on friday? and by the slight chance something happens get out your smartphone and make a change :S
Quote from: leightonio on December 01, 2012, 12:36:10 PM
can someone please explain the problem with the rule? im thinking it would be handy too combat the last minute changes which for me cost me my league grand final as in the later rounds of the year the late changes increase, surley you can get your team finalised on friday? and by the slight chance something happens get out your smartphone and make a change :S
A lot of people work on weekends, and not everyone has smartphones (surprise, surprise) The rollign lockout basically unevens the playing field.
You cannot enjoy weekends with a rolling lockout. :'(
yeah i suppose but surley im thinking vice captains and captains will be locked before friday cause otherwise that would be unfair, i dont have one myself just thought everyone else had one, i can see the negative but also the positives as i said by my own personal experience
I don't want to be up on a Saturday or Sunday morning having to worry about trades whilst battling off a hangover.
Done.
I bet AFL coaches would love to have a rolling lock out system on game day.
Could change there team list halfway through a game when things are going " UP S**T CREEK."
BAN THE ROLLING LOCK OUT! >:(
I'm one of those who don't really have much weekend access but rolling lockout is a good thing.
Things like players pulling their hammy on Saturday before their Sunday game...
Instead of 10,000 teams getting burned maybe only 1,000 teams burned... It's a good thing IMO.
Quote from: Nails on December 01, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
I'm one of those who don't really have much weekend access but rolling lockout is a good thing.
Things like players pulling their hammy on Saturday before their Sunday game...
Instead of 10,000 teams getting burned maybe only 1,000 teams burned... It's a good thing IMO.
Thats why we have emergencies tho yeah ? Next year according to the new rules we will have 4 emergencies
Quote from: Nails on December 01, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
I'm one of those who don't really have much weekend access but rolling lockout is a good thing.
Things like players pulling their hammy on Saturday before their Sunday game...
Instead of 10,000 teams getting burned maybe only 1,000 teams burned... It's a good thing IMO.
Can't see why the 1000 teams who have access to the net before all games on the weekend, should get an advantage on the other 9000 teams that have commitments and can't access the net. Just can't see you're point Nails. The only people who would support this ( in my way of thinking ) are coaches who feel they need a leg up, and don't like playing on a level playing feild. Can't see any other reason mate sorry, I just feel it's taking the skill out of the game, and giving some an unfair advantage
You have a difference between having someone like franklin being a late withdrawal and out for 6, and having to do with couches showerty 20 or w.e, or trading him
once again, I like it, sucked in all you people with a life.
probably didnt put that properly... but come on, a lot of us have been screwed more times by late outs when we've had access to the final teams rather than when we haven't... especially with subs, and ross lyon.
There's a reason they let you have emergencies in case you can't be on on the weekend. And it's 4 this year too.
Quote from: Ziplock on December 01, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
You have a difference between having someone like franklin being a late withdrawal and out for 6, and having to do with couches showerty 20 or w.e, or trading him
once again, I like it, sucked in all you people with a life.
If you pick crap players or downgrade to crap players to make cash to upgrade players and your emergency only scores 20 then too bad, thats where the skill comes into it. If the player is out for 6 weeks then trade him on friday the week after
I especially like the struture as it is highlighted on DT Talk. Last year there were like 250 odd defenders and forward, but like 330+ mids.
Therefore, there were more available, but less positions to place them in.
Well I had no social life this year lol, so this would suit me well... :'(
don't see the big deal if a players a late withdrawal all you will do is swap him with your emergencie anyway i dont think its that nig of an advantage
even if one of your premo mids gets dropped we usually don't know why or for how long before the game so i doubt there will be many cases of trading to avoid the emergencies score
and who says people have to stay online all weekend just have to logon jbefore the games IF there are any late withdrawals which does not even happen that often
i have no life so this gives me an advantage however i still dont really like it after friday night lockouts i felt i could finally relax and not stress about my team now i will be all weekend :(
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 01, 2012, 02:25:05 PM
don't see the big deal if a players a late withdrawal all you will do is swap him with your emergencie anyway i dont think its that nig of an advantage
even if one of your premo mids gets dropped we usually don't know why or for how long before the game so i doubt there will be many cases of trading to avoid the emergencies score
and who says people have to stay online all weekend just have to logon jbefore the games IF there are any late withdrawals which does not even happen that often
i have no life so this gives me an advantage however i still dont really like it after friday night lockouts i felt i could finally relax and not stress about my team now i will be all weekend :(
i actually think it will reduce stress now knowing if there is 1 or more late changes team you now have the opurtunity to fix it, but if ya trade or not thats your risk, if your player is a late change from the late sunday game you only have two teams to pcik a replacement from if you wish to trade, is it that much of an advantage? i dont really think so.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 01, 2012, 02:25:05 PM
don't see the big deal if a players a late withdrawal all you will do is swap him with your emergencie anyway i dont think its that nig of an advantage
even if one of your premo mids gets dropped we usually don't know why or for how long before the game so i doubt there will be many cases of trading to avoid the emergencies score
and who says people have to stay online all weekend just have to logon jbefore the games IF there are any late withdrawals which does not even happen that often
i have no life so this gives me an advantage however i still dont really like it after friday night lockouts i felt i could finally relax and not stress about my team now i will be all weekend :(
the bigger issues are the subs.
Signed. Hopefully it means something :P
Doubt it will work but signed anyway
If you have a smart phone, it should be no problems for most. Bit of a dilemma for me since i play footy on saturdays, so hopefully not too many late changes :/.
This rule absolutely sucks ass. What a frickin joke. Now some poor blokes will get shafted because they are at a wedding, or at work, or taking their kids to play sport. Why should these people get nailed while nerd boy gets a 100 point advantage. A travesty of justice.
I signed. Nice work.
Have to give it a go first. Lets see in 12 months from now if we feel the same
Get rid of it, its shocking. Signed!
Sides should be locked in friday night unless there is an extended week of footy, with a monday, thursday match etc.
Thats what emergencies are for! to cover late outs, hence picking a side with depth.
So if 28 of your 30 play up to Sunday then your last two are starters and pull out, you cannot do anything about it right?
Quote from: whatlez on December 01, 2012, 06:14:16 PM
So if 28 of your 30 play up to Sunday then your last two are starters and pull out, you cannot do anything about it right?
shower, good question... Got me thinking now.. Emergencies would solve that wouldnt they?
Quote from: shorty3264 on December 01, 2012, 06:08:49 PM
Get rid of it, its shocking. Signed!
Sides should be locked in friday night unless there is an extended week of footy, with a monday, thursday match etc.
Thats what emergencies are for! to cover late outs, hence picking a side with depth.
can see both sides of it. Probably bad for me.. But Yeh thinking emergencies especially being 4 now should be enough..
Will suit those who are happy to spend their weekends at the keyboard. If you've got other things to do you may be caught out. I'll be somewhere between the two.
Well done Koopa, keep pushing this because this new rule is an absolute joke and completely unfair
Quote from: enzedder on December 01, 2012, 06:18:31 PM
Will suit those who are happy to spend their weekends at the keyboard. If you've got other things to do you may be caught out. I'll be somewhere between the two.
Ill be the same, not on keyboard, the phone of course... haha
Every one should sign this unless you have no life and spend your entire weekend looking at a computer screen.
Terrible rule brought in just makes it a completely unfair game
I signed
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2012, 06:19:14 PM
Well done Koopa, keep pushing this because this new rule is an absolute joke and completely unfair
Completely agree quinny, just think no matter how slight this helps some compared to others, it still changes the level playing feild. Well done Koops
I signed
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
Every one should sign this unless you have no life and spend your entire weekend looking at a computer screen.
Terrible rule brought in just makes it a completely unfair game
You just described my life :(
Quote from: whatlez on December 01, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
Every one should sign this unless you have no life and spend your entire weekend looking at a computer screen.
Terrible rule brought in just makes it a completely unfair game
You just described my life :(
LOL
Quote from: whatlez on December 01, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
Every one should sign this unless you have no life and spend your entire weekend looking at a computer screen.
Terrible rule brought in just makes it a completely unfair game
You just described my life :(
PMSL ;D
Quote from: noto07 on December 01, 2012, 06:15:56 PM
Quote from: whatlez on December 01, 2012, 06:14:16 PM
So if 28 of your 30 play up to Sunday then your last two are starters and pull out, you cannot do anything about it right?
shower, good question... Got me thinking now.. Emergencies would solve that wouldnt they?
yes you would get the emergencies scores geez guys you acting like noobs
Thanks guys, 65 in about 7 hours, not a bad start. I want some sort of life on the weekend. ::) It unevens the playing field ridiculously.
Cheers Quinny and Dudge.
Thanks guys keep it up! Fairness for all!
Posted it on DT Talk Koop ;)
Quote from: Adamant on December 01, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
Posted it on DT Talk Koop ;)
Youre a legend Ada!
I did tweet them all about it, only Warnie has RTed so far. :)
Quote from: KoopKicka on December 01, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: Adamant on December 01, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
Posted it on DT Talk Koop ;)
Youre a legend Ada!
I did tweet them all about it, only Warnie has RTed so far. :)
Dreamteam Guru retweeted me.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on December 01, 2012, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on December 01, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: Adamant on December 01, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
Posted it on DT Talk Koop ;)
Youre a legend Ada!
I did tweet them all about it, only Warnie has RTed so far. :)
Dreamteam Guru retweeted me.
I now know who you are! I never you were in AFL dreamers! :D
Your a legend Mr.Craig :)
Quote from: Dudge on December 01, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: Nails on December 01, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
I'm one of those who don't really have much weekend access but rolling lockout is a good thing.
Things like players pulling their hammy on Saturday before their Sunday game...
Instead of 10,000 teams getting burned maybe only 1,000 teams burned... It's a good thing IMO.
Can't see why the 1000 teams who have access to the net before all games on the weekend, should get an advantage on the other 9000 teams that have commitments and can't access the net. Just can't see you're point Nails. The only people who would support this ( in my way of thinking ) are coaches who feel they need a leg up, and don't like playing on a level playing feild. Can't see any other reason mate sorry, I just feel it's taking the skill out of the game, and giving some an unfair advantage
The way it is now...
Let's go back to 2011 when only like 2% (myself included had Jack Redden)
Now let's say that 2% of the competition (random number) means 200 people have him and let's say in DT there's 30,000 coaches.
If this rule doesn't come in then those 200 coaches are SEVERELY punished vs. the other 29,800 coaches and are given close to guaranteed losses.
vs. with a Rolling Lockout where 180 coaches manage to trade him out or bring on a better player (perhaps through DPP) to their emergency then only 20 coaches get burnt.
Like if the rule doesn't come in the unlucky coaches get burnt the most at least this way minimizes burning.
Let them with No life rule!!!
Let them with NO life RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Nails on December 01, 2012, 09:51:18 PM
Quote from: Dudge on December 01, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: Nails on December 01, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
I'm one of those who don't really have much weekend access but rolling lockout is a good thing.
Things like players pulling their hammy on Saturday before their Sunday game...
Instead of 10,000 teams getting burned maybe only 1,000 teams burned... It's a good thing IMO.
Can't see why the 1000 teams who have access to the net before all games on the weekend, should get an advantage on the other 9000 teams that have commitments and can't access the net. Just can't see you're point Nails. The only people who would support this ( in my way of thinking ) are coaches who feel they need a leg up, and don't like playing on a level playing feild. Can't see any other reason mate sorry, I just feel it's taking the skill out of the game, and giving some an unfair advantage
The way it is now...
Let's go back to 2011 when only like 2% (myself included had Jack Redden)
Now let's say that 2% of the competition (random number) means 200 people have him and let's say in DT there's 30,000 coaches.
If this rule doesn't come in then those 200 coaches are SEVERELY punished vs. the other 29,800 coaches and are given close to guaranteed losses.
vs. with a Rolling Lockout where 180 coaches manage to trade him out or bring on a better player (perhaps through DPP) to their emergency then only 20 coaches get burnt.
Like if the rule doesn't come in the unlucky coaches get burnt the most at least this way minimizes burning.
Nails you just help my point of view. So you and another 200 hundred people had J.Redden, unfortunately for u and 2oo hundred people got burn't. But say next week ,me and 29,800 people had Rockliff and u 200 hundred coaches di'd'nt, we all suffer SEVERLY as well. ( if rocky's a late out ) . Equal playing feild, But those who have time to be in front of the net , will surely have an advantage, thats all i'm saying. iF this rule stays the same as it was, were all in the same boat, rather than those who sit in front of the net all weekend, having luxury cruisers, and the rest have to row
is there a place where you can email them ? this surely can't happen
Quote from: strikes91 on December 01, 2012, 11:34:12 PM
is there a place where you can email them ? this surely can't happen
Yeah page 1 of this post mate- as nike would say - just do it :)
Like and share this, lets make this massive so they cant ignore it!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-rid-of-the-new-rolling-lockout-SCDT-rule/411888705549199
Like and share this facebook page until its so big they have to take notice!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-rid-of-the-new-rolling-lockout-SCDT-rule/411888705549199
Not gonna give up on this until its changed.
It is a completely unfair rule change! The game should never be at the point where whoever spends the most time sitting on their computer wins the game
Quote from: quinny88 on December 02, 2012, 12:44:45 AM
Like and share this facebook page until its so big they have to take notice!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-rid-of-the-new-rolling-lockout-SCDT-rule/411888705549199
Not gonna give up on this until its changed.
It is a completely unfair rule change! The game should never be at the point where whoever spends the most time sitting on their computer wins the game
Will do Quinny, can you link the petition somehow too? 92 already!
Like and share this facebook page!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-rid-of-the-new-rolling-lockout-SCDT-rule/411888705549199
Not gonna give up on this until its changed.
It is a completely unfair rule change! The game should never be at the point where whoever spends the most time sitting on their computer wins the game
Yep I will mate
I signed too.
But I doubt they'll change it.
Basically, a rolling lockout means more hits to the site, and it will most likely encourage more people to buy the app for smart phones.
Bottom line, they'll trial it this year, and if it works like they hope, this rule is here to stay.
Don't expect it to change, but there's always hope, right?
Unfortunately, it's all about the money these days :/
Signed this! I know a few others that may be interested so I'll link them as well.
Quote from: Chelskiman on December 02, 2012, 01:42:34 AM
Signed this! I know a few others that may be interested so I'll link them as well.
Legend Chelski! :)
FYI I am against it, but I don't think that it is too much of a big deal. I reckon I was only robbed of emergency-less points this year was when I had all my emergencies on other lines, which only happened like twice.
If it really is that bad then the people at VS (who I'm sure play DT/SC and will understand what it is like) will get rid of it next season.
The worst bit will be the permanent VC loophole, but it's (a) not often that it works and (b) not too difficult to check DT/SC between matches.
Despite this I do see where you guys are coming from, it will be quite the inconvenience to check my DT at different times of the day on my smartphone (which I'm very excited about getting)
they may change the loophole.
yeah, but how many times did you get flowered because of a green vested player like suckling?
Quote from: 13Brummy on December 02, 2012, 02:28:11 AM
FYI I am against it, but I don't think that it is too much of a big deal. I reckon I was only robbed of emergency-less points this year was when I had all my emergencies on other lines, which only happened like twice.
If it really is that bad then the people at VS (who I'm sure play DT/SC and will understand what it is like) will get rid of it next season.
The worst bit will be the permanent VC loophole, but it's (a) not often that it works and (b) not too difficult to check DT/SC between matches.
Despite this I do see where you guys are coming from, it will be quite the inconvenience to check my DT at different times of the day on my smartphone (which I'm very excited about getting)
i agree and they have only done this as too many people were continuously complaining about players that were late withdrawals. This was always going to happen as teams were not going to do what Molly suggested and have an injury register.
Good luck to anyone that has the time to sit and watch their team all weekend and all year. But for me their are better things to do with your time then sit and watch your team all weekend.
Quote from: tabs on December 02, 2012, 05:01:17 AM
Quote from: 13Brummy on December 02, 2012, 02:28:11 AM
FYI I am against it, but I don't think that it is too much of a big deal. I reckon I was only robbed of emergency-less points this year was when I had all my emergencies on other lines, which only happened like twice.
If it really is that bad then the people at VS (who I'm sure play DT/SC and will understand what it is like) will get rid of it next season.
The worst bit will be the permanent VC loophole, but it's (a) not often that it works and (b) not too difficult to check DT/SC between matches.
Despite this I do see where you guys are coming from, it will be quite the inconvenience to check my DT at different times of the day on my smartphone (which I'm very excited about getting)
i agree and they have only done this as too many people were continuously complaining about players that were late withdrawals. This was always going to happen as teams were not going to do what Molly suggested and have an injury register.
Good luck to anyone that has the time to sit and watch their team all weekend and all year. But for me their are better things to do with your time then sit and watch your team all weekend.
There letting the person with no life win
Quote from: coolfugitiv0 on December 02, 2012, 01:26:07 AM
I signed too.
But I doubt they'll change it.
Basically, a rolling lockout means more hits to the site, and it will most likely encourage more people to buy the app for smart phones.
Bottom line, they'll trial it this year, and if it works like they hope, this rule is here to stay.
Don't expect it to change, but there's always hope, right?
Unfortunately, it's all about the money these days :/
I know. What ever happened to fun? :'(
Quote from: whatlez on December 01, 2012, 02:19:40 PM
I especially like the struture as it is highlighted on DT Talk. Last year there were like 250 odd defenders and forward, but like 330+ mids.
Therefore, there were more available, but less positions to place them in.
Yeah
cool
Onya mate.
Have just realised why they made all of these changes this year. I was looking through a forum page and found a link to this page on the Herald Sun site.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/supercoach-2013-have-your-say/story-fn88c7kz-1226497667168 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/supercoach-2013-have-your-say/story-fn88c7kz-1226497667168)
On here are polls for each of the rule changes that have been implemented this season and you can see why they have changed them.
There seems to be overwhelming support for the rolling lockout rule with over 70% of people voting for it, so I don't know if you are going to be able to do anything about it.
Sorry if people already know this, just found it and thought it was interesting,
Go get em mate
Put in my thoughts...
"While i appreciate what youre trying to do here it is a serious disadvantage to so many people. I personally have 2 out of every 5 weekends off from work and the times that i am working are through most of the games anyway so i miss the starts.
Not only that, having structure in your team is important and i believe this change will discourage forward thinking... "
I think the only reason they are actually doing it is for advertising costs. The site will have so many more hits than in previous years. Theyve just done it in a smart way.
Can i just confirm one thing, you can still TRADE (obviously players that havent played yet) during the weekend, or just swap emergencies onto the field... Im trying to look for the info...
Quote from: quinny88 on December 02, 2012, 12:47:34 AM
Like and share this facebook page!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-rid-of-the-new-rolling-lockout-SCDT-rule/411888705549199
Not gonna give up on this until its changed.
It is a completely unfair rule change! The game should never be at the point where whoever spends the most time sitting on their computer wins the game
+ me.
Nice link BB.
What idiots voted for that though?
If we FF community vote now, we only need 2000 of us to overturn it!
I've done my bit.
Quote from: tor01doc on December 02, 2012, 12:13:05 PM
Nice link BB.
What idiots voted for that though?
If we FF community vote now, we only need 2000 of us to overturn it!
I've done my bit.
Think its too late to vote and change now Torp, but if we had have seen it sooner, we could have made a difference :-\
Quote from: Dave085 on December 02, 2012, 11:29:48 AM
Put in my thoughts...
"While i appreciate what youre trying to do here it is a serious disadvantage to so many people. I personally have 2 out of every 5 weekends off from work and the times that i am working are through most of the games anyway so i miss the starts.
Not only that, having structure in your team is important and i believe this change will discourage forward thinking... "
I think the only reason they are actually doing it is for advertising costs. The site will have so many more hits than in previous years. Theyve just done it in a smart way.
Can i just confirm one thing, you can still TRADE (obviously players that havent played yet) during the weekend, or just swap emergencies onto the field... Im trying to look for the info...
I imagine you would be able to trade, but only to players that have not yet played that week. If there is only 1 game to come and there are no decent replacements you may just decide to keep the late player. I signed it, disadvantages us with lives.
Quote from: BB67th on December 02, 2012, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: tor01doc on December 02, 2012, 12:13:05 PM
Nice link BB.
What idiots voted for that though?
If we FF community vote now, we only need 2000 of us to overturn it!
I've done my bit.
Think its too late to vote and change now Torp, but if we had have seen it sooner, we could have made a difference :-\
Torp? :P
Quote from: Torpedo10 on December 02, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: BB67th on December 02, 2012, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: tor01doc on December 02, 2012, 12:13:05 PM
Nice link BB.
What idiots voted for that though?
If we FF community vote now, we only need 2000 of us to overturn it!
I've done my bit.
Think its too late to vote and change now Torp, but if we had have seen it sooner, we could have made a difference :-\
Torp? :P
Hahaha whoops. Just saw tor at the start of the name and thought torp.
So these polls were at the Sun were they? I don't visit the sun as they are nazi'z making people pay for everything,
I see only die hard fans going on there and voting and therefore the %70 of a bias vote! What about the rest of the country that didn't visit the sun to vote? Isn't this why we don't like the rule in the first place :P
For those that don't or can't access the internet on the weekends, you can at least use the VC loophole on Friday night games.
sorry but there are also people who work friday nights!!!!! spare a thought for them seriously the argument your presenting is bullshower dont think its valid at all and i think its a bit selfish im absolutley sick of it, no one likes all the rules to anything!! but they are there so stop sooking!!
Their trying to make more money by ngetting people to stay online and possibly invest in Gold or HQ, same as the tv stations trying to get you to watch more, these evil nazi's really don't care or even want you to have a life, they want all your money for themselves!
Getting two trades per week almost won the vote...
People will surely hate this rule more and more as the year goes on. When someone goes out on a Saturday/Sunday, or works, or plays footy, or has a child doing sport, or has poor mobile reception, or has a wedding etc, etc, etc and their league opponent doesnt and they lose because of it. When one of good player such as an ablett/pendlebury/frankllin pulls out, your opponent changes it and you dont, they get a 100 point turnaround and you lose because of it. You feel cheated because the team you picked wouldve won otherwise. As someone who is busy on weekends, I can see myself losing at 2-3 league games because of this, meaning I miss finals/top 4.
Before you people that can come on on weekends say well at least everyone isnt ruined, is the whole point that we play on an even playing field? Are you going to feel as satisfied gloating to your mate at work that you beat him if its only because you could make a late change and he couldn't? And for all thos that are busy on weekends? Why would any of us even consider being in a cash league with you guys?
As far as overall goes, well anyone who is busy on weekends will lose, on my estimate, an absolute minimum of 1000 points throughout the year. So the overall ranking therefore becomes meaningless as well. Even if you can access a computer before 90% of games for the season, it takes is one missed game and your season as far as your ranking goes is ruined. If say Collingwood play Essendon on a Sunday, even if it is the last game, and Pendlebury is your Captain, he is a late withdrawal, you could change your Captain to any other pies/dons premium in your side, especially if your vice captain did poorly. If you miss out on this, just ONCE, this could cost you 300 points, your season overall ranking is gone. Lets hear you complain then!
Quote from: noto07 on December 01, 2012, 06:17:16 PM
Quote from: shorty3264 on December 01, 2012, 06:08:49 PM
Get rid of it, its shocking. Signed!
Sides should be locked in friday night unless there is an extended week of footy, with a monday, thursday match etc.
Thats what emergencies are for! to cover late outs, hence picking a side with depth.
can see both sides of it. Probably bad for me.. But Yeh thinking emergencies especially being 4 now should be enough..
yeh, i just reckon its part of the game, they've upped trades and now a rolling lockout.
means the luck isnt with your players being late outs, but whether your rostered on a weekend shift hahah. not to mention the now pointless task of picking a captain, ie loophole.
Well done Koopa. Signed
Yeah this will not benefit me on Saturday night and Sat afternoon. Friday nights would be good and Sundays.
Quote from: dmac07 on December 02, 2012, 05:50:12 PM
People will surely hate this rule more and more as the year goes on. When someone goes out on a Saturday/Sunday, or works, or plays footy, or has a child doing sport, or has poor mobile reception, or has a wedding etc, etc, etc and their league opponent doesnt and they lose because of it. When one of good player such as an ablett/pendlebury/frankllin pulls out, your opponent changes it and you dont, they get a 100 point turnaround and you lose because of it. You feel cheated because the team you picked wouldve won otherwise. As someone who is busy on weekends, I can see myself losing at 2-3 league games because of this, meaning I miss finals/top 4.
Before you people that can come on on weekends say well at least everyone isnt ruined, is the whole point that we play on an even playing field? Are you going to feel as satisfied gloating to your mate at work that you beat him if its only because you could make a late change and he couldn't? And for all thos that are busy on weekends? Why would any of us even consider being in a cash league with you guys?
As far as overall goes, well anyone who is busy on weekends will lose, on my estimate, an absolute minimum of 1000 points throughout the year. So the overall ranking therefore becomes meaningless as well. Even if you can access a computer before 90% of games for the season, it takes is one missed game and your season as far as your ranking goes is ruined. If say Collingwood play Essendon on a Sunday, even if it is the last game, and Pendlebury is your Captain, he is a late withdrawal, you could change your Captain to any other pies/dons premium in your side, especially if your vice captain did poorly. If you miss out on this, just ONCE, this could cost you 300 points, your season overall ranking is gone. Lets hear you complain then!
What i find difficult with the coaches supporting this rolling lockout change, is they must feel they need it, to compete. Otherwise would'nt EVERYONE wan't a equal playing feild. I'm starting to get the impression that certain people need a leg up, not mentioning names btw ???
Quote from: Dudge on December 02, 2012, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 02, 2012, 05:50:12 PM
People will surely hate this rule more and more as the year goes on. When someone goes out on a Saturday/Sunday, or works, or plays footy, or has a child doing sport, or has poor mobile reception, or has a wedding etc, etc, etc and their league opponent doesnt and they lose because of it. When one of good player such as an ablett/pendlebury/frankllin pulls out, your opponent changes it and you dont, they get a 100 point turnaround and you lose because of it. You feel cheated because the team you picked wouldve won otherwise. As someone who is busy on weekends, I can see myself losing at 2-3 league games because of this, meaning I miss finals/top 4.
Before you people that can come on on weekends say well at least everyone isnt ruined, is the whole point that we play on an even playing field? Are you going to feel as satisfied gloating to your mate at work that you beat him if its only because you could make a late change and he couldn't? And for all thos that are busy on weekends? Why would any of us even consider being in a cash league with you guys?
As far as overall goes, well anyone who is busy on weekends will lose, on my estimate, an absolute minimum of 1000 points throughout the year. So the overall ranking therefore becomes meaningless as well. Even if you can access a computer before 90% of games for the season, it takes is one missed game and your season as far as your ranking goes is ruined. If say Collingwood play Essendon on a Sunday, even if it is the last game, and Pendlebury is your Captain, he is a late withdrawal, you could change your Captain to any other pies/dons premium in your side, especially if your vice captain did poorly. If you miss out on this, just ONCE, this could cost you 300 points, your season overall ranking is gone. Lets hear you complain then!
What i find difficult with the coaches supporting this rolling lockout change, is they must feel they need it, to compete. Otherwise would'nt EVERYONE wan't a equal playing feild. I'm starting to get the impression that certain people need a leg up, not mentioning names btw ???
in ways i like this new rule and in ways i don't i'm probably 50/50 on it i finished 1,769th in SC last season so don't think i need a leg up either
if these rules stay in place i will use them to my advantage however i can
KB ,as dmac stated, do u go to work on monday, and say, " i beat u bud "because i was on the computer,and mate you could'nt. Would u really be satisfied, without the leg up (i realise, a wins a win ), but at what cost to ur consience, really mate. And if u only lost 1 or 2 games cause of it, it may mean missing the top 4 ( double chance). Wosre still, would be getting kicked out the finals, because u could'nt access the net through commitments/ work, and that particular week ur opponent could. Overall, or striving for a decent rank, is compromised as well, just can't understand why peoplel would think the rolling lockout is a good thing, and i'll say it for a hundreth time- the playing feild IS NOT even
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Quote from: Dudge on December 02, 2012, 11:53:39 PM
KB ,as dmac stated, do u go to work on monday, and say, " i beat u bud "because i was on the computer,and mate you could'nt. Would u really be satisfied, without the leg up (i realise, a wins a win ), but at what cost to ur consience, really mate. And if u only lost 1 or 2 games cause of it, it may mean missing the top 4 ( double chance). Wosre still, would be getting kicked out the finals, because u could'nt access the net through commitments/ work, and that particular week ur opponent could. Overall, or striving for a decent rank, is compromised as well, just can't understand why peoplel would think the rolling lockout is a good thing, and i'll say it for a hundreth time- the playing feild IS NOT even
mate i don't brag about winning anyway
Check my stats, I have been on ff more than anyone since I joined in April, 70 days! Well, I am likely to be watching stats all weekend and be one of the favored but this rule is stupid, insane and completely unessecary. VS can go hump a frog
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 03, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Quote from: Dudge on December 02, 2012, 11:53:39 PM
KB ,as dmac stated, do u go to work on monday, and say, " i beat u bud "because i was on the computer,and mate you could'nt. Would u really be satisfied, without the leg up (i realise, a wins a win ), but at what cost to ur consience, really mate. And if u only lost 1 or 2 games cause of it, it may mean missing the top 4 ( double chance). Wosre still, would be getting kicked out the finals, because u could'nt access the net through commitments/ work, and that particular week ur opponent could. Overall, or striving for a decent rank, is compromised as well, just can't understand why peoplel would think the rolling lockout is a good thing, and i'll say it for a hundreth time- the playing feild IS NOT even
mate i don't brag about winning anyway
KB, it was honestly not directed at u, it's the rule i hate ( i kow hates a strong word ) but it just don't feel right
Quote from: leightonio on December 02, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Yes! We have 30 of those as well so why not burn a trade to make sure you win.
And there were plenty of times that I didn't have an emergency playing on certain lines so you cant rely on emergencies every week
And guys dont just write about it amongst yourselves on here, Sign the petition, write in an email, do something to make them take notice and change it. Its an unfair rule, we all know it, even the people that it benefits who can sit by a computer all weekend know its an unfair rule so make yourself heard and lets get it over turned!
Another point I would like to make is that this doesnt only affect people that cant sit on a computer.
Lets say you can sit on a computer all weekend and you have made it to the SC grandfinal.
You lead by 20 points coming into the last game of the weekend and your opponent and you have the same 2 players remaining so therefore you cant loose! You kick your feet up, you have won the grand final... WRONG!
In an attempt to win the grandfinal he can now change one of those players to create a POD and give him a chance of winning the game. Even if you have access to a computer in case of late changes you are still defenceless to your seemingly defeated opponent pulling out a last second wild card. thats unfair.. Its complete bullshower actually
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2012, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: leightonio on December 02, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Yes! We have 30 of those as well so why not burn a trade to make sure you win.
And there were plenty of times that I didn't have an emergency playing on certain lines so you cant rely on emergencies every week
so what about people who work fridays?? and not too mention the monday games when its an extended bench till the saturday? you dont give a flower or?
Quote from: leightonio on December 03, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2012, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: leightonio on December 02, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Yes! We have 30 of those as well so why not burn a trade to make sure you win.
And there were plenty of times that I didn't have an emergency playing on certain lines so you cant rely on emergencies every week
so what about people who work fridays?? and not too mention the monday games when its an extended bench till the saturday? you dont give a flower or?
Ok well for those people that work fridays thats very unfortunate but that is a fraction of the people that cant be on friday night, saturday, saturday night, sunday, sunday night. Why make it a problem for more people?
And if there is a game on monday then we all are on the same playing field if the lockout is on friday night. No one can change it or do anything about it. How would it be fair to allow some coaches to change it though and not others?
Just realised this rule is also giving a leg up to those coaches who are on 24/7 in relation to subs. eg Subs are usually announced 1 hr before the game so if one of their on field players or emergency named as sub you have the opportunity to change. This disadvantages fans who actually attend games as without an Iphone or you are in a dead spot at the ground.
The other disadvantage going on this year if you do not have radio commentary at the home ground you only find out the subs 5 minutes before first bounce. Not enough time to change selections. So in effect being a member with 11 home games that is half the season I am disadvantaged for at least one game. Did the HS think of the fans in these decisions.
Even though I am computer most of the time over the weekends still steadfastly against rolling lockouts. Happy to continue Partial Lockouts when game is on Thursday night.
HS don't want you to go to the game because it doesn't make them any money, they want you home on your bum on your puter so they can make more money!
There will be lots of people on forums next year complaining about how they cant get on to the website to update their team as well. Its hard enough to try and get on to update your team on a Friday arvo. Imagine if GAJ was a late withdrawal how many teams would need to be updated.
People talk of using their phones to update their teams whilst at the game, but there is an issue with that as well. Say there are 20,00 people at the game and 10% of them have a fantasy team that needs to be updated 5 mins before the game. Sure your phone will show that you have reception but that is only for calls or sms's. The backbone from these mobile phone towers isnt that much, doesnt matter what carrier you are with, you will struggle to get your team updated.
The rolling lockout is the answer to people complaining about players getting the green vest or being late withdrawals. But i expect the servers to get a real bashing next year and expect alot of down time.
Quote from: leightonio on December 03, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2012, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: leightonio on December 02, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Yes! We have 30 of those as well so why not burn a trade to make sure you win.
And there were plenty of times that I didn't have an emergency playing on certain lines so you cant rely on emergencies every week
so what about people who work fridays?? and not too mention the monday games when its an extended bench till the saturday? you dont give a flower or?
Well if you work Friday then it's no different to before is it? :-\ What have i missed?
nah you haven't lol.
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 03, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: leightonio on December 03, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2012, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: leightonio on December 02, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Yes! We have 30 of those as well so why not burn a trade to make sure you win.
And there were plenty of times that I didn't have an emergency playing on certain lines so you cant rely on emergencies every week
so what about people who work fridays?? and not too mention the monday games when its an extended bench till the saturday? you dont give a flower or?
Well if you work Friday then it's no different to before is it? :-\ What have i missed?
dont work fridays just not selfish and think about others. what of it?
Quote from: leightonio on December 04, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 03, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: leightonio on December 03, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2012, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: leightonio on December 02, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
FFS if you work weekends or have commitments as everyone does anyway including me it shouldnt affect ya anyway 4 emergencies and if there is a late change is usually only for one week, what are ya gonna burn a trade? just have your side ready by friday like normal hahahhah im sorry but all of yas that dont want this rule are obviously not looking into the rule as a whole and are just jumping on the obvious negatives as i already said people work friday nights too and dont have time to finalize their team with the announcement of the sunday squads please spare a thought for them.
Yes! We have 30 of those as well so why not burn a trade to make sure you win.
And there were plenty of times that I didn't have an emergency playing on certain lines so you cant rely on emergencies every week
so what about people who work fridays?? and not too mention the monday games when its an extended bench till the saturday? you dont give a flower or?
Well if you work Friday then it's no different to before is it? :-\ What have i missed?
dont work fridays just not selfish and think about others. what of it?
What I'm trying to say is the changes from 2012 to 2013 make no difference if you still work Friday evenings. You'd have to do your trades for Friday beforehand anyway. :)
it makes it easier for those working fridays- it means even though they mightn't know the sunday/monday teams, they can still cover outs.
Thanks all for your support so far, currently on 126, please share this anyway you can, it would be a massive help. :D
Just as an aside Koop do we still register on the petition even though we do not contribute cash via paypal. You can check to see if you have me as one of the 126 to confirm. Was a bit confusing asking for money as the next step.
Quote from: Ringo on December 04, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
Just as an aside Koop do we still register on the petition even though we do not contribute cash via paypal. You can check to see if you have me as one of the 126 to confirm. Was a bit confusing asking for money as the next step.
Yeah thats something to do with the actual site, I apologize, just close that window, your signature has counted.
Thanks to all who have already signed the petition, 126 so far! Please share this anyway you can! :D
goos job Cooper Stanford ;D
Quote from: +1King on December 04, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
goos job Cooper Stanford ;D
*facepalm* who the heck are you?
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?
The more you think about this the more there is to consider.
The rule is an absolute frickin joke.
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?
The more you think about this the more there is to consider.
The rule is an absolute frickin joke.
+1
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 05, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)
Yes but to trade effectively you still really need to be able to get on to trade friday evenings, Saturday mornings, Saturday night's, Sunday days and arvos for late games in order to wait till the last moment to make your trades, or change tour emergencies at last minute to account for subs, or to use your vice-captain loophole, or swap bench players on the field. Between all these factors you really need to be on at all these times every single week to remain relevant with these rule changes. Whereas before you just had to come on friday afternoons/evenings. I work friday nights but still managed to make trades late friday arvo, usually missing the subs for that one game, but being equal with everything one else in regard to the other 8 games a round.
Quote from: dmac07 on December 06, 2012, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 05, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)
Yes but to trade effectively you still really need to be able to get on to trade friday evenings, Saturday mornings, Saturday night's, Sunday days and arvos for late games in order to wait till the last moment to make your trades, or change tour emergencies at last minute to account for subs, or to use your vice-captain loophole, or swap bench players on the field. Between all these factors you really need to be on at all these times every single week to remain relevant with these rule changes. Whereas before you just had to come on friday afternoons/evenings. I work friday nights but still managed to make trades late friday arvo, usually missing the subs for that one game, but being equal with everything one else in regard to the other 8 games a round.
There is no rule saying that if you are making a trade involving two players who play on Sunday that the trade has to be done on Sunday. ;) I'm against the rule change aswell and i signed the petition, but people are making it seem that they are now forced to log on during the weekends, which is not the case. Late withdrawls won't be much of a problem, once again i tihnk this has been talked up as a major problem way to much.
Still get rid of the rule though, the game was running fine without it. :P
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?
The more you think about this the more there is to consider.
The rule is an absolute frickin joke.
Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.
You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...
Quote from: Nails on December 06, 2012, 05:14:38 AM
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?
The more you think about this the more there is to consider.
The rule is an absolute frickin joke.
Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.
You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...
That's not how the reversible trade (Heath Shaw rule) operated in 2012. Once the first game of the weekend had commenced you could not reverse any trades even if the trade involved 2 players who were playing on the Sunday. I know because I thought you could and got nailed. I was locked into a trade that I did not wish to go through with. I could still move players around but could not reverse the trade. So assuming that the rule operates in the same way in 2013, you are best advised to delay your trade until the latest possible moment.
Here's an example:
Collingwood play Melbourne on Queens Birthday on a Monday. You plan to trade out Viney and bring in Pendlebury. And you do the trade on Friday night. Then you get to Saturday night and Selwood is a late out in the Geelong v Gold Coast game and you are facing a donut (and a loss of 110 points). You are screwed! Now consider this. Instead of making the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday you wait until the optimal moment to pull the trigger being Monday arvo. You hear that Selwood is out on Saturday night, you can now abandon your planned Viney/Pendlebury upgrade trade in favour of say a Selwood to Swan trade. You have saved yourself a donut by delaying your trade to the last possible moment.
The implication of this is that once you have decided what trades you are going to make, you must then also decide WHEN to pull the trigger, taking into account things like what are your plans for the weekend and how will they impact your ability to pull the trigger at the latest possible moment. It may well be that you have no choice but to trade on Friday because you are catching a plane to Thailand, and then you are at a disadvantage to the bloke who plans to make the same trade but can wait until Monday to do so.
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 06, 2012, 12:28:13 AM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 06, 2012, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 05, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)
Yes but to trade effectively you still really need to be able to get on to trade friday evenings, Saturday mornings, Saturday night's, Sunday days and arvos for late games in order to wait till the last moment to make your trades, or change tour emergencies at last minute to account for subs, or to use your vice-captain loophole, or swap bench players on the field. Between all these factors you really need to be on at all these times every single week to remain relevant with these rule changes. Whereas before you just had to come on friday afternoons/evenings. I work friday nights but still managed to make trades late friday arvo, usually missing the subs for that one game, but being equal with everything one else in regard to the other 8 games a round.
There is no rule saying that if you are making a trade involving two players who play on Sunday that the trade has to be done on Sunday. ;) I'm against the rule change aswell and i signed the petition, but people are making it seem that they are now forced to log on during the weekends, which is not the case. Late withdrawls won't be much of a problem, once again i tihnk this has been talked up as a major problem way to much.
Still get rid of the rule though, the game was running fine without it. :P
You are right that there is no rule compelling you to trade on the Sunday. You can indeed still trade on the Friday 2 players who are playing on Sunday. My point is that you are disadvantaging yourself by doing so. If you wait until Sunday to make the trade you are fully utilising the new rule to gain maximum value for your team and, more importantly, you are not putting yourself at a disadvantage to the bloke who delays his trade until Sunday, because he will be able to cope with late changes (by trading) while you will no longer have that option available to you.
actually, you'd be a flowering idiot to wait until sunday to make the trades. How many teams play on sunday, like 6 normally? that means you'll have 12 teams, 2/3 of the players available, locked out by sunday, limiting both the players you can trade out, and trade in, meaning if you wait until sunday you'll only be able to do about 11% of the trades you might have wanted to do throughout the week.
Has anyone seen any news on how 'Heath Shaw' rule will 'work' for rolling lock-outs?
I see some thoughts in the post chain but I haven't seen any indications from 'official' articles ...
Quote from: Ziplock on December 06, 2012, 02:19:52 PM
actually, you'd be a flowering idiot to wait until sunday to make the trades. How many teams play on sunday, like 6 normally? that means you'll have 12 teams, 2/3 of the players available, locked out by sunday, limiting both the players you can trade out, and trade in, meaning if you wait until sunday you'll only be able to do about 11% of the trades you might have wanted to do throughout the week.
The point is that if he player you plan on trading out, and the one you plan on trading in both play on Sunday, you wait utill then. If one plays sat night, one Sunday, you wait untill then. That way, if the trade you planned on making friday night won't work as one of the players pulls out, or you have a late withdrawal elsewhere you can look after that instead. This severely disadvantages those of us who lock in our trades on friday night. Even if it only disadvantages us once each 2-3 weeks, this is still 8-10 times we get screwed over. If each one costs you say 60-90 points, your pushing up to 1000 points down over the season. So your overall ranking is wrecked, and it will cost you maybe 2-3 league games, meaning your league chances may well be wrecked too.
Quote from: Speculator on December 06, 2012, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 06, 2012, 05:14:38 AM
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?
The more you think about this the more there is to consider.
The rule is an absolute frickin joke.
Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.
You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...
That's not how the reversible trade (Heath Shaw rule) operated in 2012. Once the first game of the weekend had commenced you could not reverse any trades even if the trade involved 2 players who were playing on the Sunday. I know because I thought you could and got nailed. I was locked into a trade that I did not wish to go through with. I could still move players around but could not reverse the trade. So assuming that the rule operates in the same way in 2013, you are best advised to delay your trade until the latest possible moment.
Here's an example:
Collingwood play Melbourne on Queens Birthday on a Monday. You plan to trade out Viney and bring in Pendlebury. And you do the trade on Friday night. Then you get to Saturday night and Selwood is a late out in the Geelong v Gold Coast game and you are facing a donut (and a loss of 110 points). You are screwed! Now consider this. Instead of making the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday you wait until the optimal moment to pull the trigger being Monday arvo. You hear that Selwood is out on Saturday night, you can now abandon your planned Viney/Pendlebury upgrade trade in favour of say a Selwood to Swan trade. You have saved yourself a donut by delaying your trade to the last possible moment.
The implication of this is that once you have decided what trades you are going to make, you must then also decide WHEN to pull the trigger, taking into account things like what are your plans for the weekend and how will they impact your ability to pull the trigger at the latest possible moment. It may well be that you have no choice but to trade on Friday because you are catching a plane to Thailand, and then you are at a disadvantage to the bloke who plans to make the same trade but can wait until Monday to do so.
Surely you wouldn't be able to trade Selwood out 2 days after his match has finished though, as the scores from the match would be locked in and you would have to take the 0. It is the same situation as not being able to trade on sunday to a player who has already played their match for the round.
So how many of the 200 000+ Coaches will actually get this rule right to use the advantage? Or how many will get it wrong and be disadvantaged? Stupid rule made by stupid people :P
It's quite funny though... because if i recall correctly (and I always do) there was a huge outcry for this amongst the vast majority of dreamteamers/supercoachers when it was brought in from getting stabbed in the back by late withdrawals.
Poor virtual sports. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Quote from: tbagrocks on December 07, 2012, 01:28:48 AM
So how many of the 200 000+ Coaches will actually get this rule right to use the advantage? Or how many will get it wrong and be disadvantaged? Stupid rule made by stupid people :P
Why are you calling yourself stupid?
Quote from: henry on December 06, 2012, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: Speculator on December 06, 2012, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 06, 2012, 05:14:38 AM
Quote from: Speculator on December 05, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so. In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.
So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?
The more you think about this the more there is to consider.
The rule is an absolute frickin joke.
Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.
You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...
That's not how the reversible trade (Heath Shaw rule) operated in 2012. Once the first game of the weekend had commenced you could not reverse any trades even if the trade involved 2 players who were playing on the Sunday. I know because I thought you could and got nailed. I was locked into a trade that I did not wish to go through with. I could still move players around but could not reverse the trade. So assuming that the rule operates in the same way in 2013, you are best advised to delay your trade until the latest possible moment.
Here's an example:
Collingwood play Melbourne on Queens Birthday on a Monday. You plan to trade out Viney and bring in Pendlebury. And you do the trade on Friday night. Then you get to Saturday night and Selwood is a late out in the Geelong v Gold Coast game and you are facing a donut (and a loss of 110 points). You are screwed! Now consider this. Instead of making the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday you wait until the optimal moment to pull the trigger being Monday arvo. You hear that Selwood is out on Saturday night, you can now abandon your planned Viney/Pendlebury upgrade trade in favour of say a Selwood to Swan trade. You have saved yourself a donut by delaying your trade to the last possible moment.
The implication of this is that once you have decided what trades you are going to make, you must then also decide WHEN to pull the trigger, taking into account things like what are your plans for the weekend and how will they impact your ability to pull the trigger at the latest possible moment. It may well be that you have no choice but to trade on Friday because you are catching a plane to Thailand, and then you are at a disadvantage to the bloke who plans to make the same trade but can wait until Monday to do so.
Surely you wouldn't be able to trade Selwood out 2 days after his match has finished though, as the scores from the match would be locked in and you would have to take the 0. It is the same situation as not being able to trade on sunday to a player who has already played their match for the round.
Well ofcourse you won't be able to trade Selwood out on the Monday if he played on Saturday, my point is if you delay your Viney/Pendlebury trade until the latest possible moment you would be able to avoid the Selwood late withdrawal ON SATURDAY NIGHT by trading in Swan (and abandoning your Pendlebury/Viney trade which you were planning to to on Monday), however if you had made the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday (instead of waiting until the last possible moment) you would be stuck with it, no longer with the option of changing your trade plans mid-round.
Quote from: Ziplock on December 06, 2012, 02:19:52 PM
actually, you'd be a flowering idiot to wait until sunday to make the trades. How many teams play on sunday, like 6 normally? that means you'll have 12 teams, 2/3 of the players available, locked out by sunday, limiting both the players you can trade out, and trade in, meaning if you wait until sunday you'll only be able to do about 11% of the trades you might have wanted to do throughout the week.
You would only delay the trade until the Sunday if the players you already planned to trade were both playing on Sunday. If your trade plans involve one player playing on Friday night and another bloke playing on Saturday night then you would obviously make the trade on Friday. You make your trade plans during the week like normal (from a pool consisting of all 18 teams) THEN if it turns out that 2 of those blokes are playing on Sunday, you should delay your trade until Sunday when the final teams for that game are announced. That way you ensure that you avoid trading in a player who is a late withdrawal (an occurance which has been increasing in frequency over the last few years) PLUS you also make available to yourself the option of abandoning that trade plan if another of your (earlier playing) players is a late withdrawal, say on Saturday night. In this way you are fully utilising the rule to gain the maximum possible advantage. If you trade on Friday UNNECESSARILY you take away options which would otherwise be available to you.
I think it should be trading and captains/vice captains locked friday night and you can just sub on and off on the weekends.
That way people cant use the loophole. I think most people would be happier if it were this way.
For me the new rule means im picking a F/R who wont play and putting a ruck in the forward line so i can take advantage of the loophole and swtching the team around on the weekend with DPP.
I dont like the rule but i will use it even though it will impinge on my weekend.
Quote from: Holzman on December 09, 2012, 01:00:42 AM
I think it should be trading and captains/vice captains locked friday night and you can just sub on and off on the weekends.
This this this this this!
Someone put this man on the Virtual Sports rule creation committee!!
I think that sound ok to me- just covers late withdrawals + the sub rule.
Judging by the guys on DT Talk I think it will be trades locked Friday, only Captain, VC, Emergencies and general team shift arounds will be allowed.
I am OK with this.
So nothing has really changed then?? :-\
Quote from: Scrads on December 10, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Judging by the guys on DT Talk I think it will be trades locked Friday, only Captain, VC, Emergencies and general team shift arounds will be allowed.
I am OK with this.
Scrads can you provide a link to the DT talk article which indicates this?
Quote from: Speculator on December 10, 2012, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Scrads on December 10, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Judging by the guys on DT Talk I think it will be trades locked Friday, only Captain, VC, Emergencies and general team shift arounds will be allowed.
I am OK with this.
Scrads can you provide a link to the DT talk article which indicates this?
They don't 100% say it, I am just going by the general vibe they are giving with what they say. I haven't seen any of them mention trading as part of the rolling lockout at all, they just keep mentioning the subs and emergencies and stuff.
Quote from: Scrads on December 10, 2012, 04:33:09 PM
Quote from: Speculator on December 10, 2012, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Scrads on December 10, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Judging by the guys on DT Talk I think it will be trades locked Friday, only Captain, VC, Emergencies and general team shift arounds will be allowed.
I am OK with this.
Scrads can you provide a link to the DT talk article which indicates this?
They don't 100% say it, I am just going by the general vibe they are giving with what they say. I haven't seen any of them mention trading as part of the rolling lockout at all, they just keep mentioning the subs and emergencies and stuff.
Inb4 The Castle jokes hahaha.
Quote from: Scrads on December 10, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Judging by the guys on DT Talk I think it will be trades locked Friday, only Captain, VC, Emergencies and general team shift arounds will be allowed.
I am OK with this.
yeah if thats the case i like the rule change.
I think the firday afternoon decision of trading are alot of the fun of the game and would hate to see that removed.
Quote from: Holzman on December 10, 2012, 06:48:06 PM
Quote from: Scrads on December 10, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Judging by the guys on DT Talk I think it will be trades locked Friday, only Captain, VC, Emergencies and general team shift arounds will be allowed.
I am OK with this.
yeah if thats the case i like the rule change.
I think the firday afternoon decision of trading are alot of the fun of the game and would hate to see that removed.
Agree, I would get so nervous before I clicked 'confirm trades' even the reversible trade rule kinda ruined that :-/
Haven't been vocal about it, but I'm going for the money or car in all 4 comps, so every advantage to help myself is valuable in itself.
So I like the rule.
Quote from: whatlez on December 10, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
Haven't been vocal about it, but I'm going for the money or car in all 4 comps, so every advantage to help myself is valuable in itself.
So I like the rule.
are you allowed out on public roads now? ;D
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
*yawn*
once again, it's to deal with the subbed players- I know all suckling owners would have grabbed this rule by the throat in round 20 :P
Quote from: auscoyote on December 11, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: auscoyote on December 11, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.
I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\
Quote from: elephants on December 11, 2012, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: auscoyote on December 11, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.
I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\
I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team. To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.
Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R
you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.
A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 11, 2012, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: auscoyote on December 11, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.
I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\
I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team. To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.
Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R
you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.
A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.
And thats the sad thing, for those who have commitments on weekends. Those coaches will miss out on all those interesting ideas
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 04:25:43 PM
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Quote from: auscoyote on December 11, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.
I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\
I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team. To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.
Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R
you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.
A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.
Some great points here! This could stuff things up big time! basically The everyday dream teamer is at a disadvantage because they are not going to have any idea how this stuff works or can be exploited!
Quote from: Dudge on December 11, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 11, 2012, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: Holzman on December 11, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: auscoyote on December 11, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.
flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!
towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.
I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\
I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team. To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.
Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R
you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.
A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.
And thats the sad thing, for those who have commitments on weekends. Those coaches will miss out on all those interesting ideas
Yep, commitments here. It is already 100% decided that I cannot make top 5000 odd in the rankings, or have any chance at all to win any of my leagues, so probably won't enter the cash leagues with my mates next year or take it very seriously. Will still play but my interest has dropped significantly and will probably only sign on once or twice a week compared to the 10-20 I used to.. Ive given up hope for this year but severely hope they change it back next year or I may be lost to the game forever, which is sad :(
Posted in the other thread but will also post here.
Will have no problems with the change of rules so long as the following additional stipulations are introduced as well to allow for players who are not on 24/7.
1. Captain and Vice Captainare locked on start of the Friday Night match
2. Emergencies are also locked at that time.
these 2 additions in my opinion will take away a lot of the loopholes and allow a relatively even playing field. (Will not eliminate the emergency loop hole completely)
Personally not a fan of the rolling lock out but as it will be introduced would like to see above conditions made when introduced,
So the only thing u can change during the rolling lockout would be to put an emergency in place of a player who ISNT named as C or VC...?
Sympathise with you Dmac, our money League (Dudge, myself and mates) wil probably be suspended this season coming due to so many coaches being disadvantaged by a couple of the rule changes which is kinda sad as its one of my favourite leagues and theres nothing like beating your mates and having bragging rights for twelve months, the money means little just give me the trophy and the bragging rights. Hopefully it still goes ahead with just the trophy up for grabs. I also hope the things Ringo spoke of above do occur and limit the damage for alot of coaches.
Will there be a trading lockout on fri night?
If not, this would be my major concern.Especially with league finals and the eliminator.
Quote from: Ringo on December 14, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Posted in the other thread but will also post here.
Will have no problems with the change of rules so long as the following additional stipulations are introduced as well to allow for players who are not on 24/7.
1. Captain and Vice Captainare locked on start of the Friday Night match
2. Emergencies are also locked at that time.
these 2 additions in my opinion will take away a lot of the loopholes and allow a relatively even playing field. (Will not eliminate the emergency loop hole completely)
Personally not a fan of the rolling lock out but as it will be introduced would like to see above conditions made when introduced,
You make a lot of sense here ringo.. 8)
I cant see them locking emergencies, that'd defeat the purpose of the rolling lockout- it's basically there to counter the sub vest, and if your emergencies are locked, and you find out one of your starting field is green vested, it means you'll have to play your non-first choice reserve it that makes sense.
the loopholes aren't mostly because of the emergencies though... they exist because you cna change the fielded players around, not the emergencies.
I will use myself as an example as to why I do not like rolling lock out.
Been a strong supporter of Lions (no surprises there) and with the NEAFL draw our reserves will be playing most times in the afternoon at Coorparoo prior to the Senior games. Do not have Iphone or mobile device and why should I be forced to getting something I do not need and can live with out just to control my SC team.
So when I go to reserves games at midday or earlier then I will have no option to change around my players for possibly all Saturday games. This is the reason I would like Captain, VC, emergencies and trades locked at first bounce of the Friday night game. This imo would have less of an effect overall for the competition then the loopholes.
Just trying to sort out how to even the playing field for those who can not be on 24/7 due to other commitments and having a life.
basically as has been pointed out advertising revenue is the bottom line and no one will be able to convince me otherwise.
Agreed i think zip is closer to the mark as much as id like Ringo to be correct i cant see it happening otherwise what is the point of a rolling lockout. I hope it's possible to have Cpt and VC locked in Friday nights atleast but even that is doubtful who knows we may get lucky on this front or in time we will as i can see alot of flack coming from the Cpt/Vc loophole this year towards the powers to be.
Isn't it the case that in order to take advantage of the captain loophole every week you would need to field a non-playing rookie every week?
This wasn't a problem on the few occasions there were partial lockouts in 2012 because you generally had a non-playing rookie somewhere on your lines and could use them to exploit the loophole.
But in order to exploit the loophole every week in 2013 you would need to deliberately select a rookie who you were reasonably confident would not play throughout the course of the season. As the captain loophole is most often used with midfield players (as they are the highest scoring), it would have to be a midfield rookie.
So rather than picking midfield rookies who will get games, fatten up and get downgraded to others on the bubble for cash (or upgraded to premiums), we now have a situation where coaches might deliberately pick a midfield rookie who will spend 2013 in the reserves (jeopardising their emergency cover, in part) for the sake of an extra 30-50 points a week.
Is it really worth it? Surely there's better value in an Ablett permacaptain and a playing midfield bench, with the captain loophole only resorted to if your rookies happen to miss games?
Quote from: Il_Santo on December 19, 2012, 07:14:14 PM
But in order to exploit the loophole every week in 2013 you would need to deliberately select a rookie who you were reasonably confident would not play throughout the course of the season. As the captain loophole is most often used with midfield players (as they are the highest scoring), it would have to be a midfield rookie.
So rather than picking midfield rookies who will get games, fatten up and get downgraded to others on the bubble for cash (or upgraded to premiums), we now have a situation where coaches might deliberately pick a midfield rookie who will spend 2013 in the reserves (jeopardising their emergency cover, in part) for the sake of an extra 30-50 points a week.
Wait, i don't get this part. All because your captain is always a midfielder it doesn't mean that your non-playing rookie has to be a midfielder.
E.g. If Swan my VC plays on Friday, scores 180. I can put franklin on the bench as an emergency and put my non-playing Forward rookie (Perhaps a R/F there for DPP reasons) on the field and name Franklin my emergency.
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 19, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: Il_Santo on December 19, 2012, 07:14:14 PM
But in order to exploit the loophole every week in 2013 you would need to deliberately select a rookie who you were reasonably confident would not play throughout the course of the season. As the captain loophole is most often used with midfield players (as they are the highest scoring), it would have to be a midfield rookie.
So rather than picking midfield rookies who will get games, fatten up and get downgraded to others on the bubble for cash (or upgraded to premiums), we now have a situation where coaches might deliberately pick a midfield rookie who will spend 2013 in the reserves (jeopardising their emergency cover, in part) for the sake of an extra 30-50 points a week.
Wait, i don't get this part. All because your captain is always a midfielder it doesn't mean that your non-playing rookie has to be a midfielder.
E.g. If Swan my VC plays on Friday, scores 180. I can put franklin on the bench as an emergency and put my non-playing Forward rookie (Perhaps a R/F there for DPP reasons) on the field and name Franklin my emergency.
Exactly, and you can do this every single week. I can see myself losing 500 points, or even up to a 1000 over the year by not being able to do this.
Edit - Can also do this with emergancies every week. Say you have Viney as emergency on friday night and he scores a 100 - your other bench rookie might be dropped/out that week, so you just bring him on the field for your other playing rookie, say omeara, get vineys 100.
Ah of course, doesn't need to be a mid rookie.
Well that sucks then.
Yep a non playing 4th ruck is the way to go i think. The downside though is it either means your down to 3 emg (you waste one on using the loophole) than either you dont use a emg spot on your 3rd ruck (so no ruck cover) or you dont put an emg on either your forward mid or back. So there is a potential downside.
Quote from: dmac07 on December 19, 2012, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 19, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: Il_Santo on December 19, 2012, 07:14:14 PM
But in order to exploit the loophole every week in 2013 you would need to deliberately select a rookie who you were reasonably confident would not play throughout the course of the season. As the captain loophole is most often used with midfield players (as they are the highest scoring), it would have to be a midfield rookie.
So rather than picking midfield rookies who will get games, fatten up and get downgraded to others on the bubble for cash (or upgraded to premiums), we now have a situation where coaches might deliberately pick a midfield rookie who will spend 2013 in the reserves (jeopardising their emergency cover, in part) for the sake of an extra 30-50 points a week.
Wait, i don't get this part. All because your captain is always a midfielder it doesn't mean that your non-playing rookie has to be a midfielder.
E.g. If Swan my VC plays on Friday, scores 180. I can put franklin on the bench as an emergency and put my non-playing Forward rookie (Perhaps a R/F there for DPP reasons) on the field and name Franklin my emergency.
Exactly, and you can do this every single week. I can see myself losing 500 points, or even up to a 1000 over the year by not being able to do this.
Edit - Can also do this with emergancies every week. Say you have Viney as emergency on friday night and he scores a 100 - your other bench rookie might be dropped/out that week, so you just bring him on the field for your other playing rookie, say omeara, get vineys 100.
Say you use this on Swan who gets 180 so you don't captain GAJ who gets 130
That's 50 points...
That's only going to happen once every 5 weeks you might use the loophole for captaincy and you'd likely gain 20-25 points...
Not going to cost you more than 400 points at worst, unlikely the 1000 you're making it out to be.
You also have to remember it can backfire... someone who might usually captain GAJ might be happy w/ his 125 then Swan gets 180 on a Saturday :o
It's not a guarantee of better points.
Quote from: Nails on December 21, 2012, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 19, 2012, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: SilkySkills on December 19, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: Il_Santo on December 19, 2012, 07:14:14 PM
But in order to exploit the loophole every week in 2013 you would need to deliberately select a rookie who you were reasonably confident would not play throughout the course of the season. As the captain loophole is most often used with midfield players (as they are the highest scoring), it would have to be a midfield rookie.
So rather than picking midfield rookies who will get games, fatten up and get downgraded to others on the bubble for cash (or upgraded to premiums), we now have a situation where coaches might deliberately pick a midfield rookie who will spend 2013 in the reserves (jeopardising their emergency cover, in part) for the sake of an extra 30-50 points a week.
Wait, i don't get this part. All because your captain is always a midfielder it doesn't mean that your non-playing rookie has to be a midfielder.
E.g. If Swan my VC plays on Friday, scores 180. I can put franklin on the bench as an emergency and put my non-playing Forward rookie (Perhaps a R/F there for DPP reasons) on the field and name Franklin my emergency.
Exactly, and you can do this every single week. I can see myself losing 500 points, or even up to a 1000 over the year by not being able to do this.
Edit - Can also do this with emergancies every week. Say you have Viney as emergency on friday night and he scores a 100 - your other bench rookie might be dropped/out that week, so you just bring him on the field for your other playing rookie, say omeara, get vineys 100.
Say you use this on Swan who gets 180 so you don't captain GAJ who gets 130
That's 50 points...
That's only going to happen once every 5 weeks you might use the loophole for captaincy and you'd likely gain 20-25 points...
Not going to cost you more than 400 points at worst, unlikely the 1000 you're making it out to be.
You also have to remember it can backfire... someone who might usually captain GAJ might be happy w/ his 125 then Swan gets 180 on a Saturday :o
It's not a guarantee of better points.
Yes but say you captain swan and he gets injured just once for the year early and you cant change him to gaj, costs you 150. And regularly the difference between the two could be 80 points (180 vs 100) so could cost you more then 25. Or with the emergency situation, Viney gets the 100 on friday, then omeara gets named the sub and you cant changed, he gets a 20, another 80. The emergency situation especially could happen every second week and cost you, say conservatively, 45 points, theres another 500-600 points gone.
This may have already been posted, sorry if that is the case. As you are probably aware there will be rolling lockouts every round of the 2013 season, this will obviously make life harder for those who work weekends, who have families, or just have other shower to do.
There is a petition to eradicate rolling lockouts this year and if you are against it (like I am) then please sign to try to get this stupid rule overturned.
Here is the link:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/eradicate-rolling-lockout-from-dt-2013/
lol only about 13 pages of discussion here
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,69713.0.html
Lol yeah, and i''l still coment, as the most online ff mamber, seriously, in about 8 months I have almost 90 days logged on!
I dislike this rule completely and although I might be favored ( unless i'm playing saturday afternoon basketball) it really is the stupidest thing they could have done! Thursday teams was fascinating along with friday lockout!
Yeh weve had that up, signed it but as i see it you cant get it up there enough so probably worth a reminder. The rule is a turkey.
oops... only 140 signatures so far. Would have to be many many more if VS are to take it seriously
Quote from: Freddy on January 09, 2013, 02:28:18 AM
oops... only 140 signatures so far. Would have to be many many more if VS are to take it seriously
VS can take their virtual Dean Cox and shove it in their virtual Sidebottom! ;) :o :P 8)
Oh yeah, cheer for that!!
I'm not big on DT talk as I live ff, but the ratio there is aboit 5/14 for a no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Seriously wtf are the imbisiles thinking? Worst thing they could ever do!
Surely the Captain will be locked at partial lockout? Simply cannot allow that advantage all year
I Will just have Walker as VC every game ;D
hey if you combine it with reducing the trades to 24 i would sign it.But this rolling lockout will be an advantage to a guy like me, even though i agree that it shouldnt be there.But i aint signing against something thats to my advantage,while thousands of nuffnuffs,who put in little effort,will be advantaged by 30 trades & by round 16 when theyve used them all im gonna be 4 games behind them in my league with 12 trades left trying to play it smart & looking like a dick.
NO ROLLING LOCKOUT & REDUCE THE TRADES-PUT A LITTLE SKILL & REWARD FOR EFFORT BACK INTO THE COMP
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 09, 2013, 02:52:48 AM
I'm not big on DT talk as I live ff, but the ratio there is aboit 5/14 for a no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Seriously wtf are the imbisiles thinking? Worst thing they could ever do!
Surely the Captain will be locked at partial lockout? Simply cannot allow that advantage all year
I Will just have Walker as VC every game ;D
Are you saying that only 5 out of 14 DT Talk writers were against the rolling lockout? If so I'm staggered by that.
I think what he's trying to say is out of every 19 coaches 5 dont mind it and 14 dont want it.
The pole has had 2114 people vote, 1496 (71%) dont want it and 618 (21%) support it.
flower I didn't really think of that. if were playing footy satdy and there is any late outs I'm going to have to come of the filed mad change my team haha
Can't believe all the whinging going on about rule changes this year. FFS people, it's a free game. If anything the rule changes make it more challenging because we have to change our strategy every year. No one on earth is so pathetic that they will be standing by their computer checking late outs and updating their SC team all weekend, so relax a bit everyone. If you want to eradicate something put your time towards something important like third world poverty or saving the amazon.
Quote from: tom_scully on January 10, 2013, 03:52:42 PM
Can't believe all the whinging going on about rule changes this year. FFS people, it's a free game. If anything the rule changes make it more challenging because we have to change our strategy every year. No one on earth is so pathetic that they will be standing by their computer checking late outs and updating their SC team all weekend, so relax a bit everyone. If you want to eradicate something put your time towards something important like third world poverty or saving the amazon.
let me be the first to assure you that your wrong,i am pathetic,from sunday night to friday afternoon i barhop & flower bargirls in angeles city philippines,i stop briefly on tuesdays to check the injury lists,then on thursday afternoons at 4pm(philippines time)to get the teams,then from 2pm on friday i am not to be disturbed till sunday afternoon 5pm,as aside from a 6am saturday trip to the gym & a 10am trip to the hypermarket at the plaza to do some shopping on saturday im either watching the live games or logging into dt sc & sportal afl fantasy-so sorry but i am pathetic
Ling lockout is goooonnnnneee and 2 trades per week are in ::)
And rolling lockout is goooonnnneeee
ROLLING LOCKOUT IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET THE CELEBRATIONS BEGIN!!!!! ;D ;D
I would say there never was a rolling lockout for DreamTeam and people just assumed the SuperCoach article was boung for DT as well, also guessing there never was 30 trades and that was only ever SC
So teh 2 games have different rules now? Surely not....
Yeah unfortunatelly the game has been made for hacks, really pathetic and cowardly of them
Dayne Beams became an elite fantasty football scorer in 2012
AFL FANTASY coaches will be allowed to make two trades a week, every round this season.
The change gives coaches a maximum of 46 trades, up from 24 in 2012.
However, with trades still limited to two per round, they cannot be saved up for later use.
The increased number of trades is one of several changes to the AFL's official fantasy game.
The field structure has also been altered, with gameday squads now featuring six defenders, eight midfielders, two ruckmen and six forwards.
In previous seasons it has been seven-six-two-seven.
And coaches will also be allowed to set four emergencies each round, up from three in past seasons.
This gives teams the ability to cover for late changes on every line â€" backs, midfield, rucks and forwards â€" for the first time in the game's history.
By popular demand, the green dot has been reinstated, giving coaches an easy snapshot of the ins and outs for their team every Thursday night.
Unlike its major competitor, AFL Fantasy will not introduce a rolling lockout, with teams to be locked at the bounce of the first game of each round.
This allows coaches the freedom to set their team for the weekend without having to worry about checking back before every match for late changes.
It makes AFL Fantasy the game for those who want to have a life beyond fantasy football.
As has already be announced, there will be a change in scoring during the bye rounds, with only the 18 best scores across each coach's squad to count.
And AFL Fantasy will continue with the same, easy to understand scoring system, which makes it easier for coaches to follow the progress of their players during matches.
An announcement on new game formats will be made in the coming weeks.
No rolling lockout is great news, unlimited trades is not. >:(
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
44 trades mate lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 11, 2013, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
44 trades mate lol
haha yeh my bad 44 trades. Me math i good. :-[
Edit Hey hang on a minute, 23 rounds at 2 per round is 46, phew im not as dumb as i look. :P
Edit Bugger i am as dumb as i look.
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
I was getting used to the idea of rolling lockout, but the 44 trades just bring everyone back to the field too much
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 11, 2013, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
44 trades mate lol
haha yeh my bad 44 trades. Me math i good. :-[
Edit Hey hang on a minute, 23 rounds at 2 per round is 46, phew im not as dumb as i look. :P
Nice maths, wrong logic. It's unlimited trades heading into Rd 1. ;) So after your initial team there's 22 rounds left, thus 44 trades. :P
Quote from: SydneyRox on January 11, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
I was getting used to the idea of rolling lockout, but the 44 trades just bring everyone back to the field too much
Same here Syd, i was looking at it as another challenge a big one but 44 trades just makes it to simple, no real challenge now.
Im wondering how many teams will look alike now come the Grandfinal. No more worries regarding injury prone players as you can just toss them the following week, no need to stress about getting rookies right round 1 as you can punt your mistakes the following week and lose nothing. Gotta say it SC is looking the better game now. :(
Quote from: SilkySkills on January 11, 2013, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 11, 2013, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 11, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
Unlimited trades are you kidding me. Wheres the challenge in that. Think id prefer a rolling lockout than 46 trades. :(
44 trades mate lol
haha yeh my bad 44 trades. Me math i good. :-[
Edit Hey hang on a minute, 23 rounds at 2 per round is 46, phew im not as dumb as i look. :P
Nice maths, wrong logic. It's unlimited trades heading into Rd 1. ;) So after your initial team there's 22 rounds left, thus 44 trades. :P
Damn it i am as dumb as i look. :o