Hey FF coaches, just wanted to ask something about tanking (disregarding) a bye round this year.
Did anyone do reasonably well in DT 2012 and not put any consideration into which players had what byes?
With a majority of the good mids having the round 13 bye this year, I'm not sure whether I should try plan around this so I can have enough players on the field, or just pick the best of the best and hopefully make up the points by having the better players.
Do you think disregarding the round 13 bye and trying to fit say Swan/Beams and Murphy into the team instead of Cotchin and Redden will make up enough points to make up for eating donuts in round 13?
Closer to the date I'll have a look. Really avent looked into it too much this year so far..
Yeah fair enough.
But did anyone disregard the byes last season and still finish reasonably high?
Managed to improve rank over the 3 bye rounds but was more due to luck or others bad luck. I'll be setting up at this stage for a bad one in rnd 13 and hopefully go ok in 11 and 12 offsetting what may happen in rnd 13 rank wise.
Last year i planned for the byes in setting up with no more than 2 out in each line, alot of the work came from rnds 3-10 in trying to achieve this. LTI's and form were other issues that came up to spoil the work around the byes but compared to alot i was in pretty good shape still. Having a plan B and a plan C is an advantage and by that i mean be prepared to be flexible and change tact should something unforseen crop up.
I try to keep my side reasonably balanced but I'm not going to do it at the expense of picking the best available players. My argument against say, picking Redden ahead of Beams purely because of the bye, is that by the time Round 13 rolls around Beams would have outscored Redden by 150 odd points (based on last year's averages) so it would be better to pick Beams from the start and take the donut in Round 13.
Some comparisons are a bit closer, such as Beams vs Cotchin (67 points) but this talk I'm hearing about people not picking Swan just because of his bye is lunacy. I mean c'mon, why would you leave a perma-captain out of your side just so you can score a little bit more in one round?
I went from 19k to 7k during the byes and averaged 1689, I think from memory the best 3 round average I saw at FF was around the mid 1700's so unless they change the format everyone will cop some bad scores. At the moment I have an 8/5/8 split with the premiums being 6/2/6. I'd be willing to live with something like 11/8/11 once the rookies are announced. A few rounds before the byes I'll have a look at what I can do to lessen the impact but I'm not going to waste too much energy on it.
that's pretty good Mr Craig going up by that amount averaging in the 1600's!
I'm just trying to figure out what I should do... Just pick the best team I can and hope for the best during byes or trying to keep it more balanced...
The thing I'm worried about is even if I pick a balanced team, if I try to upgrade any players before the byes it will just undo the work I've done to keep it balanced already!
For me Round 12 was the problem this season, I had a bunch of Collingwood and Essendon players out and the only option was to trade to Round 11's which in most cases I wasn't willing to do.
Now with Round 13 looming as the worst next year we'll have more flexibilty to trade out of donuts so I don't think it's as risky to have a 13 leaning team. Still, it's always a balancing act. Lean too far and you might fall over. :-\
Tank the byes. Don't waste trades. Do well in finals but make sure you get there. You will do well if you structure a team that does well during the NON bye rounds.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 07, 2012, 03:37:38 PM
Tank the byes. Don't waste trades. Do well in finals but make sure you get there. You will do well if you structure a team that does well during the NON bye rounds.
yeah that's a good point, but what about going for overall? I kinda wanted to improve on my overall ranking from this year (which was just inside 20K i think).
Well i panicked about the byes last season, and tried to do all the right things and have a balance through them. It did sort of make me pick some players i would normally not have, but they were still prems, just not the prems i normally would of gone for. What hurt a lot of people, or me anyway, was the unforseen injuries ( to my team ) and a few resting i couldn't of planned for during the byes. Anyway went into the byes ranked 2063, and got spat out the other end of them ranked 4058. I averaged 1537 in those rounds. This year i'm going to keep an eye on them, but i think i'll pick the players from the start I want, and go from there. Not going to let it do my head in again lol
First off, at the start of the season I picked all the players I wanted making no allowances for byes at all. Was ranked 1400 something at start of bye rounds, and ranked 811 after round 13. I made all the trades I was allowed during the bye weeks to avoid goose-eggs and ended up only having three goose-eggs in round 13 and none in rounds 11 and 12. I made the grand finals in two of my three leagues which were ranked in top 100. Could have done better if I hadn't run out of trades, but overall I was happy with the year. Will use the same approach this year but just be a tiny bit stingier with bye-related trades. There's always going to be a certain amount of luck involved in the whole thing, no matter what you do, so all I did was try to have the strongest team I could field at the start of the year, and hang in there as best I could.
I didn't allow for the byes at all and just wanted to have the best team I could by the end of year. I won all 3 of the byes in my league matches while finishing 3,226 overall.
Quote from: ronl on November 07, 2012, 07:52:47 PM
First off, at the start of the season I picked all the players I wanted making no allowances for byes at all. Was ranked 1400 something at start of bye rounds, and ranked 811 after round 13. I made all the trades I was allowed during the bye weeks to avoid goose-eggs and ended up only having three goose-eggs in round 13 and none in rounds 11 and 12. I made the grand finals in two of my three leagues which were ranked in top 100. Could have done better if I hadn't run out of trades, but overall I was happy with the year. Will use the same approach this year but just be a tiny bit stingier with bye-related trades. There's always going to be a certain amount of luck involved in the whole thing, no matter what you do, so all I did was try to have the strongest team I could field at the start of the year, and hang in there as best I could.
Quote from: Barra on November 07, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
I didn't allow for the byes at all and just wanted to have the best team I could by the end of year. I won all 3 of the byes in my league matches while finishing 3,226 overall.
thanks guys, that's what i really wanted to know! cheers for both of you! :)
Yeah I hardly did the bye's justice and still won all three league games (was only in one league), though I did trade nicely through the bye's no real planning went in as I say it all being a lottery anyway.
I tanked round 11 bye wasn`t planned until closer to the byes tho (all the injuries and suspensions didn`t help)
I figured by tanking this round with my GWS rookies I had It not only gave them a couple of extra games to go up in price it also meant I had cover for the rest of the bye rounds barring injuries and suspensions and those that had an extra week off.Round 12 I had 3 donuts.By round 13 I only had 2 donuts still scored low with all my rookies on field but won my league games.
This was in SC but still relevant....
I was ranked 9th overall in round 10. Had planned quite well (or so I thought) for the byes, was looking at having 2-3 0's each round ;D
But injuries, suspensions etc led to it all going downhill pretty bad. I dropped to around 160th by rd 13, which doesn't seem too bad, but was definitely enough to knock me out of contention :'(
It's always going to take a lot of luck and you will have to make some picks you wouldn't normally to get through the byes unscathed!
Think i'm going to just let i ride this year and see what happens! :o
Quote from: SOS#1 on November 09, 2012, 09:54:48 AM
This was in SC but still relevant....
I was ranked 9th overall in round 10. Had planned quite well (or so I thought) for the byes, was looking at having 2-3 0's each round ;D
But injuries, suspensions etc led to it all going downhill pretty bad. I dropped to around 160th by rd 13, which doesn't seem too bad, but was definitely enough to knock me out of contention :'(
It's always going to take a lot of luck and you will have to make some picks you wouldn't normally to get through the byes unscathed!
Think i'm going to just let i ride this year and see what happens! :o
thanks for that input mate, that's what I wanted to hear!
general consensus so far is that just picking the best possible team turned out to be better than trying to pick your team around the byes.
i tried to build my team around the byes this year and it worked for the first 2 bye rounds but then R13 hit me hard and i think i only ended up with 8 guys scoring points due to injuries and players getting rested over the bye period.
I think my R13 score was something like 1000 which hurt
Heard a rumor VC may be implementing a new rule for 18 best scoring players all over the ground to be counted for the score over the bye's. Could make it a heck of a lot easier, but then more strategy needed to make sure the trades used each week allow for the strongest 18 possible to score each week.
After the draft I've ended up with 14/10/6 so I'll probably have to make a couple of changes just to even things up a little.
I just get stuffed during the byes ;)
Thats why am an average dream teamer
According to FF, all 6 of my starting mids are Rnd 13.
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Its a fine line we tread with the byes, set yourself up perfectly for the byes from round one you tend to fall behind the leaders rank
wise quickly. If we pick the team we just want the byes can crush any hope of that #1 rank for the rest of the year. The key is
finding the ballance between the two scenarios and using the 10 games leading up to the byes to put your team in a good position
to average a decent score across the 3 byes that will maintain or improve your rank. This may mean you need to be aggresive
trading in those first ten games or realistically from round 5 to round 11 as you need to give your rookies or b graders time to
earn you a dollar so you can upgrade a player/players to Guns. Money makes this thing tick over after all. In saying that you also
need to leave yourself enough trades for the run home from round 14 onwards where we are busy trying to obtain the best we
can on every line filling up our teams. Its not easy Fantasy Footy and the byes have made it all the harder but the challenge is
where the fun and heartbreak lies. Theres no reward without risk and thats why i love it, the ecstacy and the agony. Find the
ballance between the two scenarios and have a good dose of luck, make all the right moves and decisions or atleast keep the
mistakes to a mininum your in with a shot or at the very least earn yourself a decent rank for the year. Its alot easier to win the GF
in your league than rank well and i enjoy the challenge of ranking well rather than winning GF's so to those out there that will be
chasing rank in 2013 i wish you all the best and a healthy dose of luck cause we all need luck no matter how good or bad we think
we are.
Quote from: Grazz on November 25, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Its a fine line we tread with the byes, set yourself up perfectly for the byes from round one you tend to fall behind the leaders rank
wise quickly. If we pick the team we just want the byes can crush any hope of that #1 rank for the rest of the year. The key is
finding the ballance between the two scenarios and using the 10 games leading up to the byes to put your team in a good position
to average a decent score across the 3 byes that will maintain or improve your rank. This may mean you need to be aggresive
trading in those first ten games or realistically from round 5 to round 11 as you need to give your rookies or b graders time to
earn you a dollar so you can upgrade a player/players to Guns. Money makes this thing tick over after all. In saying that you also
need to leave yourself enough trades for the run home from round 14 onwards where we are busy trying to obtain the best we
can on every line filling up our teams. Its not easy Fantasy Footy and the byes have made it all the harder but the challenge is
where the fun and heartbreak lies. Theres no reward without risk and thats why i love it, the ecstacy and the agony. Find the
ballance between the two scenarios and have a good dose of luck, make all the right moves and decisions or atleast keep the
mistakes to a mininum your in with a shot or at the very least earn yourself a decent rank for the year. Its alot easier to win the GF
in your league than rank well and i enjoy the challenge of ranking well rather than winning GF's so to those out there that will be
chasing rank in 2013 i wish you all the best and a healthy dose of luck cause we all need luck no matter how good or bad we think
we are.
I just picked the team I wanted, and it had close to a perfect structure, 9/10/11 for 11/12/13 :P
Quote from: Ziplock on November 25, 2012, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: Grazz on November 25, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Its a fine line we tread with the byes, set yourself up perfectly for the byes from round one you tend to fall behind the leaders rank
wise quickly. If we pick the team we just want the byes can crush any hope of that #1 rank for the rest of the year. The key is
finding the ballance between the two scenarios and using the 10 games leading up to the byes to put your team in a good position
to average a decent score across the 3 byes that will maintain or improve your rank. This may mean you need to be aggresive
trading in those first ten games or realistically from round 5 to round 11 as you need to give your rookies or b graders time to
earn you a dollar so you can upgrade a player/players to Guns. Money makes this thing tick over after all. In saying that you also
need to leave yourself enough trades for the run home from round 14 onwards where we are busy trying to obtain the best we
can on every line filling up our teams. Its not easy Fantasy Footy and the byes have made it all the harder but the challenge is
where the fun and heartbreak lies. Theres no reward without risk and thats why i love it, the ecstacy and the agony. Find the
ballance between the two scenarios and have a good dose of luck, make all the right moves and decisions or atleast keep the
mistakes to a mininum your in with a shot or at the very least earn yourself a decent rank for the year. Its alot easier to win the GF
in your league than rank well and i enjoy the challenge of ranking well rather than winning GF's so to those out there that will be
chasing rank in 2013 i wish you all the best and a healthy dose of luck cause we all need luck no matter how good or bad we think
we are.
I just picked the team I wanted, and it had close to a perfect structure, 9/10/11 for 11/12/13 :P
Youve done very well then zip congrats, the proof will be in the result. Hope i can do the same.
we're still like 3 months from open though-I'm pretty happy with it atm...got both swanny and ablett in :P only field 1 rookie :P
Quote from: Ziplock on November 25, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
we're still like 3 months from open though-I'm pretty happy with it atm...got both swanny and ablett in :P only field 1 rookie :P
Only one rookie, hmmm. Stick with Science mate fantasy footy isnt your thing.lol. :P
mmm, we'll see grazz- without gws and gc this could be year of the rookies.
Since it's november, I dont have any major qualms about posting my team :P
nov24 Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by Zarts. Salary cap left: $82,900.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Pearce Hanley, Hamish Hartlett, Greg Broughton, Cameron Pedersen, Jasper Pittard
Brent Staker, Joshua Toy
Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Andrew Gaff, Luke Ball, Andrew Embley, Jaeger O'Meara
Nathan Hrovat, Jack Viney
Todd Goldstein, Matthew Leuenberger
Majak Daw, Jarrod Witts
Lance Franklin, Jimmy Bartel, Tom Rockliff, Dustin Martin, Nathan Bock, Mark LeCras, Mark Nicoski
Travis Varcoe, Daniel Menzel
9/11/10
as you can see, positionally it's not super balance, but I think with dpp I might be ok. No insane left field choices there, pedo and gaff are probably the most. The two best mids round it off- potentially 17 keepers.
DT isn't fun without a bit of risk :P
toys more of a place holder atm.
if you're gunning for overall, you cant really ignore the byes :/
Hopefully they'll see some common sense and have the league bye rounds during this period.
Lets hopeeee soo..
Last season l did plan for the bye rounds but through injury, suspension and "resting" my plans went totally out the window.
At the start of the byes l was ranked 1532 and by the end of them l was 2878 ouch!!
l ended the year with a rank of 953 overall, so it makes me wonder how things might have gone if not for the carnage of rnds 11, 12 & 13
One thing thats worth keeping in mind is that with only our 18 top scorers counting this year during the byes it'll lessen the pain alot
Quote from: nostradamus on January 05, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
Last season l did plan for the bye rounds but through injury, suspension and "resting" my plans went totally out the window.
At the start of the byes l was ranked 1532 and by the end of them l was 2878 ouch!!
l ended the year with a rank of 953 overall, so it makes me wonder how things might have gone if not for the carnage of rnds 11, 12 & 13
One thing thats worth keeping in mind is that with only our 18 top scorers counting this year during the byes it'll lessen the pain alot
should be a lot easier to manage with only 18 to field. Same happened to me losing waters, pendles, scotland, plus a vouple more took me from 90th to around 500th.
Think if you can keep a even mix before bye rounds, with the extra trades you can trade hard with sideways and come out ranking higher if you plan right.
Quote from: owenbond007 on January 05, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: nostradamus on January 05, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
Last season l did plan for the bye rounds but through injury, suspension and "resting" my plans went totally out the window.
At the start of the byes l was ranked 1532 and by the end of them l was 2878 ouch!!
l ended the year with a rank of 953 overall, so it makes me wonder how things might have gone if not for the carnage of rnds 11, 12 & 13
One thing thats worth keeping in mind is that with only our 18 top scorers counting this year during the byes it'll lessen the pain alot
should be a lot easier to manage with only 18 to field. Same happened to me losing waters, pendles, scotland, plus a vouple more took me from 90th to around 500th.
Think if you can keep a even mix before bye rounds, with the extra trades you can trade hard with sideways and come out ranking higher if you plan right.
totally agree......but l wont be doing the sideways stuff unless l have plenty of trades up my sleeve (which we all should have with getting 30 this year), beacause l really want to have some trades left come finals time. This will be my 3rd fantasy season and l havent had any left for finals yet, so its a strong focus for me this time