As good as he has been to me this season I am not sure on picking him next season due to the fact that his price will be through the roof and I can't really see him making any improvement on his incredible average of 133.55. But I also fear that if I don't pick him and I'm playing against someone who has he will get 150+ points and cost me a game so what I am asking you is will he be worth his huge price tag?
Yes he is worth the price tag.
But I never start the season with him I will usually upgrade someone to him simply because of his price.
You have to be lucky tho to get him in at a cheaper price.
Quote from: LF on September 02, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Yes he is worth the price tag.
But I never start the season with him I will usually upgrade someone to him simply because of his price.
You have to be lucky tho to get him in at a cheaper price.
That's what I did this year I started with Pendlebury instead.
For the last 3 years i've started with him and never looked back, but in 2013 im also considering not starting with him.
He is going to be priced around 650k to start and there definitely will be a time that he drops below 600k, which is when I plan to bring him in.
I'll likely start with Ablett, Cotchin, pendles/boyd/murphy.
I'll build the rest of my team and then see if I can fit him in. It's unlikely that I'll be able to afford him though.
I'm going VERY unique next year, and judging by the people above who have said they will not start with him, I'll find a way to fit him in. Why? He is very likely to be the highest scorer after the first few weeks, and I will gain points on those that do not have him. He is unparalleled in his ability to pick up cheap one-twos no matter who he's playing, and unlike the other premiums such as Cotchin, Watson, Pendles he does not get tagged. He also has a ridiculous ceiling.
Lock him in.
Id rather play an extra rookie in the fwd or backs (to afford swan) and only get 60odd points than miss out on Swans 140-180 scores
Quote from: whatlez on September 02, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
Lock him in.
He's my first picked every season! I base my team around him!!
What will he be worth? 650k?
Lock him and GAJ in.
Start every year with Ablett and Swan. Cant see how you can afford not to tbh. With those two in the Mids im still able to build a decent side around them. May have to start with an extra rookie but they top up that score and the extra rookie is quickly upgraded. Helps with Rank having them early days. Lots of ways to skin a cat though but this works for me and the comfort have having your cpt/cpt's locked and loaded for the year is comforting haha so to speak. Locked and loaded 2013.
same as I did this year, when he drops, pick him up
1st rule of fight club........ Pick Dane Swan!!! Will cost me all my Grand Finals not having him. Have to squeeze him in somewhere.
No, Im starting with GAj, Pendles and Cotch
The thing is, even at 650k, he is unlikely to drop that much in price. This year from his starting price of 600k, he only went down to 565k by Round 4 (too early to trade him in with cash from rookies), and the next price drop was down to 573k in Round 13, but by then you've missed out on so much scoring that it's not funny. The reality is that missing out on 20 points a week (comparing him to another top 6 premium) does hurt your team a lot, especially since that turns into 40 points due to the Captain score.
I'm personally going to have GAJ and Swan in from that start, and that way whoever is smashing it early, I know I'll be able to captain them. It's more worth it to take risks in the forward/backline, IMO.
Starting with Swan again.
Then just sit back all year and get all his scores.....And listen to everyone without him talking themselves up about "how it was a good idea to get him 30 k cheaper or something.' :P
Quote from: Possumo on September 02, 2012, 07:02:53 PM
The thing is, even at 650k, he is unlikely to drop that much in price. This year from his starting price of 600k, he only went down to 565k by Round 4 (too early to trade him in with cash from rookies), and the next price drop was down to 573k in Round 13, but by then you've missed out on so much scoring that it's not funny. The reality is that missing out on 20 points a week (comparing him to another top 6 premium) does hurt your team a lot, especially since that turns into 40 points due to the Captain score.
I'm personally going to have GAJ and Swan in from that start, and that way whoever is smashing it early, I know I'll be able to captain them. It's more worth it to take risks in the forward/backline, IMO.
good way of looking at it!
i reckon i'll be starting Ablett, Swan, Cotch, A. Swallow... Reckon it'll be worth it in the end
Actually I change my mind...
Swan, GAJ, Beams, Cotchin at this stage for me.
Pendles, Jobe and Lids outside chances of starting..
I'm thinking all you would have to do to fit Swan in is just trim the fat elsewhere.
He'll be my number one picked again. Best player in DT history. I'm thinking Swan, GAJ, Cotchin as my three gun mids.
He's my number one pick every year!
Quote from: Toga on September 02, 2012, 07:15:13 PM
Quote from: Possumo on September 02, 2012, 07:02:53 PM
The thing is, even at 650k, he is unlikely to drop that much in price. This year from his starting price of 600k, he only went down to 565k by Round 4 (too early to trade him in with cash from rookies), and the next price drop was down to 573k in Round 13, but by then you've missed out on so much scoring that it's not funny. The reality is that missing out on 20 points a week (comparing him to another top 6 premium) does hurt your team a lot, especially since that turns into 40 points due to the Captain score.
I'm personally going to have GAJ and Swan in from that start, and that way whoever is smashing it early, I know I'll be able to captain them. It's more worth it to take risks in the forward/backline, IMO.
good way of looking at it!
i reckon i'll be starting Ablett, Swan, Cotch, A. Swallow... Reckon it'll be worth it in the end
Great info there, nice stats and it sounds right to me. Looking at it that way, it really seems worth it. :)
Probably will get Swanny, but if I need to free up a little cash, I MIGHT get someone instead :-\
Still quite unsure, but he's gonna be MEGA. Have a looong time to decide though :)
It's gonna be this year all over again....
To start with Swan or not...
I won't be starting Swan or GAJ next year, though I started both of them this year and have started Swan in all of the last three seasons. I'll save a fair bit of cash and get younger premiums who are still improving like Pendlebury and Cotchin. I know the idea of Swan having a bad year seems ridiculous, but if that does happen, at his price it will really screw up the DT season of anyone who picks him.
Quote from: DT87 on September 03, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
I won't be starting Swan or GAJ next year, though I started both of them this year and have started Swan in all of the last three seasons. I'll save a fair bit of cash and get younger premiums who are still improving like Pendlebury and Cotchin. I know the idea of Swan having a bad year seems ridiculous, but if that does happen, at his price it will really screw up the DT season of anyone who picks him.
True you might find players who are better value... but the reality is, because of the captain system, every extra point you get from having him over another top mid is of course doubled, so over the season even if Swan only average's 10 more points than the next best player (eg GAJ or perhaps Cotchin), over the season that'll be 20. That's why him and GAJ are worth the premium in price, because you need that dominant captain choice every week or you'll be immediately behind.
I personally haven't every started with Swan in the last 3 seasons, and I've seen how that has hurt my team week in week out. No way I'm going to miss out next year, I'll just look for more value in other positions, but I think the biggest risk is not starting with that top scoring player.
Lots of good rookies this year and with no GWS or GC its the time to go gun rookie.
Viney, OMeara, Crouch, Daniher etc.. will all be super cheap im planning on going a very expensive midfield
with Swan, Ablett, and 2 out of Cotchin, Pendels, Murphy.
Quote from: Holzman on September 03, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Lots of good rookies this year and with no GWS or GC its the time to go gun rookie.
Viney, OMeara, Crouch, Daniher etc.. will all be super cheap im planning on going a very expensive midfield
with Swan, Ablett, and 2 out of Cotchin, Pendels, Murphy.
Tempted to do the same Holz in the mids, will have to see if i can make it work but thats the plan.
Quote from: Grazz on September 03, 2012, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 03, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Lots of good rookies this year and with no GWS or GC its the time to go gun rookie.
Viney, OMeara, Crouch, Daniher etc.. will all be super cheap im planning on going a very expensive midfield
with Swan, Ablett, and 2 out of Cotchin, Pendels, Murphy.
Tempted to do the same Holz in the mids, will have to see if i can make it work but thats the plan.
Will all the rookies be guarenteed regular games though. I was thinking of going the other way and going with more of a mid-price team even in the midfield. I think this thread has changed my thinking in regards to picking Swan. Might pick Swan & Gaz as well as three smokies that I've been thinking about :)
Quote from: POK252 on September 03, 2012, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Grazz on September 03, 2012, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 03, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Lots of good rookies this year and with no GWS or GC its the time to go gun rookie.
Viney, OMeara, Crouch, Daniher etc.. will all be super cheap im planning on going a very expensive midfield
with Swan, Ablett, and 2 out of Cotchin, Pendels, Murphy.
Tempted to do the same Holz in the mids, will have to see if i can make it work but thats the plan.
Will all the rookies be guarenteed regular games though. I was thinking of going the other way and going with more of a mid-price team even in the midfield. I think this thread has changed my thinking in regards to picking Swan. Might pick Swan & Gaz as well as three smokies that I've been thinking about :)
There is alot of water to go under the bridge before we get going again, pre season and Nab will dictate which way i decide to go.
Not having him OR Ablett killed me this year.
Lockity lock.
Quote from: Possumo on September 03, 2012, 05:33:26 AM
Quote from: DT87 on September 03, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
I won't be starting Swan or GAJ next year, though I started both of them this year and have started Swan in all of the last three seasons. I'll save a fair bit of cash and get younger premiums who are still improving like Pendlebury and Cotchin. I know the idea of Swan having a bad year seems ridiculous, but if that does happen, at his price it will really screw up the DT season of anyone who picks him.
True you might find players who are better value... but the reality is, because of the captain system, every extra point you get from having him over another top mid is of course doubled, so over the season even if Swan only average's 10 more points than the next best player (eg GAJ or perhaps Cotchin), over the season that'll be 20. That's why him and GAJ are worth the premium in price, because you need that dominant captain choice every week or you'll be immediately behind.
I personally haven't every started with Swan in the last 3 seasons, and I've seen how that has hurt my team week in week out. No way I'm going to miss out next year, I'll just look for more value in other positions, but I think the biggest risk is not starting with that top scoring player.
You are correct, it is usually best to start the best DTer in the competition as captain, and because of this people who start Swan will probably be better off than those who don't. I accept that starting Swan next year is a safer and probably better move than not starting him. Despite this, partly because value for money is always my main consideration when picking players to start or trade in DT, I won't start him next year. Pendlebury only averaged 4 points per game less than Swan in 2011, and if that happens again in 2012 because of the price difference between the two (which will be more than $100k) Pendles will be a better pick.
I'm sure a lot of people think Swan will average significantly more than anyone else again in 2013, but on the other hand, a lot of people didn't start Swan this year because they thought his average would drop, which shows how hard it is to predict what players will average from year to year. Personally I am being cautious with Collingwood's midfield for next year. With Luke Ball and Ben Johnson returning and lots of youngsters pushing for more midfield time I think we will see a significant drop in DT average from one or two of Collingwood's top five DT midfielders, and Swan could well be one of them, especially since he is easily the oldest of the five. Being a specialist midfielder who will be 24 next year, Pendlebury is probably the safest bet as a Collingwood midfielder who should lift his average.
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2012, 02:47:19 AM
Not having him OR Ablett killed me this year.
Lockity lock.
No Swan OR Ablett :o
Quote from: DT87 on September 05, 2012, 11:19:44 PM
Quote from: Possumo on September 03, 2012, 05:33:26 AM
Quote from: DT87 on September 03, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
I won't be starting Swan or GAJ next year, though I started both of them this year and have started Swan in all of the last three seasons. I'll save a fair bit of cash and get younger premiums who are still improving like Pendlebury and Cotchin. I know the idea of Swan having a bad year seems ridiculous, but if that does happen, at his price it will really screw up the DT season of anyone who picks him.
True you might find players who are better value... but the reality is, because of the captain system, every extra point you get from having him over another top mid is of course doubled, so over the season even if Swan only average's 10 more points than the next best player (eg GAJ or perhaps Cotchin), over the season that'll be 20. That's why him and GAJ are worth the premium in price, because you need that dominant captain choice every week or you'll be immediately behind.
I personally haven't every started with Swan in the last 3 seasons, and I've seen how that has hurt my team week in week out. No way I'm going to miss out next year, I'll just look for more value in other positions, but I think the biggest risk is not starting with that top scoring player.
You are correct, it is usually best to start the best DTer in the competition as captain, and because of this people who start Swan will probably be better off than those who don't. I accept that starting Swan next year is a safer and probably better move than not starting him. Despite this, partly because value for money is always my main consideration when picking players to start or trade in DT, I won't start him next year. Pendlebury only averaged 4 points per game less than Swan in 2011, and if that happens again in 2012 because of the price difference between the two (which will be more than $100k) Pendles will be a better pick.
I'm sure a lot of people think Swan will average significantly more than anyone else again in 2013, but on the other hand, a lot of people didn't start Swan this year because they thought his average would drop, which shows how hard it is to predict what players will average from year to year. Personally I am being cautious with Collingwood's midfield for next year. With Luke Ball and Ben Johnson returning and lots of youngsters pushing for more midfield time I think we will see a significant drop in DT average from one or two of Collingwood's top five DT midfielders, and Swan could well be one of them, especially since he is easily the oldest of the five. Being a specialist midfielder who will be 24 next year, Pendlebury is probably the safest bet as a Collingwood midfielder who should lift his average.
I agree that with Ball returning next year something has to give. However, I think it will be sidebottom and to a lesser extent beams whose averages will drop with them having less midfield time and returning to a primarily forward role. I do not think Swan will drop off too much if at all. While pendles may be a better pick in terms of value for money, Swan does not get tagged and as I said earloer isunparalleled in his ability to pick up cheap one twos no matter the situation or opponent. This is why I'll pick him.
Quote from: henry on September 06, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
Quote from: DT87 on September 05, 2012, 11:19:44 PM
Quote from: Possumo on September 03, 2012, 05:33:26 AM
Quote from: DT87 on September 03, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
I won't be starting Swan or GAJ next year, though I started both of them this year and have started Swan in all of the last three seasons. I'll save a fair bit of cash and get younger premiums who are still improving like Pendlebury and Cotchin. I know the idea of Swan having a bad year seems ridiculous, but if that does happen, at his price it will really screw up the DT season of anyone who picks him.
True you might find players who are better value... but the reality is, because of the captain system, every extra point you get from having him over another top mid is of course doubled, so over the season even if Swan only average's 10 more points than the next best player (eg GAJ or perhaps Cotchin), over the season that'll be 20. That's why him and GAJ are worth the premium in price, because you need that dominant captain choice every week or you'll be immediately behind.
I personally haven't every started with Swan in the last 3 seasons, and I've seen how that has hurt my team week in week out. No way I'm going to miss out next year, I'll just look for more value in other positions, but I think the biggest risk is not starting with that top scoring player.
You are correct, it is usually best to start the best DTer in the competition as captain, and because of this people who start Swan will probably be better off than those who don't. I accept that starting Swan next year is a safer and probably better move than not starting him. Despite this, partly because value for money is always my main consideration when picking players to start or trade in DT, I won't start him next year. Pendlebury only averaged 4 points per game less than Swan in 2011, and if that happens again in 2012 because of the price difference between the two (which will be more than $100k) Pendles will be a better pick.
I'm sure a lot of people think Swan will average significantly more than anyone else again in 2013, but on the other hand, a lot of people didn't start Swan this year because they thought his average would drop, which shows how hard it is to predict what players will average from year to year. Personally I am being cautious with Collingwood's midfield for next year. With Luke Ball and Ben Johnson returning and lots of youngsters pushing for more midfield time I think we will see a significant drop in DT average from one or two of Collingwood's top five DT midfielders, and Swan could well be one of them, especially since he is easily the oldest of the five. Being a specialist midfielder who will be 24 next year, Pendlebury is probably the safest bet as a Collingwood midfielder who should lift his average.
I agree that with Ball returning next year something has to give. However, I think it will be sidebottom and to a lesser extent beams whose averages will drop with them having less midfield time and returning to a primarily forward role. I do not think Swan will drop off too much if at all. While pendles may be a better pick in terms of value for money, Swan does not get tagged and as I said earloer isunparalleled in his ability to pick up cheap one twos no matter the situation or opponent. This is why I'll pick him.
Agree with every thing said there ^
But pendles can also handle a tag so I'll be picking both and leaving Beamer and bum out of my starting side (unless DPP)
Quote from: Adamant on September 06, 2012, 12:46:55 AM
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2012, 02:47:19 AM
Not having him OR Ablett killed me this year.
Lockity lock.
No Swan OR Ablett :o
Never had Swan but traded Gaza when he hurt his knee ::)
If your not starting with him just bring him in Anzac day and he will go massive on the bombers...again haha
Just saw this on Twitter :o :o :o
DT Talk @DTTALK
Rumours of Swanny being suspended by the Pies for two weeks sucks for DT. Glass half full; frees up some cash! #AFLFantasy
:o :o :o :o :o :o
Any news on what for?!
and other one
Tyson Beattie @tweetiebeattie
Reports that Dane Swan has been suspended by #collingwood for the first two games of the season @tweetperth @Footy_Nation #afl #perthnews
All good fellas
DT Talk @DTTALK
“@tweetiebeattie: @CollingwoodFC denies rumors of Swan suspension @tweetperth @Footy_Nation breath easy @DTTALK @SuperCoach_HQ #afl†phew
The flower!?
Yeah that was weird! ???
Hope there was nothing behind them :-[
One rumour and all hell breaks loose
would actually be ok news. free up some cash early trade him in round 4.
Quote from: Holzman on March 12, 2013, 03:47:54 PM
would actually be ok news. free up some cash early trade him in round 4.
but you'd have to find the extra cast early to do that, perhaps cash in on rookie after 1 price rise or downgrade a midpricer to a rookie.
Im hoping it happens. Will cross out the casual player in being competitive
Quote from: whatlez on March 12, 2013, 04:04:28 PM
Im hoping it happens. Will cross out the casual player in being competitive
so you'd be crossed out then :P
I hope it happens, wasn't starting him anyway so now don't have the fear os him pulling a 170 while everyone has him captain
Crazy Mexican, any further news?
Quote from: whatlez on March 12, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
Crazy Mexican, any further news?
DT Talk @DTTALK
“@tweetiebeattie: @CollingwoodFC denies rumors of Swan suspension @tweetperth @Footy_Nation breath easy @DTTALK @SuperCoach_HQ #afl†phew
Swan will walk out of the club next year I reckon. :-X
Quote from: Windigo on March 12, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
Swan will walk out of the club next year I reckon. :-X
Was just thinking this, and was thinking it when Richmond was supposedly playing Mummy to Dusty telling him who he could and couldn't hang out with... Is there a point in a player's career when they just get too fed up with the club controlling them that they leave? ???
Quote from: Toga on March 12, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
Quote from: Windigo on March 12, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
Swan will walk out of the club next year I reckon. :-X
Was just thinking this, and was thinking it when Richmond was supposedly playing Mummy to Dusty telling him who he could and couldn't hang out with... Is there a point in a player's career when they just get too fed up with the club controlling them that they leave? ???
swan seems like the sort of guy that would just retire from footy if it gets to much. dusty is still trying to get a career in footy so think he d listen for the time being.
Quote from: Windigo on March 12, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
Swan will walk out of the club next year I reckon. :-X
Wouldn't be surprised mate, Collingwood haven't exactly looked after him re the rumors around drug taking, and there seems to be little love lost between the two. This may be pushing things a bit but I wouldn't be surprised if he gives up on the game enitrely if the rumours don't stop, just from watching him publicly I sense he is sick of them and that there are things that he enjoys more in life and are more important to him than playing footy. Nothing concrete to back up these thoughts though I must stress.