I cant believe how many people have traded Franklin out, he will be out for 3 weeks. In both my leagues more than 50% of the teams have disposed of him. He will turn out to be a unique for me come finals.
I look forward to the many topics/posts with people cursing why they got rid of him.
I think for a lot of people that 3 weeks is vital to them making the finals or not so in that case he had to be traded.
I personally downgraded him to goodes which meant i could bring in a Prem R2 for Giles
Could turn out to be more as I doubt they want to rush Buddy back too soon....
We'll see. I was crucifying people for getting rid of Pendlebury with plans to get him back later, but that hasn't worked out too badly for them so far has it?
Couple of teams in my league are certainties for top 4 and they still offload, to be honest I was shocked.
I think alot of people that went Buddy --> Goodes will regret it. For those that went to Pav you probably will break even in the trade, similar output they will have, but Goodes is going to be a disliked player across Fan Footy after this weekend.
Quote from: FonFatty on July 14, 2012, 01:29:02 AM
Couple of teams in my league are certainties for top 4 and they still offload, to be honest I was shocked.
I think alot of people that went Buddy --> Goodes will regret it. For those that went to Pav you probably will break even in the trade, similar output they will have, but Goodes is going to be a disliked player across Fan Footy after this weekend.
Hmmm big statement.
I agree with you that if you were guarenteed top 4 it's a pretty pointless trade. I think people in that position may be forgetting the dreaded resting players during finals.
Quote from: My Chumps on July 14, 2012, 01:26:29 AM
Could turn out to be more as I doubt they want to rush Buddy back too soon....
We'll see. I was crucifying people for getting rid of Pendlebury with plans to get him back later, but that hasn't worked out too badly for them so far has it?
Buddy hasnt got a cracked tibia, he has got a hamstring injury that will see him back against the cats. They wont be resting Buddy, they have a top 2 position they have to aim for.
I traded Buddy. This is for the same reason Quinny did.
1) Without Franklin's massive 200+ score he is averaging ~110. Don't think Goodes can match this output?
2) His finals are - Port, GC, Syd, WCE. During the semi's and grand you can't expect him to give you a massive score when he is playing quality opposition. If his finals run was more like Adelaide, then he becomes even more valuable.
3) Hamstring injury, still an injury. They rushed him back against GWS for a percentage boost when they didn't need him for that. All they got out of it was an aggravated hammy which has him sidelined for the next 3 crucial matches for Hawks. If they win say 2/3 (depending on other teams as well), and sit more comfortably in the top 4, he may be brought back cautiously as he will be more valuable to them during the finals than the home and away season.
It would be smart holding him but for me downgrading (price wise) the 170k from Buddy->Goodes well out weighs the points difference...
he still got the 236 score and earnt it so why make up an average without that score seeing that most people get him in expecting a double century from him once or twice a year guess i'm saying making up an average without his highest score is pointless
Quote from: The Bomber on July 14, 2012, 01:40:32 AM
I traded Buddy. This is for the same reason Quinny did.
1) Without Franklin's massive 200+ score he is averaging ~110. Don't think Goodes can match this output?
2) His finals are - Port, GC, Syd, WCE. During the semi's and grand you can't expect him to give you a massive score when he is playing quality opposition. If his finals run was more like Adelaide, then he becomes even more valuable.
3) Hamstring injury, still an injury. They rushed him back against GWS for a percentage boost when they didn't need him for that. All they got out of it was an aggravated hammy which has him sidelined for the next 3 crucial matches for Hawks. If they win say 2/3 (depending on other teams as well), and sit more comfortably in the top 4, he may be brought back cautiously as he will be more valuable to them during the finals than the home and away season.
It would be smart holding him but for me downgrading (price wise) the 170k from Buddy->Goodes well out weighs the points difference...
Each to their own, I just think Goodes has past his best.
Im just glad I will have the great man in SC finals and he might be a POD for me against my opposition.
Simple fact is that Goodes will score more than buddy for the remainder of the year because he will play 3 extra games..
I dont know how you can say he is past his best when he scored a 148 last week?
He was in most sides before he was injured and hes at a bargain price.. pretty hard to look past
He's in only 1 team of the 5 I'm playing this week. Pretty surprising.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 14, 2012, 02:13:28 AM
Simple fact is that Goodes will score more than buddy for the remainder of the year because he will play 3 extra games..
I dont know how you can say he is past his best when he scored a 148 last week?
He was in most sides before he was injured and hes at a bargain price.. pretty hard to look past
Hope for your sake you are right.
Not going to debate with you about him, the purpose of this topic was just to state how many teams have got rid of Budweiser, especially for a short term injury.
Quote from: devize on July 14, 2012, 02:34:00 AM
He's in only 1 team of the 5 I'm playing this week. Pretty surprising.
Exactly..
You would think most teams would have cover at this stage of the season.
I have Porplyzia & Saad covering for Bud & Martin.
If the ladder remains the same in one of my leagues, I will be the only 1 in the top 4 with Buddy in my team.
He could be the difference to me having a week off the following week.
Hey keep in mind the #1 ranked team didnt have buddy even before his injury :P
Nah i agree though if your cemented in the top 8 and have cover he should deffinetly be kept
I traded Zaharakis even though trading Buddy gave me 100k. Did i make the right choice?
Quote from: FonFatty on July 14, 2012, 02:42:49 AM
Quote from: devize on July 14, 2012, 02:34:00 AM
He's in only 1 team of the 5 I'm playing this week. Pretty surprising.
Exactly..
You would think most teams would have cover at this stage of the season.
I have Porplyzia & Saad covering for Bud & Martin.
If the ladder remains the same in one of my leagues, I will be the only 1 in the top 4 with Buddy in my team.
He could be the difference to me having a week off the following week.
Yeah I've got Zorko & Hall covering Franklin and Martin this week. If Zorko keeps it up it looks like Martin will be a mid/fwd bench cover once Franklin is back.
Don't forget also that buddy is at 600k+. I wasn't going to trade him, but the extra 150k I got from sideways trading him to goodies allowed me the cash able to finish my team
Kept him since Zorko is doing so well i have been playing Zorko and benching my underperformers so i just play them instead and Treloar covering Martin.
I wouldn't trade franklin just because he is out with a hamstring injury they say he will miss three weeks but come on its buddy he won't miss three probably just 2 8)
Quote from: the flying hawk on July 14, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
I wouldn't trade franklin just because he is out with a hamstring injury they say he will miss three weeks but come on its buddy he won't miss three probably just 2 8)
yea it is a fair chance - there have been many examples of clubs saying a player is out for 4, comes back in 2. who knows really, but trading him would be unique for everyone. if you were copping a zero the goodes trade would absolutely appeal to me.
i kept him as despite having both buddy and martin out, i still have room for emg smedts up forward.
one man, who is saving our bacons - ZORKO what a gun he is good to watch too, just gives and gives for his team. come to essendon mate!
i kept him as despite having both buddy and martin out, i still have room for emg smedts up forward.
one man, who is saving our bacons - ZORKO what a gun he is good to watch too, just gives and gives for his team. come to essendon mate!
[/quote] No chance he will want to be part of our 2014 Premiership
Quote from: Torress on July 14, 2012, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: the flying hawk on July 14, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
I wouldn't trade franklin just because he is out with a hamstring injury they say he will miss three weeks but come on its buddy he won't miss three probably just 2 8)
yea it is a fair chance - there have been many examples of clubs saying a player is out for 4, comes back in 2. who knows really, but trading him would be unique for everyone. if you were copping a zero the goodes trade would absolutely appeal to me.
i kept him as despite having both buddy and martin out, i still have room for emg smedts up forward.
one man, who is saving our bacons - ZORKO what a gun he is good to watch too, just gives and gives for his team. come to essendon mate!
Love the way this bloke goes about it.
How was he missed by recruiters for so many years? Who knows how many more Zorko's there are out there!!
Quote from: the flying hawk on July 14, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
I wouldn't trade franklin just because he is out with a hamstring injury they say he will miss three weeks but come on its buddy he won't miss three probably just 2 8)
That is what I am thinking too.
He even said himself that he will miss 2 weeks when he appeared on ON THE COUCH.
Now the medicos might disagree who knows, but if he is right to go I am sure they will play him.
Remember the hawks are playing for a top 2 spot, they will need all their firepower out there to achieve that goal. If he is right the hawks will play him.
Glad they have traded him out. Wastes one of their trades and means comes finals advantage us who kept him. The number 1 fwd. Why would you trade him out? In some cases they may plan on getting him back but at 600k and x amounts of trades left it has to be frought with danger. Go us!
Quote from: My Chumps on July 14, 2012, 01:26:29 AM
Could turn out to be more as I doubt they want to rush Buddy back too soon....
No chance, it will be 3 weeks max, trust me.
Quote from: kilbluff1995 on July 14, 2012, 01:48:42 AM
he still got the 236 score and earnt it so why make up an average without that score seeing that most people get him in expecting a double century from him once or twice a year guess i'm saying making up an average without his highest score is pointless
Because 236 is an outlier. If Buddy had a round where he scored 20 (maybe got concussed or something) I would have subtracted that round aswell. You can reasonably expect a score from Buddy within say 50-180. Anything outside that range is more than likely an outlier and cannot expect him to produce that sort of score again this season...
i cringed all the way to lock out. traded him out for pav as i already have goodes. was copping a donut in the forward line because of murdoch, sitting outside the top 8 and playing top of the ladder team. im hoping i get through the following rounds without any LTIs as now my teams finished.
if i was top 4 i wouldnt have traded him out but saying that id say only top 2-3 are safe in the 8 in this tough league.
Quotehe still got the 236 score and earnt it so why make up an average without that score seeing that most people get him in expecting a double century from him once or twice a year guess i'm saying making up an average without his highest score is pointless
Because 236 is an outlier. If Buddy had a round where he scored 20 (maybe got concussed or something) I would have subtracted that round aswell. You can reasonably expect a score from Buddy within say 50-180. Anything outside that range is more than likely an outlier and cannot expect him to produce that sort of score again this season...
236 is the reason why you have Buddy. Ridiculous to exclude from average
I traded him out. Not worried about Goodes not matching Franklins output. If Goodes plays all remaining games, expecting nice overall points gain plus the handy $170k to spend elsewhere.
What people seem to be forgetting is the the general may not hit Buddy during the finals as he is having a three week rest now. However Pav & Goodes may be hit.. On eless player to worry about covering.
Quote from: Runnin Scared on July 15, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
What people seem to be forgetting is the the general may not hit Buddy during the finals as he is having a three week rest now. However Pav & Goodes may be hit.. On eless player to worry about covering.
Just gotta worry about covering him for 3 weeks leading up to finals, which are must wins for many...
Quote from: Runnin Scared on July 15, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
What people seem to be forgetting is the the general may not hit Buddy during the finals as he is having a three week rest now. However Pav & Goodes may be hit.. On eless player to worry about covering.
Goodes just had a 5 week break.. and pav wont be missing any footy when freo are part of a tight race for 7th or 8th spot
Reckon Buddy is good enough to keep and fortunately have the luxury of being able to rotate Zorko and C Pearce in and out of mid/for. Under normal circumstances one would be on the bench, so this week Pearce replaces Buddy. Don't agree that Goodes is good value, he scored 148 v Brisbane in Sydney and to me has still to prove his value v top sides since returning from injury. He is valued to risk but not good value. Didn't they say UP to 3 weeks for Buddy's hammy ???
I would be surprised if Buddy was back in 3 weeks. Saw him wednesday at a footy clinic and the guy could bearly walk, I rekon he will be out a lot longer than 3, but I will be holding him at this stage because trades are very low :-[..
Quote from: Cambo on July 15, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
I would be surprised if Buddy was back in 3 weeks. Saw him wednesday at a footy clinic and the guy could bearly walk, I rekon he will be out a lot longer than 3, but I will be holding him at this stage because trades are very low :-[..
Yeah Buddy can barely walk, just seen him on Fox Footy, he was strutting around like he is playing a game tonight.
He might just miss the Collingwood game, I am confident he will line up against the bombers, byy the time that Fri night encounter comes around Buddy would have completed his 3 weeks sidelined with the hammy injury.
But yeah if you say Buddy could barely walk a day ago, he has made a miraculous recovery in a day.
Quote from: FonFatty on July 15, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: Cambo on July 15, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
I would be surprised if Buddy was back in 3 weeks. Saw him wednesday at a footy clinic and the guy could bearly walk, I rekon he will be out a lot longer than 3, but I will be holding him at this stage because trades are very low :-[..
Yeah Buddy can barely walk, just seen him on Fox Footy, he was strutting around like he is playing a game tonight.
He might just miss the Collingwood game, I am confident he will line up against the bombers, byy the time that Fri night encounter comes around Buddy would have completed his 3 weeks sidelined with the hammy injury.
But yeah if you say Buddy could barely walk a day ago, he has made a miraculous recovery in a day.
Mate I would like him to be back (my supercoach team needs him ;D), but from what I and everyone else at the clinic saw, I would be very surprised. He wasnt able to do anything with the kids other than sit and sign autographs. When he hobbled past me, I said you look sore, he just gave a nod.
Im not trolling or lying, just telling you how I saw it with my own eyes. From my supercoach teams view I hope im wrong.....
Well i took a risk this week and didn't trade Buddy but it cost me a league win and now I'm in danger of missing the 8 all together!
After reading the posts above I need to trade him! With 3 rounds left and a chance of not making the 8 there's no point having a player who I'm loosing 120avg points a week.
Is there anyone else in this situation of missing the finals with Buddy in there teams?
Quote from: Cambo on July 15, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
I would be surprised if Buddy was back in 3 weeks. Saw him wednesday at a footy clinic and the guy could bearly walk, I rekon he will be out a lot longer than 3, but I will be holding him at this stage because trades are very low :-[..
Mate, that's coz he'd been barreling all night.
It will only be 3 weeks.
I wonder how the Buddy --> Goodes community are feeling with their masterstroke trading.
I Have 2 trades left and that will be used to trade in either Buddy or Pav.Only 2 out of the top 10 teams overall don't have Buddy
Quote from: FonFatty on July 23, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
I wonder how the Buddy --> Goodes community are feeling with their masterstroke trading.
Pretty good after Buddy sits on the sidelines for another 2 weeks :P
Quote from: quinny88 on July 24, 2012, 01:22:02 AM
Quote from: FonFatty on July 23, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
I wonder how the Buddy --> Goodes community are feeling with their masterstroke trading.
Pretty good after Buddy sits on the sidelines for another 2 weeks :P
Yeah and Goodes scoring less than your rookies on the bench. In a week you will be searching on eBay for a time machine :)
Well I'm one of a few people who traded out buddy but not for Goodes. Traded in PAv and quite happy with his past two weeks although I still lost my league match thanks to dal santo, Selwood and mummy.
I'm hoping buddy will be out for the first week of finals if not oh wells...
He is staying in, watch him come out and pump out 150 in the first week of finals! :)
Quote from: cortez on July 24, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
He is staying in, watch him come out and pump out 150 in the first week of finals! :)
Haha yeah probably! first week of finals my trade will be
A) Broughton > waters/birchall
B) dal santo > Mitchell/swan
C) mummy > Jacobs/cox
D) Martin > Franklin!
Quote from: woofy on July 24, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: cortez on July 24, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
He is staying in, watch him come out and pump out 150 in the first week of finals! :)
Haha yeah probably! first week of finals my trade will be
A) Broughton > waters/birchall
B) dal santo > Mitchell/swan
C) mummy > Jacobs/cox
D) Martin > Franklin!
Have you got a million dollars in the bank? By the time finals come around those trades will be impossible to do.
Quote from: FonFatty on July 24, 2012, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: woofy on July 24, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: cortez on July 24, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
He is staying in, watch him come out and pump out 150 in the first week of finals! :)
Haha yeah probably! first week of finals my trade will be
A) Broughton > waters/birchall
B) dal santo > Mitchell/swan
C) mummy > Jacobs/cox
D) Martin > Franklin!
Have you got a million dollars in the bank? By the time finals come around those trades will be impossible to do.
obviously can't do them all as its only two trades per round :p wont be making any trades next two rounds, should win both league games, have money in the bank and 5 trades left. those potential players getting traded are weakest in all lines.
Quote from: Disco DB on July 23, 2012, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: Cambo on July 15, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
I would be surprised if Buddy was back in 3 weeks. Saw him wednesday at a footy clinic and the guy could bearly walk, I rekon he will be out a lot longer than 3, but I will be holding him at this stage because trades are very low :-[..
Mate, that's coz he'd been barreling all night.
It will only be 3 weeks.
Quote from: FonFatty on July 15, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: Cambo on July 15, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
I would be surprised if Buddy was back in 3 weeks. Saw him wednesday at a footy clinic and the guy could bearly walk, I rekon he will be out a lot longer than 3, but I will be holding him at this stage because trades are very low :-[..
Yeah Buddy can barely walk, just seen him on Fox Footy, he was strutting around like he is playing a game tonight.
He might just miss the Collingwood game, I am confident he will line up against the bombers, byy the time that Fri night encounter comes around Buddy would have completed his 3 weeks sidelined with the hammy injury.
But yeah if you say Buddy could barely walk a day ago, he has made a miraculous recovery in a day.
Surprise, surprise :-*
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
Quote from: Swallow12 on August 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
No one was to know it would drag on so long though.
Glad I did pull the trigger though
Quote from: quinny88 on August 13, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Swallow12 on August 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
No one was to know it would drag on so long though.
Glad I did pull the trigger though
Arrrrr Sorry champ, but read the last couple of pages. After seeing him struggling to walk in person, I said it would be longer than just three weeks. I effectively got laughed at and got negative feedback for my obversation......
Quote from: Cambo on August 13, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 13, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Swallow12 on August 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
No one was to know it would drag on so long though.
Glad I did pull the trigger though
Arrrrr Sorry champ, but read the last couple of pages. After seeing him struggling to walk in person, I said it would be longer than just three weeks. I effectively got laughed at and got negative feedback for my obversation......
Sorry Dr.Cambo. Your medical expertise shouldnt have been questioned.
Quote from: Cambo on August 13, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 13, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Swallow12 on August 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
No one was to know it would drag on so long though.
Glad I did pull the trigger though
Arrrrr Sorry champ, but read the last couple of pages. After seeing him struggling to walk in person, I said it would be longer than just three weeks. I effectively got laughed at and got negative feedback for my obversation......
barely walking is pretty symptomatic of, y'know, someone with a torn hamstring, which would usually take around 3 weeks to heal.
Quote from: quinny88 on August 13, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Cambo on August 13, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 13, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Swallow12 on August 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
No one was to know it would drag on so long though.
Glad I did pull the trigger though
Arrrrr Sorry champ, but read the last couple of pages. After seeing him struggling to walk in person, I said it would be longer than just three weeks. I effectively got laughed at and got negative feedback for my obversation......
Sorry Dr.Cambo. Your medical expertise shouldnt have been questioned.
Thats quite allright but dont let it happen again ;D
Quote from: fever on August 13, 2012, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: Cambo on August 13, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 13, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Swallow12 on August 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Boy were we wrong to mock those that traded him out! Kudos to those that traded him out despite the consensus against it
No one was to know it would drag on so long though.
Glad I did pull the trigger though
Arrrrr Sorry champ, but read the last couple of pages. After seeing him struggling to walk in person, I said it would be longer than just three weeks. I effectively got laughed at and got negative feedback for my obversation......
barely walking is pretty symptomatic of, y'know, someone with a torn hamstring, which would usually take around 3 weeks to heal.
I f i type it slowly will it help. It looked worse than a standard hammy so thats why i said would be longer. Surprise, surprise, I was right ;).
Canbo I see him every other day and he as been walking fine for the last few weeks. No limp at all m8
Quote from: bonebones on August 13, 2012, 11:45:48 PM
Canbo I see him every other day and he as been walking fine for the last few weeks. No limp at all m8
Thats great news Bones. Hopefully he will be back scoreing for my Supercoach team this week 8).
Buddy is yet another example of how there's no "rules" in supercoach. Least of all "never trade a premium unless LTI" what a load of crap. Who comes up with this? I've kept Pendles for 6 weeks when it would have been better to trade him to Watson (who I got later anyway) and then traded him back in as my final mid.
Now Buddy has been gone for 5 at the pointy end of the season and I wish I'd traded him to O'Keefe (who I got later as well) and then MAYBE get Buddy in on return.
Sure alot thought they would both be back sooner, but I had a feeling they wouldn't and should've listened to that.
All those people who traded Buddy and Pendles didn't listen to the "rule" and they're laughing at the rest of us now. Good on those people.
cambo, are you a physio? if not, i would argue that you have zero idea what you're talking about when it comes to determining the severity of a 3wk hamstring compared to a 5wk one.
so you were right, great, but with hamstrings you can't walk properly until you can. simple as that. as a point of reference i've done two, one short 3wk one and one where i missed 10wks after tearing it off the bone and stuffing up my rehab. you cant walk, then all of a sudden you can.