i have just been poring over my plan team and i currently have the following rucks:
Sandilands, Kreuzer (Giles, Stephenson)
would i be crazy to go Kreuzer -> basement ruck leaving me with:
Sandilands, Giles (Stephenson, rookie)
this would give me an extra 250k in the bank to upgrade elsewhere, and i would only lose 10 or so points per week.
down the track, the plan will be to upgrade Giles/Stephenson to a premium
comments would be appreciated
cheers
sorry dude cant b bothered writing it again but check out the thread very impotant poll, and u'll c its not so crazy ;)
Quote from: fattony on January 29, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
this would give me an extra 250k in the bank to upgrade elsewhere, and i would only lose 10 or so points per week.
down the track, the plan will be to upgrade Giles/Stephenson to a premium
Pretty much answers your question
Quote from: TheMailman on January 29, 2012, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: fattony on January 29, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
this would give me an extra 250k in the bank to upgrade elsewhere, and i would only lose 10 or so points per week.
down the track, the plan will be to upgrade Giles/Stephenson to a premium
Pretty much answers your question
not realy u could have an extra 500k if u take a rookie over swan, so thats alot more to it then extra money............... :P
If the rookie would average only 10 points less than Swan then you would do it. I bolded two parts :P
Better off having a rookie mid then ruck IMO opinion. Barlows are not made in the rucks unfortunately having that extra rookie mid could have keeper potential, a rookie ruck rarely does.
Even zac smith one if the better ruck rooks we have had averaged at the low end.
It's not a bad idea but in my opinion there is more safety And upside in picking a prem ruck and rookie mid who you know will play and you know will get posis not just hit outs.
Good luck
As we saw last season with Smith it can work, Ruck rookies can be just a strong as mid ones..
Quote from: Swallow12 on January 29, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
As we saw last season with Smith it can work, Ruck rookies can be just a strong as mid ones..
Although I see your point the stats will disagree with you there.
Zac smith averaged 71 dt 78 sc.
Barlow averaged 110 dt and 116 sc.
I'm comparing them because they are both the best rookie scorers In their respective spots in recent history, you wouldn't mind missing smith last year but you would have been comPletely fvcked if you missed Barlow.
Barlow was an once in a decade player. He isn't going to pop up every year in the form of anybody.
Plus the stat comparison doesn't take age, club and the fact Smith averaged like 50 in the last 6 games of last year
I'm just not a fan of starting a rookie in the ruck department at all, I tried going skinny on rucks a few years ago and it caused me havoc all year trying to fix it. Start two premo's a take your risk elsewhere, plenty of cheap rookie options in def and mid this year.
I've been convinced by the 1 prem ruck n 3 rooks for a while now. I've done a few draft sides and all teams look better with 3 rookie rucks. It's not every season u get 1 let alone 2 rookie rucks guaranteed game time. Y not make the most of the opportunity while it arises. There r a few options for ur 4th ruck spot also
Quote from: miffysp on January 29, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
I've been convinced by the 1 prem ruck n 3 rooks for a while now. I've done a few draft sides and all teams look better with 3 rookie rucks. It's not every season u get 1 let alone 2 rookie rucks guaranteed game time. Y not make the most of the opportunity while it arises. There r a few options for ur 4th ruck spot also
Fair enough, don't forget though Rowe had done his Ac joint so I guess your strategy will depend in that too.
Way too crazy risky for me
Quote from: TheMailman on January 29, 2012, 05:52:39 PM
Barlow was an once in a decade player. He isn't going to pop up every year in the form of anybody.
Plus the stat comparison doesn't take age, club and the fact Smith averaged like 50 in the last 6 games of last year
Ok then let's use a Backman then.
Broughton 87 dt 98 sc
It makes no sense to load up on rook rucks because your just happy if they are playing they are rarely cash cows.
By the way don't forget this is fantasy footy the stats are all that matter
Someone like krooze on the other hand I reckon that's a risk worth taking but not 3 Rook rucks.
Good luck to ya if you go that way though, nothing risked nothing gained as they say
The less you risk, the less you lose ;)
The more you risk ...the more you risk!!..it's more about your confidence in your best team on the park. If the 1st group you check is not your rucks then go with the strategy...if you keep going to rucks 1 st then the strategy is not for you. Surely this strategy means you have an extra premium elsewhere to offset any concerns about rookie rucks.
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 29, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: TheMailman on January 29, 2012, 05:52:39 PM
Barlow was an once in a decade player. He isn't going to pop up every year in the form of anybody.
Plus the stat comparison doesn't take age, club and the fact Smith averaged like 50 in the last 6 games of last year
Ok then let's use a Backman then.
Broughton 87 dt 98 sc
It makes no sense to load up on rook rucks because your just happy if they are playing they are rarely cash cows.
By the way don't forget this is fantasy footy the stats are all that matter
Someone like krooze on the other hand I reckon that's a risk worth taking but not 3 Rook rucks.
Good luck to ya if you go that way though, nothing risked nothing gained as they say
You can look at it another way. A premium mid like Swan avg 120. Cox 107. Drop down a few ranks and you are around 110 points in the Mid's vs 90 in the ruck. Money can be better spent elsewhere on the paddock. The premium rucks you guys are talking about are only averaging 90 points. Not having one is by no means going to land you in trouble too quickly. Having only three Mids avg 110 compared to someone else who has 4 will land you in trouble pretty damn quick.
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 29, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: TheMailman on January 29, 2012, 05:52:39 PM
Barlow was an once in a decade player. He isn't going to pop up every year in the form of anybody.
Plus the stat comparison doesn't take age, club and the fact Smith averaged like 50 in the last 6 games of last year
Ok then let's use a Backman then.
Broughton 87 dt 98 sc
It makes no sense to load up on rook rucks because your just happy if they are playing they are rarely cash cows.
By the way don't forget this is fantasy footy the stats are all that matter
Someone like krooze on the other hand I reckon that's a risk worth taking but not 3 Rook rucks.
Good luck to ya if you go that way though, nothing risked nothing gained as they say
Its better having someone like giles on the field as there rnt a big amount of other players who can take his role at gws compared to say a gws rookie back who will be apart of continuese rotation in nd out the team. So yeah it is probably better to have a rookie you know who will play everyweek compared to one with a bigger chance of missing out every few weeks. game time is points, points is moula ;D
I am taking 1 gun, 1 undervalued gun and 2 rookies. My guns will be reasonably unique though...
Rookie rucks aren't as good as rookie mids. Rookie mids will score you usually between 60-80. Rucks can be anywhere from 30-70...
Smith was different to must tall rookie ruckmen imo.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2012, 09:21:46 PM
I am taking 1 gun, 1 undervalued gun and 2 rookies. My guns will be reasonably unique though...
Rookie rucks aren't as good as rookie mids. Rookie mids will score you usually between 60-80. Rucks can be anywhere from 30-70...
Smith was different to must tall rookie ruckmen imo.
who are you looking at as an undervalued ruckman elephants?
Trent West, I rate him. And please, call me LE :P
Someone like Ivan Maric maybe?
Quote from: TheMailman on January 29, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
The less you risk, the less you lose ;)
or The more you risk,the more you win...
this subject has been done to death,read other posts before starting another on the same thing..
if the money you save is used wisely enough than it could pay off, and if giles is scoring 80+ points you'll look like a hero,,
, if ofcourse big O and giles happen not to play on the same week you may be forced to trade one of them early to avoid a donut
Quote from: matt1985 on January 29, 2012, 09:41:43 PM
Someone like Ivan Maric maybe?
I would class him as a much more risky mid-pricer. Yes he is the number one at the improving tigers but he has no previous history of good scoring. Too risky for mine with Hmac just a little more.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2012, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: matt1985 on January 29, 2012, 09:41:43 PM
Someone like Ivan Maric maybe?
I would class him as a much more risky mid-pricer. Yes he is the number one at the improving tigers but he has no previous history of good scoring. Too risky for mine with Hmac just a little more.
Fair point LE. Just itching for NAB cup so we can see who performs!
Quote from: picker_man on January 29, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 29, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: TheMailman on January 29, 2012, 05:52:39 PM
Barlow was an once in a decade player. He isn't going to pop up every year in the form of anybody.
Plus the stat comparison doesn't take age, club and the fact Smith averaged like 50 in the last 6 games of last year
Ok then let's use a Backman then.
Broughton 87 dt 98 sc
It makes no sense to load up on rook rucks because your just happy if they are playing they are rarely cash cows.
By the way don't forget this is fantasy footy the stats are all that matter
Someone like krooze on the other hand I reckon that's a risk worth taking but not 3 Rook rucks.
Good luck to ya if you go that way though, nothing risked nothing gained as they say
Its better having someone like giles on the field as there rnt a big amount of other players who can take his role at gws compared to say a gws rookie back who will be apart of continuese rotation in nd out the team. So yeah it is probably better to have a rookie you know who will play everyweek compared to one with a bigger chance of missing out every few weeks. game time is points, points is moula ;D
Fair point, personally Im staying away from most gws rooks as they will be terrible like GC last year and it effexted there scores. Giles obviously is the standout in terms of game time as you say